Game Day In the event of a draw...

[Bunk Moreland]

So the AFL have confirmed the arrangements for a draw on Saturday. Pretty standard stuff


I actually have two questions about the possibility of scores being tied at the end of extra time.

1) It’s next score wins. Huh? Shouldn’t it be next goal wins? I mean, the object of the game is to kick goals. Should it really be decided by a punch through for a behind from a ruck or marking contest, or a rugby style play to just push it over the line? We have the deliberate behind rule now, so you can’t just rush behinds and get a kick out.

Otherwise, why not just play another round of extra time, like basketball does? What’s the hurry? What’s another 10 mins of play?

2) The siren won’t sound? Play will just continue until there’s a score? WTF??? How would this work at the ground? There’s no countdown clocks on the scoreboard. How would players and the crowd know time is up and it’s switched to “next score wins”??

Surely the bell should go, everybody knows what’s going on, then the umpire balls it up to play golden point - the ball-up can occur in the centre, or just where play stopped at the siren.

Example - the ball’s deep in a forward line... all the attacking team needs to do is punch it through among what would probably be 36 players on the ball. Yet they don’t even know so are trying to get it clear for a kick?

It sounds like a recipe for disaster. How could a flag be decided in this manner? Haven’t the AFL considered the possibilities?

What am I missing...

 

[Furn2]

If there's 10 seconds left a point wins it.

Or if scores are even after the siren a point wins it.

A point wins the Superbowl, it's wins the NRL.

 

[Schauermann]

1) It’s next score wins. Huh? Shouldn’t it be next goal wins? I mean, the object of the game is to kick goals. Should it really be decided by a punch through for a behind from a ruck or marking contest, or a rugby style play to just push it over the line? We have the deliberate behind rule now, so you can’t just rush behinds and get a kick out.

A game can be decided by a point without extra time as well...

 

[FootyJunkie]

Agree that the seamless golden point ruling is dumb af, no matter how unlikely it is to happen... typical Amateur Football League

Siren should sound, 5min break, then golden goal starting from the center.... behinds are not registered at all

Or goal kicking shootout from all the forwards from different points within the 50m arc... world cup style... drama would be massive.... I actually wouldn't mind seeing this trialled for home and away for one season (immediately after 4 quarters, no extra time) just to see if it would be well received or not

 

[joeyavalanche]

So the AFL have confirmed the arrangements for a draw on Saturday. Pretty standard stuff


I actually have two questions about the possibility of scores being tied at the end of extra time.

1) It’s next score wins. Huh? Shouldn’t it be next goal wins? I mean, the object of the game is to kick goals. Should it really be decided by a punch through for a behind from a ruck or marking contest, or a rugby style play to just push it over the line? We have the deliberate behind rule now, so you can’t just rush behinds and get a kick out.

Otherwise, why not just play another round of extra time, like basketball does? What’s the hurry? What’s another 10 mins of play?

2) The siren won’t sound? Play will just continue until there’s a score? WTF??? How would this work at the ground? There’s no countdown clocks on the scoreboard. How would players and the crowd know time is up and it’s switched to “next score wins”??

Surely the bell should go, everybody knows what’s going on, then the umpire balls it up to play golden point - the ball-up can occur in the centre, or just where play stopped at the siren.

Example - the ball’s deep in a forward line... all the attacking team needs to do is punch it through among what would probably be 36 players on the ball. Yet they don’t even know so are trying to get it clear for a kick?

It sounds like a recipe for disaster. How could a flag be decided in this manner? Haven’t the AFL considered the possibilities?

What am I missing...

It’s true. Holes in this setup 100%

 

[10571z]

I hope my team is never part of this I couldn’t handle it

 

[Big_Birdy]

Only the AFL could stuff up something so easy to get right.

Surely the siren has the sound to let players know its into golden point time?

 

[jmac91]

sirengate will happen knowing the AFL

 

[HTT]

Players aren’t dumb. They’re not going to rush a behind in ET with scores level. Did you see the Port v WC final last year? One player (can’t remember who) smashed into the point post to get the ball out rather than through the points. There’s going to be less than 5min left. Plus there’ll be runners out there making sure of it.

 

[Demonic Ascent]

A game can be decided by a point without extra time as well...

Barry Breen likes this

 

[Billy ray]

Instead of blowing siren at end of ET if scores level, BT will go onto field for Roaming Brian live during the cut throat golden point period. Players will then know

 

[Final Siren]

So the AFL have confirmed the arrangements for a draw on Saturday. Pretty standard stuff


I actually have two questions about the possibility of scores being tied at the end of extra time.

1) It’s next score wins. Huh? Shouldn’t it be next goal wins? I mean, the object of the game is to kick goals. Should it really be decided by a punch through for a behind from a ruck or marking contest, or a rugby style play to just push it over the line? We have the deliberate behind rule now, so you can’t just rush behinds and get a kick out.

Otherwise, why not just play another round of extra time, like basketball does? What’s the hurry? What’s another 10 mins of play?

2) The siren won’t sound? Play will just continue until there’s a score? WTF??? How would this work at the ground? There’s no countdown clocks on the scoreboard. How would players and the crowd know time is up and it’s switched to “next score wins”??

Surely the bell should go, everybody knows what’s going on, then the umpire balls it up to play golden point - the ball-up can occur in the centre, or just where play stopped at the siren.

Example - the ball’s deep in a forward line... all the attacking team needs to do is punch it through among what would probably be 36 players on the ball. Yet they don’t even know so are trying to get it clear for a kick?

It sounds like a recipe for disaster. How could a flag be decided in this manner? Haven’t the AFL considered the possibilities?

What am I missing...

Your idea has more potential for farce, I reckon. It would mean a team can be taking a shot for goal deep in extra time to win the match, but no, whoops, the bell went, so that doesn't count, we have to stop play and ball it up first, and NOW any score will win.

As mentioned by others, you can win the game before the siren by punching the ball through for a point, so I'm not sure why that's suddenly unacceptable after extra time.

 

[FootyJunkie]

Your idea has more potential for farce, I reckon. It would mean a team can be taking a shot for goal deep in extra time to win the match, but no, whoops, the bell went, so that doesn't count, we have to stop play and ball it up first, and NOW any score will win.

As mentioned by others, you can win the game before the siren by punching the ball through for a point, so I'm not sure why that's suddenly unacceptable after extra time.

If we are going for a "golden" score to decide the flag, make it a goal instead of a shitty behind... there would be no clock for a golden score period, so no need to rush a decision with a behind. Do it properly with a goal

 

[didaksrightfoot]

If we are going for a "golden" score to decide the flag, make it a goal instead of a shitty behind... there would be no clock for a golden score period, so no need to rush a decision with a behind. Do it properly with a goal

No. A winning score is a winning score.
Say it was tied scores, clock winding down, and Collingwood have the ball in the defensive goal square. 1sec left you can't rush (because you'd lose), but suddenly 2 seconds later you can? Thats farcical.
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I hate the above plan from the AFL.
Personally I liked the Draw and Replay. It is one of the unique aspects of the AFL I am actually a fan of. It lets both teams regroup, makes a ton of money for the AFL, and allowed for fans the chance to see the game. But I can see how it dragged on, and why its not a preferred choice anymore.

But if you are deciding to go down the extra time route (which I don't like - because it advantages the fitter, not necessarily better, team - see Collingwood completely overunning the Eagles in 07 ET) - why play this farcical "next score wins" shit. Just repeat Extra time periods until you get a winner.

 

[Jpw22511]

Should be replayed so we can see both teams TOMBSTONED the next week.

 

[loki04]

I must be one of the few who loved the GF replay and its uniqueness to our game.

 

[Brad Goodman]

Collingwood and West Coast have a bit of history drawing finals...

 

[PerthBoy86]

Just keep going with extra periods until a team gets ahead when the siren goes. Eventually one team will win. Will heighten the tension. The whole golden goal/point thing has too much potential for a stuff up. Plus we've had enough drama involving the umpires..

 

[PerthBoy86]

I must be one of the few who loved the GF replay and its uniqueness to our game.

Would you be okay if the GF replay was at Optus? That's one gf replay I wouldn't mind at all lol.

 

[Plugger35]

I must be one of the few who loved the GF replay and its uniqueness to our game.

I'm sure Collingwood supporters loved the replay back in 2010, Saints supporters not so much, it was a massive anti-climax after the epic GF the week before.

Much better that the GF is decided on the day and not a week later but it should be extra time or golden goal rather than golden point for a drawn game.

 

[loki04]

I'm sure Collingwood supporters loved the replay back in 2010, Saints supporters not so much, it was a massive anti-climax after the epic GF the week before.

Much better that the GF is decided on the day and not a week later but it should be extra time or golden goal rather than golden point for a drawn game.

Nah mate would still love it (the replay over extra time) even if we lost like we did vs North in 77 by 27 points (not that I was alive but still as a club we have been on both ends).

There was a massive build up to 2nd GF in 2010 and imo having 2 teams recoup and come back for another crack is great rather then 2 exhausted teams playing extra time for 10 mins then golden point..

 

[Final Siren]

If we are going for a "golden" score to decide the flag, make it a goal instead of a shitty behind... there would be no clock for a golden score period, so no need to rush a decision with a behind. Do it properly with a goal

It's a situation where the game just needs a result -- you've already played 4 quarters plus 2 extra time periods. With "golden goal" rules, both teams should go ultra-defensive and run/punch through any attack that looks even vaguely dangerous. You could get 10 or 20 minutes of teams rushing behinds, which is kind of ridiculous.

 

[HTT]

It's a situation where the game just needs a result -- you've already played 4 quarters plus 2 extra time periods. With "golden goal" rules, both teams should go ultra-defensive and run/punch through any attack that looks even vaguely dangerous. You could get 10 or 20 minutes of teams rushing behinds, which is kind of ridiculous.

Then inevitably a deliberate rushed behind will be paid up one end that wasn’t at the other end and it will just be a shit show.

The only issue I have with golden point is the chance of a team having a massive breeze going their way - but that’s virtually never going to happen at the G anyway.

 

[FootyJunkie]

No. A winning score is a winning score.
Say it was tied scores, clock winding down, and Collingwood have the ball in the defensive goal square. 1sec left you can't rush (because you'd lose), but suddenly 2 seconds later you can? Thats farcical.
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I hate the above plan from the AFL.
Personally I liked the Draw and Replay. It is one of the unique aspects of the AFL I am actually a fan of. It lets both teams regroup, makes a ton of money for the AFL, and allowed for fans the chance to see the game. But I can see how it dragged on, and why its not a preferred choice anymore.

But if you are deciding to go down the extra time route (which I don't like - because it advantages the fitter, not necessarily better, team - see Collingwood completely overunning the Eagles in 07 ET) - why play this farcical "next score wins" shit. Just repeat Extra time periods until you get a winner.

I do see your point about defensive rushed behinds...

Perhaps a "golden 6" rule as a compromise, first side to score 6 or more points wins... (so 6 behinds, as crap as it sounds yet unlikely, would win you the flag)

The official rule regarding extra time before the recent change was that extra time 5min each way periods would keep being played until there was a winner, with siren being sounded for each half... none of this seamless golden score bs they have come up with now

 

[iluvparis]

Am lel-ing at all the nuffies on here that are complaining about the rules the AFL has come up with and then arguing that only a goal should account once the next score wins.

FMD a point has been an acceptable/winning score for the 150 year history of the game - why would you suddenly change the rules in this one instance