In their prime who is the better player, Goodes vs Judd?

In their prime who do you think was the better player, Goodes or Judd?

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Though Goodes had something special, his marking, agility, strength, and goal kicking ability.

One thing that has always let down Judd is his ability to kick straight.
Goodes but only by a margian, dual Brownlow Medallists.
 

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I think Goodes at his absolute best is better and more damaging than any other player in the competition bar maybe Pavlich.

But I assume by in their prime you mean which player was better in their best season(s). With that in mind I'd go for Judd as his best years have been more consistent than Goodes'.
 

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Though Goodes had something special, his marking, agility, strength, and goal kicking ability.

One thing that has always let down Judd is his ability to kick straight.
Goodes but only by a margian, dual Brownlow Medallists.
dual 'best midfielder that doesn't backchat in the opinion of the umpires' award is not a fit argument in my opinion

i am open toward hearing why goodes is better in his prime though, but seriously, why do we view the brownlow as the be all and end all, when really if the glitz and glamour of it is shred, it's really just an award best fitted by my description in apostrophes above? other awards are more fitting in my opinion.

for **** sakes, we are talking about the opinion of the UMPIRES
 

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dual 'best midfielder that doesn't backchat in the opinion of the umpires' award is not a fit argument in my opinion

i am open toward hearing why goodes is better in his prime though, but seriously, why do we view the brownlow as the be all and end all, when really if the glitz and glamour of it is shred, it's really just an award best fitted by my description in apostrophes above? other awards are more fitting in my opinion.

for **** sakes, we are talking about the opinion of the UMPIRES
People will view it favourably when it suits them, just like the All Australian team. If their player(s) don't make it, then it's a crock, if they do, then everyone complaining is just jealous. ;)
 

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dual 'best midfielder that doesn't backchat in the opinion of the umpires' award is not a fit argument in my opinion

i am open toward hearing why goodes is better in his prime though, but seriously, why do we view the brownlow as the be all and end all, when really if the glitz and glamour of it is shred, it's really just an award best fitted by my description in apostrophes above? other awards are more fitting in my opinion.

for **** sakes, we are talking about the opinion of the UMPIRES
Umpires have a closer view and a more impartial point then we ever will.
Every Brownlow winner has been deserving as it is based on that individual game and not a winner of the round. Its a great system, and is hence why Goodes has won 2. When a Port player wins one, come talk to me.
 

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Umpires have a closer view and a more impartial point then we ever will.
Every Brownlow winner has been deserving as it is based on that individual game and not a winner of the round. Its a great system, and is hence why Goodes has won 2. When a Port player wins one, come talk to me.
Strange that the brownlow system has come up with a few clangers in recent years.

Ablett >>>>>>>>>>>>> Cooney
Anyone of 5 >>>>>>>>>>>>> Woewoeful
 

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Yes, but the system works in a way that doesnt compete a player against a player.

It votes on the individual game, Ablett might of got 45 possessions and cooney gets 28. But both will get 3 votes. Next game Cooney might get 29 and Ablett gets 31 but Pods kicks 6 and gets the 3 votes instead of Ablett.

Do a degree sometimes the best player doesnt win, but it just means the other player could of been in some luck in the team he played with.

But neither of Goodes Brownlow wins were undeserving.
 

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In their prime didn't Goodes and Judd go head-to-head in the midfield?

I thought their battles just about broke even.

As pure midfielder, I'd have Judd marginally ahead... but the fact Goodes can play KP forward and has won a Brownlow as a ruckman puts him ahead.
 

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In their prime didn't Goodes and Judd go head-to-head in the midfield?

I thought their battles just about broke even.

As pure midfielder, I'd have Judd marginally ahead... but the fact Goodes can play KP forward and has won a Brownlow as a ruckman puts him ahead.
Yeah, I think they went head to head once in one of the finals in 05/06, from memory they both dominated and were best on ground for their respective teams.
 

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Umpires have a closer view and a more impartial point then we ever will.
Every Brownlow winner has been deserving as it is based on that individual game and not a winner of the round. Its a great system, and is hence why Goodes has won 2. When a Port player wins one, come talk to me.
It would be even worse if the brownlow was judged by the public, just look at the shockers that have won goal of the year for example. Great goals, but best?

Opposition coaches or opposition players are a better judge than umpires, hence why in my opinion these awards are more meaningful - they just don't have the history, glitz and glamour that the brownlow has. Umpires impartial? Is that why a key forward never wins one in contemporary football? Everyone knows that umpires are partial against those that backchat. I don't see the point of comparing umpires to the football public. That's like saying kyle sandilands is a better judge of musical talent than a chimp - big deal.

How many AA years has goodes had? How about the guys that have had 6+? Oh wait, goodes has more brownlows than them so he must automatically be better. What about all the superstars and legends that never won a brownlow? Look at the whole picture, not solely an award judged by umpires.

Yes, whoever wins the brownlow deserves it, but how can you outrightly say that the winner is most definitely the best player of that year? In my opinion, the brownlow can be narrowed down to about 5 players each year, and the one that wins deserves it and had the luck of the umpires go his way.

Would anyone argue if Ablett won the brownlow in 07/08/09, given he was the favourite before each count? Ablett would be a deserving triple brownlow medallist, but the umpires didn't see it that way in 07 and 08. Big deal, he was still the best midfielder (or amongst the top handful of best midfielders deserving the award) in each of those years. Just because the umpires didn't see it that way shouldn't change opinion.
 

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At their best it's Goodes. I think that's a big part of why Goodes is rated so highly. At his best he is arguably THE best (maybe Franklin ahead).

Consistency over 22 rounds is what lets him down so in regards to this thread it would probably be Judd. Judd was a gun for about 4 years straight at WC. Goodes has gone up and down a bit but it's his absolute best that ranks him with guys like Judd. Both champions but Judd gets him for consistency which is pretty important.
 

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I'll admit, I've only taken interest against my own team and on that I'd say Goodes. Judd has never been the sole reason we've lost to Carlton, not that we lose to them all that much anyway, where as Goodes was the sole reason we lost twice to Sydney. When we looked like pulling in the reigns he'd just appear out of nowhere and snuff it out.
 

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Adam Goodes is really inconsistent, which is why he's only gotten 3 All-Australians in a career where he has won 2 Brownlows.

At his best, he is better than Judd, by the slightest of margins. If Judd could take a contested mark, and could manage to not miss every 2nd shot at goal, I'd choose him.

In 2009, Goodes was the 3rd most accurate player at Goal, and this year he is the only non-defender in the AFL's Top 10 Marks. He's been thrown down forward as a 30 year old to replace Hall, and has done his best. Everyone knows he's better in the midfield, but its his job.

I have the uptmost respect for Judd though, and as I said in another thread, only he and a small handful of other players, would I give the title "Champion".
 

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I'll admit, I've only taken interest against my own team and on that I'd say Goodes. Judd has never been the sole reason we've lost to Carlton, not that we lose to them all that much anyway, where as Goodes was the sole reason we lost twice to Sydney. When we looked like pulling in the reigns he'd just appear out of nowhere and snuff it out.
You do realise Judd's prime was at WC, not Carlton.
 

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Which is the sad thing, as he was only 24 at the time.
To peak so early :(
The effects of OP on a players mobility and kicking penetration can be worse as well.

It has hampered both Ebert and Mastens development for us, devastated big name players like Ball and lengthened the development of many others.
 

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You never know, he could win another Brownlow. Goodes won his at 23 and 26 I believe. As Judd's strength is his footskills and speed, you'd think that if Brent Harvey can do it, Judd can in the next couple of years.
 
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