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#51
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Not agreed, you have got lost in your pointless definitions and are now branching to general assumptions. How did you deduce that I have contempt for those who have no problem with gays ?
Id love to know how you came to that conclusion..
You quite clearly were trying to insult me by calling me gay? Just because I was sticking up for Gays.

theGimp said:
I have yet to claim that I even dislike gay people, I work with them and am related to them. ..I dislike the concept of being gay.
I think there is something wrong with it.
Well I hope you have let them all know that you dislike the concept of being gay, and that you think there is something wrong with it. Go and ask them "Hi Uncle bob, I know you are gay, but I don;t like the concept of you being gay, and I think there is something wrong with it."


theGimp said:
I dont expect you to understand but this is why I do not like to be told Im homophobic. It implies that I am afraid of gay people.
Not according to the dictionary.


theGimp said:
If it makes you feel better go ahead and call me homophobic, by your thought process I probably am. But not by mine..
That is because my process are based upon what the word actually means, and yours are based on what you think it means.

theGimp said:
All I know is that a phobia implies fear. If I am arachnaphobic..(sp) I fear spiders, my first thought about them is not that I hold them in contempt. Who thinks like this apart from you ?
You dont think that a phobia implies fear and this makes you a fool..
No it makes me someone who tries to use words for what they mean, not just a year 8 understanding of a word like "-phobia".

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Do a test ask anyone you can find to define homophobia and see if they use the word 'fear'. Then you can report back with an apology.
I would think that 99.9% of the population would agree with a description of a homophobe that goes way beyond "fear" ie they would run away from a gay person and live in "fear" of them. I think they would include people who discriminate against gays, beat gays up, discriminate against gays, disagree with the gay lifestyle. because that is how the word is most commony used. It is hardly ever used to mean "fear".

Ok I have no idea if you are homophobic, and I WILL apologise for that, it is too easy to make a rash accusation to make a point. Will you apologise for calling me Gay as an insult. And apologise to your gay rellies that you use Gay as an insult. - but that does not change the fact that homophobia has a MUCH broader definition than "fear".

It is in black and white in the dictionary.
 

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FF

there are numerous people that believe that certain rights should only accrue to married people and not gays. You imply that by definition these people are homophobes and full of prejudice. Many catholics for example would hold this belief. To simply label them as poofter bashes is rubbish and typical of the crap that buffoons like Bob Brown would peddle.
 

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FF

there are numerous people that believe that certain rights should only accrue to married people and not gays. You imply that by definition these people are homophobes and full of prejudice. Many catholics for example would hold this belief. To simply label them as poofter bashes is rubbish and typical of the crap that buffoons like Bob Brown would peddle.
Hang on - we are arguing about the meaning of the word homophobia Medders. I am arguing it does not just mean an actual inexplicable fear of homosexuals, but the meaning in fact is much broader, as per the dictionary. Do you agree that the word homophobe is broader than the literal run away and squirm type fear as used used by The Gimp or not? You can say you disagree with the dictionary if you like, but you can;t say I'm wrong on this one. It is there clear as daylight!

But no, you have brought out the Bob Brown bit because you just judge everthing I say as though I am a brainwashed Bobby Brown fan. How can you justify bringing that into the thread??
 

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I think they would include people who discriminate against gays, beat gays up, discriminate against gays, disagree with the gay lifestyle. because that is how the word is most commony used. It is hardly ever used to mean "fear".
You are taking this way too far. There are many gay guys who thoroughly dislike the "gay lifestyle" ie mardi gras, gay bars, promiscuity etc. You could hardly call them homophobes.

Surely a person can at the same time have no personal dislike for gays and yet not want to see gay marriages introduced. I have quite a few Greek and Italian friends, yet I still want to see SBS and multicultural funding abolished.
 

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Freo. I will not apologise for calling you gay.

Do you take it as an insult ?
If so, you are homophobic by your own definition.
Do you see how completely irrational and illogical your argument is now.
Now you have a choice, concede or remain silent.
Either will do fine.
 

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Hang on - we are arguing about the meaning of the word homophobia Medders. I am arguing it does not just mean an actual inexplicable fear of homosexuals, but the meaning in fact is much broader, as per the dictionary. Do you agree that the word homophobe is broader than the literal run away and squirm type fear as used used by The Gimp or not? You can say you disagree with the dictionary if you like, but you can;t say I'm wrong on this one. It is there clear as daylight!

But no, you have brought out the Bob Brown bit because you just judge everthing I say as though I am a brainwashed Bobby Brown fan. How can you justify bringing that into the thread??
Its not as broad as you are trying to make out. It is possible to not personally dislike gays yet be opposed to the gay policies of the greens, ditto aboriginals and reconciliation, muslims and wahabbism etc, christians and the pope etc etc.
 

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You are taking this way too far. There are many gay guys who thoroughly dislike the "gay lifestyle" ie mardi gras, gay bars, promiscuity etc. You could hardly call them homophobes.

Surely a person can at the same time have no personal dislike for gays and yet not want to see gay marriages introduced. I have quite a few Greek and Italian friends, yet I still want to see SBS and multicultural funding abolished.
No I'm not. I'm saying that someone who has "contempt" for gay people is homophobic. Simple as that. It is the DICTIONARY DEFINITION!!!!!

Where you draw the line on contempt is a whole other issue and not one I'm looking at here.

But the dictionary says FEAR OR CONTEMPT, but the Gimp says it is just a straight up FEAR. I'm siding with the dictionary.

That is ALL this discussion is about! :)

As for the Gay lifestyle. sure I hate V8s and DIY but I'm not a heterophobe!! You are assuming I'm taking some extreme view here - nope - just arguing the definition.
 

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Freo. I will not apologise for calling you gay.

Do you take it as an insult ?
If so, you are homophobic by your own definition.
Do you see how completely irrational and illogical your argument is now.
Now you have a choice, concede or remain silent.
Either will do fine.
No I take it as a compliment - I put a lot of consideration into my attire today and I'm glad you've noticed!!

FYI I am 100% certain that just as anyone I have a certain level of homophobia.

Let me try another way - you said the Phobia like a fear of spiders. Well I ask you. If you saw a movie, and suddenly it went to a shot of 40 gay blokes all nud and lubricated up having a no holds barred orgy - would you squirm. Well by YOUR definition that is homophobia - just like spiders. now THAT would be a stupid way to interpret homophobia, in the way that society (and the dictionary) uses it.
 

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Its not as broad as you are trying to make out.
Yes it is!!!! I am ONLY trying to make out it is broader than a stright out "Fear" one associates with Phobia. I am pointing out it includes comtempt, and THAT IS THE DICTIONARY DEFINITION!!!

Sheesh Medders now you make me think you just like arguing with me ;)
 

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Its not as broad as you are trying to make out. It is possible to not personally dislike gays yet be opposed to the gay policies of the greens, ditto aboriginals and reconciliation, muslims and wahabbism etc, christians and the pope etc etc.
I agree with you on this, if people have a problem with gays, aboriginals, muslims etc that is OK, but when people come out with derogatory name calling, like pillow biters, pooters when talking about gays, coons, boongs, petrol sniffers when talking about aboriginals, towel heads, terrorists when talking about muslims, then they are showing they are homophobes & racists, there is the difference.
 

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mantis said:
I agree with you on this, if people have a problem with gays, aboriginals, muslims etc that is OK, but when people come out with derogatory name calling, like pillow biters, pooters when talking about gays, coons, boongs, petrol sniffers when talking about aboriginals, towel heads, terrorists when talking about muslims, then they are showing they are homophobes & racists, there is the difference.
what about the term "God fearer" when referring to Muslims and Christians?
 

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You two (or maybe just one with 2 usernames), are also in denial that you are homophobes, better be careful who you sit next to at the footy, or the cricket, they might be gay & you might catch Gay germs. :p
This is unequivocal proof you are a ****************. Funny I haven't caught this 'gay germs' of either of my poofter mates.

Why can't you just accept the fact I don't like the idea of men sticking penis' into other men. How does that make me fear them? I don't like collingwood supporters (or the idea of collingwood supporters), and I sure as hell don't fear them.

I accept they exist, but it dosen't mean I (or others) have to like what they do, or appreciate it.
 

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what about the term "God fearer" when referring to Muslims and Christians?
Now we are back into that great area of context. For example, I'm sure some great Islamic Jokes use the tea towel line - it is funny sometimes!

You could use God Fearer in both ways - I mean many of them would agree that they do indeed fear god.
 

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HUH? I have never said that, can't see why Muslims or Christians would fear their Gods anyway. :confused:

No no no. You have me wrong. Im not accusing you of saying it. I was just asking for your opinion as a follow on from what you posted.
 

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This is unequivocal proof you are a ****************. Funny I haven't caught this 'gay germs' of either of my poofter mates.

Why can't you just accept the fact I don't like the idea of men sticking penis' into other men. How does that make me fear them? I don't like collingwood supporters (or the idea of collingwood supporters), and I sure as hell don't fear them.

I accept they exist, but it dosen't mean I (or others) have to like what they do, or appreciate it.
You two must be different, because I've already spend 2 pages explaining that "fear" is a very narrow interpretation of the word homophobe to The Gimp. I'm not saying you ARE homophobic - just that you don't have to fear to be homophobic.
 

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Now we are back into that great area of context. For example, I'm sure some great Islamic Jokes use the tea towel line - it is funny sometimes!

You could use God Fearer in both ways - I mean many of them would agree that they do indeed fear god.

So in a sense are you saying its like aborigines calling each other coons?
 

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I agree with you on this, if people have a problem with gays, aboriginals, muslims etc that is OK, but when people come out with derogatory name calling, like pillow biters, pooters when talking about gays, coons, boongs, petrol sniffers when talking about aboriginals, towel heads, terrorists when talking about muslims, then they are showing they are homophobes & racists, there is the difference.
My original reference to the terms 'pillow biter' and 'fudge packer' was that they were self explainitory.

I also thought it was amazing how someone (namingly that 'gay rights' whinger) can be offended by such a term, even though they didn't understand what was meant by the expression.

For someone that dosen't think name calling is appropriate, you certaintly tried your best to infer that both theGimp and I were gay as some sort of insult to us. Yet in the same bit, it's ok to be gay? Make up your mind...
 

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You two must be different, because I've already spend 2 pages explaining that "fear" is a very narrow interpretation of the word homophobe to The Gimp. I'm not saying you ARE homophobic - just that you don't have to fear to be homophobic.
Hang on. I'll read your stuff in a minute.
 

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No no no. You have me wrong. Im not accusing you of saying it. I was just asking for your opinion as a follow on from what you posted.
But I don't understand what you are getting at, if it's a reference to things that are being said in that never ending rubbish, religion thread, well leave me out, but if people are using that as a term of ridicule for other peoples religions, then that is also discrimination, is that what you want. :confused:
 

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So in a sense are you saying its like aborigines calling each other coons?
Yeah. Or even a white person the aboriginal respects calling him a coon.

Racism is all about context.

I have a mete who is out and out sexist. If he stood in front of my girlfriends and said a sexist joke they would still still, not smile, tell him to get ********ed. But if I told it I bet I get a laugh or two. Maybe a groan too, but I'll not have been sexist.
 

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You have a strong aversion or dislike to gays - agreed?

If so - homophobic. Simple.

http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=homophobe

'Fear of or contempt for lesbians and gay men.'

That description is pretty standard as to what many describe homophobes as.

Can't say I have fear of them. I have contempt for people regardless of their sexual/religious/supported football teams.
 
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