In my opinion......

[HBF]

Carlton need to take a leaf out of St.kilda's book from a few years ago and make some hard decisions. By that, they need to sit down and work out who is untradable, and then through every other player up as a trade option.

By this, they need to ask themselves one simple question. Who can take Carlton back into the finals?

I've taken the liberty of creating what is a very small list of players that SHOULD not be offered as trade bait. They are:

Walker
Livingston
French
Teague
Stevens
Fevola
Bryan
Waite
Thornton
Koutoufides
And all the kids from last years draft: Russell, Hartlett, Blackwell and Raso.

Every one else is up for "sale". We need as many first and second round picks as we can get our hands on. It may be tough, but at Carlton, lets be honest, we don't exactly have a history of making hard decisions!!

 

[gandaal]

Why does everyone seem to forget that Betts was picked up in last years draft too?

I'd add Houlihan, Betts, Deluca and Fisher to that list.

 

[HBF]

Why does everyone seem to forget that Betts was picked up in last years draft too?

I'd add Houlihan, Betts, Deluca and Fisher to that list.

Gandaal, I didn't forget, perhaps I should have mentioned that the kids who were drafted in last years Nat. Draft.

Houlihan - has good skills, but turns the ball over way too much. Doesn't know what a hard ball get is. Time for hime to go.

Betts - the unluckiest of the 4 you've named. Falls in the category of you have to give to get - remember, lets start making some tough decisions.

Deluca - Tall yes, but gets pushed off the ball way too easy for a big man. Chris Bryan has gone way past him.

Fisher - unlucky, but lets see put his name their and see what we can get for him.

 

[big_sav]

Why does everyone seem to forget that Betts was picked up in last years draft too?

I'd add Houlihan, Betts, Deluca and Fisher to that list.

not sure that houlihan & deluca should be on that list. mainly deluca

houlihan i recon will be a very good player in a good team and in years to come when we have a team which will be up the ladder he could be a great player. good skills just a bit soft

with deluca i just cant see him being in a premiership team and im not sure if a team would want him for trade. he will prob stay on our list for 2-3 years but he wont be there when we raise the premiership cup (not the wisser cup or now the NAB cup)

 

[blues4flag]

I'd also add the players mentioned above, but Deluca is on shaky ground. Am suprised that Carrazzo hasn't been mentioned.

Other certainties:
Lappin (Consistently in our best)
Campo (Would like him to finish his career at Carlton)
Scotland (Hasn't had the best season, but he did show great form last year, and was our leading possession winner against West Coast even though he played less than half the game)

Also Simpson might be given one more year, and maybe one or two others, simply because we can't change our whole team in one season.

 

[gandaal]

Gandaal, I didn't forget, perhaps I should have mentioned that the kids who were drafted in last years Nat. Draft.

Houlihan - has good skills, but turns the ball over way too much. Doesn't know what a hard ball get is. Time for hime to go.

Betts - the unluckiest of the 4 you've named. Falls in the category of you have to give to get - remember, lets start making some tough decisions.

Deluca - Tall yes, but gets pushed off the ball way too easy for a big man. Chris Bryan has gone way past him.

Fisher - unlucky, but lets see put his name their and see what we can get for him.

Betts- Because a 19 year old kid doesn't dominate in his first year lets get rid of him, even if he's shown more than the other draftee's combined minus Bryan.

Deluca- We need spare ruckman, everyone needs at least three or four ruckman on their list. For that reason alone he's a must keep. He needs to beef up but that's hardly a permanent problem.

Fisher- We'd get nothing for Fisher, nothing of value anyway, and your deluded if you think otherwise. He's got a lot of potential and he hasn't had any opportunity to show it so far this year.

Houlihan- He's a skillful player and I can count on one hand how many skillful players we have in our side. In our situation we'd have to be insane to trade him.

 

[gandaal]

I'd also add the players mentioned above. Am suprised that Carrazzo hasn't been mentioned.

Other certainties:
Lappin (Consistently in our best)
Campo (Would like him to finish his career at Carlton)
Scotland (Hasn't had the best season, but he did show great form last year, and was our leading possession winner against West Coast even though he played less than half the game)

Also Simpson might be given one more year, and maybe one or two others, simply because we can't change our whole team in one season.

I knew I'd forgotten one or two. Carrazzo, Lappin and Campo are definate must keeps. Scotland I'm less keen on but I'd definately keep him for depth, the same goes for Johnson.

 

[blues4flag]

Houlihan- He's a skillful player and I can count on one hand how many skillful players we have in our side. In our situation we'd have to be insane to trade him.

Agree, he might be soft but he is very classy.

 

[HBF]

Gandaal & Blues4flag, I take your points on board as you are both passionate Carlton supporters, just like me.

I will concede one omission and that is Carazzo. He should not be traded. However, my original question is: Who can take Carlton back into the finals?

Lappin - Yes
Campo - Yes
Scotland - Yes
Betts - Maybe
DeLuca - No
Fisher - No
Houlihan - No

Gandaal, I would hardly call Betts "dominating" in his first year. Sure he's shown some promise, and i'm not saying for one minute that we'll trade him, BUT, come trade week, why not through Lappins name in the ring and see what we could get for him. If we don't like it, then don't take it.

But, if we a top 4 club were willing to part with their first pick and a player and first 2 picks, why not consider it.

 

[HBF]

Gandaal & Blues4flag, I take your points on board as you are both passionate Carlton supporters, just like me.

I will concede one omission and that is Carazzo. He should not be traded. However, my original question is: Who can take Carlton back into the finals?

Lappin - Yes
Campo - Yes
Scotland - Yes
Betts - Maybe
DeLuca - No
Fisher - No
Houlihan - No

Gandaal, I would hardly call Betts "dominating" in his first year. Sure he's shown some promise, and i'm not saying for one minute that we'll trade him, BUT, come trade week, why not through Lappins name in the ring and see what we could get for him. If we don't like it, then don't take it.

But, if we a top 4 club were willing to part with their first pick and a player and first 2 picks, why not consider it.

Oops, that should say: But, if a top 4 club were willing to part with their first pick and young player OR their first 2 picks, why not consider it??

 

[gandaal]

Gandaal, I would hardly call Betts "dominating" in his first year. Sure he's shown some promise, and i'm not saying for one minute that we'll trade him, BUT, come trade week, why not through Lappins name in the ring and see what we could get for him. If we don't like it, then don't take it.

Read my post about Betts again, carefully this time.

You don't throw your top players up as trade bait unless they really want to go or they've had a few bad year. No club would do that, it sends a horrible message to the player group.

 

[Muji]

what about young bentick? i mean you can't just delist/trade without even playing ffs..

 

[gandaal]

what about young bentick? i mean you can't just delist/trade without even playing ffs..

Too slow, too weak, average skills, not (footy) smart enough.

Hope I'm wrong about it but that's my assessment at this point.

 

[Teagson]

I've taken the liberty of creating what is a very small list of players that SHOULD not be offered as trade bait. They are:

Walker
Livingston
French
Teague
Stevens
Fevola
Bryan
Waite
Thornton
Koutoufides
And all the kids from last years draft: Russell, Hartlett, Blackwell and Raso.

I agree with the inclusion of Carrazzo of course.

I have a feeling Scotland, Prendergast, De Luca, and McGrath will stay though. We just don't have the depth to easily throw them away, plus we would sorely miss De Luca's and Prenda's height.

I believe we're all being somewhat harsh on Whitnall. He hasn't played too badly this year, it's just that we're expecting the 1999/2000/01 type seasons from him. Trouble is, the midfield never can get their hands on the ball!

Houlihan's class makes him a possible trade bait as well.

 

[blues4flag]

I agree with the inclusion of Carrazzo of course.

I have a feeling Scotland, Prendergast, De Luca, and McGrath will stay though. We just don't have the depth to easily throw them away, plus we would sorely miss De Luca's and Prenda's height.

I believe we're all being somewhat harsh on Whitnall. He hasn't played too badly this year, it's just that we're expecting the 1999/2000/01 type seasons from him. Trouble is, the midfield never can get their hands on the ball!

Houlihan's class makes him a possible trade bait as well.

Yeh, but Whitnall can be good trade bait. There's no point trading guys like Prenda or Wiggins, because we won't get nothing for them.

 

[Teagson]

Yeh, but Whitnall can be good trade bait. There's no point trading guys like Prenda or Wiggins, because we won't get nothing for them.

I personally think we have a good forward line - there isn't much reason to alter it really. Fevola, Waite, Whitnall, Fisher (When he returns), Lappin (on the odd occassion), Betts, and possibly Longmuir (If he ever starts to do something) isn't exactly the weakest forward line out there.

The real trouble is in our midfield.

Plus it would be handy to find a nice backman ala the Chad Cornes or Mal Michael mould, and a real ruckman. (Not some fill-in like De Luca or Prenda)

I'm not asking for much am I?

 

[its just sporn mum]

ridiculous to have kouta's name in there or even campo. theyre loyal servants to the club. SHOW SOME RESPECT.

 

[blangerang]

this is my opinion on who should go or stay at the end of this season

Jordan Bannister - delist/trade
Adam Bentick - keep
Eddie Betts - keep
Luke Blackwell - keep
Glenn Bowyer - Delist
Chris Bryan - Keep
Scott Camporeale - Keep on a reduced contract
Andrew Carrazzo - Keep
Callum Chambers - Stuck with him for another year try and trade for a pick
David Clarke - Flush down a toilet
Justin Davies - keep
Adrian Deluca - keep unless we promote batson
Brendan Fevola - Keep
Brad Fisher - Keep
Barnaby French - Keep
Adam Hartlett - Keep
Ryan Houlihan - Trade
Bret Johnson - Trade
Anthony Koutoufides - Keep
Matthew Lappin - Keep
Luke Livingston - Keep
Troy Longmuir - same as chambers
Cory Mcgrath - trade
Digby Morell - Keep
Karl Norman - Keep
Ian Prendergast - trade/delist
Anthony Raso - keep
Jordan Russel - Keep
Heath Scotland - Keep
Kade Simpson - Keep
Trent Sporn - Delist
Nick Stevens - Keep
David Teague - Keep
Bret Thornton - Keep
Jarrad Waite - Keep
Andrew Walker - Keep
Lance Whitnall - if the story is true that tredrea wants to go back to melbourne then lance and also camporeale could be a trade deal not that port would want that theyd demand either pick 1/3.. if its not true then keep
Simon Wiggins - Delist

Setanta O'hAilpin - Keep and promote
Sam Pleming - Delist
Nick Becker - Keep on rookies one more year
Aisake O'hAilpin - Keep on rookies
Daniel Batson - Keep and Promote
Jesse D Smith - Keep and Promote

well thats what i think what about you all

 

[LordLucifer]

this is my opinion on who should go or stay at the end of this season

Jordan Bannister - delist/trade
Adam Bentick - keep
Eddie Betts - keep
Luke Blackwell - keep
Glenn Bowyer - Delist
Chris Bryan - Keep
Scott Camporeale - Keep on a reduced contract
Andrew Carrazzo - Keep
Callum Chambers - Stuck with him for another year try and trade for a pick
David Clarke - Flush down a toilet
Justin Davies - keep
Adrian Deluca - keep unless we promote batson
Brendan Fevola - Keep
Brad Fisher - Keep
Barnaby French - Keep
Adam Hartlett - Keep
Ryan Houlihan - Trade
Bret Johnson - Trade
Anthony Koutoufides - Keep
Matthew Lappin - Keep
Luke Livingston - Keep
Troy Longmuir - same as chambers
Cory Mcgrath - trade
Digby Morell - Keep
Karl Norman - Keep
Ian Prendergast - trade/delist
Anthony Raso - keep
Jordan Russel - Keep
Heath Scotland - Keep
Kade Simpson - Keep
Trent Sporn - Delist
Nick Stevens - Keep
David Teague - Keep
Bret Thornton - Keep
Jarrad Waite - Keep
Andrew Walker - Keep
Lance Whitnall - if the story is true that tredrea wants to go back to melbourne then lance and also camporeale could be a trade deal not that port would want that theyd demand either pick 1/3.. if its not true then keep
Simon Wiggins - Delist

Setanta O'hAilpin - Keep and promote
Sam Pleming - Delist
Nick Becker - Keep on rookies one more year
Aisake O'hAilpin - Keep on rookies
Daniel Batson - Keep and Promote
Jesse D Smith - Keep and Promote

well thats what i think what about you all

What drugs are you on mate ??????????

We are stone motherless last and a complete rabble and you want to retain 25 players from the list ????? I think it should be get rid of 25 players, not keep them.

To improve the list you have to make sacrifices so there will be casualties. Holding on to players like Digby Morrell is a backward step, Justin Davies has had his chances (I like the bloke too), Cory McGrath is a nothing player etc etc etc.

Ruthlessness is what is needed at the end of the year, not sentimentality.

Swing the axe, swing it goddam hard too. If you prune a bush hard, it will then be able to show some solid growth and flower in time. same principle applies to our playing list, it's shyte for a reason so we have to clean it up for a reason.

 

[mojo31]

What drugs are you on mate ??????????

We are stone motherless last and a complete rabble and you want to retain 25 players from the list ????? I think it should be get rid of 25 players, not keep them.

To improve the list you have to make sacrifices so there will be casualties. Holding on to players like Digby Morrell is a backward step, Justin Davies has had his chances (I like the bloke too), Cory McGrath is a nothing player etc etc etc.

Ruthlessness is what is needed at the end of the year, not sentimentality.

Swing the axe, swing it goddam hard too. If you prune a bush hard, it will then be able to show some solid growth and flower in time. same principle applies to our playing list, it's shyte for a reason so we have to clean it up for a reason.

Are you for real?

How many changes can we make. Are we going to get 15 teenagers from the draft?
We get a priority pick and rounds 1 to 5. That gives us 6 players. Then there is the rookie draft where we will get 2 or 3.
Becker, Setanta and Smith will be promoted to the senior list.
6 from the draft with 1 being a rookie and 3 from the rookie draft. Aisake and Batson kept on as rookies.
The necessasry players will have to be cut to make way for the draftees.
PSD we hopefully can get someone decent.
Houlihan and Whitnall might be looked at for some more picks.

Seems that we will cut between 8 and 10 players at the end of the year.
I would keep Davies as he is still young enough to improve. DeLuca I would keep as a backup. Sporn, Clarke, Bowyer, Wiggins, Morrell I would definitely get rid of.

 

[Snoozer]

Everything in this day and age has a pricetag. Fair enough Camporeale has been a great servant of the club, and playing at one club your whole career might a great achievement, but he is well past his best and he is not the type of player that can take us into the next great era. He should be shopped around.... then if the right offer doesn't come along, then we keep him. It's the same with any player on any list in the AFL... even if they are one of the better players.

Carlton should bargain with either of the Adelaide clubs and try get a top 10 pick or a younger guy with a bit of a future, and send 'dirty sanchez' back to Adelaide.

 

[surpstar]

Swing the axe, swing it goddam hard too. If you prune a bush hard, it will then be able to show some solid growth and flower in time. same principle applies to our playing list, it's shyte for a reason so we have to clean it up for a reason.[/QUOTE]

You're the Man !! Spot on..

Hard axes need to be weilded.. our patch up job with recycled players has not worked (barring Teague)

 

[HBF]

What drugs are you on mate ??????????

We are stone motherless last and a complete rabble and you want to retain 25 players from the list ????? I think it should be get rid of 25 players, not keep them.

To improve the list you have to make sacrifices so there will be casualties. Holding on to players like Digby Morrell is a backward step, Justin Davies has had his chances (I like the bloke too), Cory McGrath is a nothing player etc etc etc.

Ruthlessness is what is needed at the end of the year, not sentimentality.

Swing the axe, swing it goddam hard too. If you prune a bush hard, it will then be able to show some solid growth and flower in time. same principle applies to our playing list, it's shyte for a reason so we have to clean it up for a reason.

Amen!!