roscreasl98
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Did you go to the PhatBoy/Xtreme school of logic?sending you round the bend eh! logic pales with rough justice.
Indian Tour vent thread.
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Nah. You are fine but Xtreme is just a deliberate s**t stirrer.
roscreasl98
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Something like that.......
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the official bigfooty account of the BCCI?
Another problem with these rankings is that the BCCI corrupt the game to the point that India don't have to leave home.
Smiths played 23 games at home, 30 away.
Then you look at Jadeja who's played 21 at home and 8 away.
Ashwin 30 at home, 16 away.
There not actually tested in the greatest challenge of international cricket, which is playing good sides away from home.
Smiths played 23 games at home, 30 away.
Then you look at Jadeja who's played 21 at home and 8 away.
Ashwin 30 at home, 16 away.
There not actually tested in the greatest challenge of international cricket, which is playing good sides away from home.
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Yeah I'm not interested in Jadeja's ranking in particular given he exclusively plays on rank turners which favour him, if it doesn't spin he gets left out
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Australian Series Batting Averages (according to Cricinfo):
Steve Smith - 71.28 (499 runs)
Glenn Maxwell - 39.75 (159 runs)
Matt Wade - 32.66 (196 runs)
Matt Renshaw - 29.00 (232 runs)
Pete Handscomb - 28.28 (198 runs)
Dave Warner - 24.12 (193 runs)
Shaun Marsh - 18.87 (151 runs)
Can only tell a few stories from base averages and outputs but two things can definitely be said here: (1) Smith was superhuman during this tour - singlehandedly gave us a fighting chance and (2) everyone else was average bar Maxwell who showed some real fight in both tests.
Whilst there isn't much between the remainder of the batsman, the two standout disappointments are Warner and Marsh as they are senior players - one being Vice Captain, and the other picked purely because "he can play spin". Whilst these numbers don't speak to Marsh's defiant stand in the 3rd test, he did not do enough and often gave up his wicket on a false shot and cheaply. Similar for Warner - he is VC and too-often looked very uncomfortable on these decks. His only half-century came in a knock that again flirted with danger and had many half-chances.
Going forward, I see Warner retaining his spot only due to him being VC and being one of the few experienced batsmen in the side. But thin ice lies below him now. Renshaw and Handscomb did well considering its their first tour - both showed grit, both had good innings and both showed enough value for their wicket to merit a spot. They will be good for the run.
Marsh is dropped. He cannot be given chances - whilst he had good moments in the series, his brain fades were too often, and for a member who is meant to be senior, he is too inconsistent to be relied on. I would like to see his spot be given to another promising youngster who has a solid average in the Shield like: Kurtis Patterson, Ashton Turner, Jake Lehmann, Hilton Cartwright or Marcus Harris. Try to develop another youngster rather than continuing giving chances to Marsh who shows he does not have the temperament or Khawaja who can only play at home.
Wade stays - he has shown enough (just) to merit continuing his spot in the side. He is fortunate partly as he has played better than his last series at home and his competition in Nevill is still in the doghouse and the next promising youngster in Whiteman hasn't done enough this season in the Shield.
Smith has well and truly carried our batting side and was aided by an incredibly strong showing from our bowling attack. All of Hazle, Starc, SOK, Gary and Cummins showed incredible discipline and nous in this series and should take a bow. Their ability as a unit, and our strong pace stocks, will give us plenty of ammunition going forward.
Whilst the series isn't over - thought I would jump the gun. Feel free to disagree. Whilst I would like Warner to cop some kind of whack behind the ears - I just cannot see it happening. If the selectors are allowing people like the Marsh brothers to still hover around this team, I see Warner's position as safe as houses.
Steve Smith - 71.28 (499 runs)
Glenn Maxwell - 39.75 (159 runs)
Matt Wade - 32.66 (196 runs)
Matt Renshaw - 29.00 (232 runs)
Pete Handscomb - 28.28 (198 runs)
Dave Warner - 24.12 (193 runs)
Shaun Marsh - 18.87 (151 runs)
Can only tell a few stories from base averages and outputs but two things can definitely be said here: (1) Smith was superhuman during this tour - singlehandedly gave us a fighting chance and (2) everyone else was average bar Maxwell who showed some real fight in both tests.
Whilst there isn't much between the remainder of the batsman, the two standout disappointments are Warner and Marsh as they are senior players - one being Vice Captain, and the other picked purely because "he can play spin". Whilst these numbers don't speak to Marsh's defiant stand in the 3rd test, he did not do enough and often gave up his wicket on a false shot and cheaply. Similar for Warner - he is VC and too-often looked very uncomfortable on these decks. His only half-century came in a knock that again flirted with danger and had many half-chances.
Going forward, I see Warner retaining his spot only due to him being VC and being one of the few experienced batsmen in the side. But thin ice lies below him now. Renshaw and Handscomb did well considering its their first tour - both showed grit, both had good innings and both showed enough value for their wicket to merit a spot. They will be good for the run.
Marsh is dropped. He cannot be given chances - whilst he had good moments in the series, his brain fades were too often, and for a member who is meant to be senior, he is too inconsistent to be relied on. I would like to see his spot be given to another promising youngster who has a solid average in the Shield like: Kurtis Patterson, Ashton Turner, Jake Lehmann, Hilton Cartwright or Marcus Harris. Try to develop another youngster rather than continuing giving chances to Marsh who shows he does not have the temperament or Khawaja who can only play at home.
Wade stays - he has shown enough (just) to merit continuing his spot in the side. He is fortunate partly as he has played better than his last series at home and his competition in Nevill is still in the doghouse and the next promising youngster in Whiteman hasn't done enough this season in the Shield.
Smith has well and truly carried our batting side and was aided by an incredibly strong showing from our bowling attack. All of Hazle, Starc, SOK, Gary and Cummins showed incredible discipline and nous in this series and should take a bow. Their ability as a unit, and our strong pace stocks, will give us plenty of ammunition going forward.
Whilst the series isn't over - thought I would jump the gun. Feel free to disagree. Whilst I would like Warner to cop some kind of whack behind the ears - I just cannot see it happening. If the selectors are allowing people like the Marsh brothers to still hover around this team, I see Warner's position as safe as houses.
So with the benefits of hindsight perhaps those trumping the quality of Smarsh as a subcontinental specialist and a far superior selection to Khawaja should put their hand and admit they might have got that one wrong.
There's no doubt the stats don't lie, 19 average is apaling for a batsman.
If Khawaja would have been better we won't know, he would have had to be embarrassing to average less than 19 though.
The thing is the conditions are so different back home that the stats from this tour are almost irrevelant.
It applys for the next Asian tour.
Your not going to leave Warner out in the Ashes who has 18 test hundreds.
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Not that I can find, Australia only have the Champions trophy between now & the Ashes.
Where as we have:
2 odi vs Ireland
3 odi vs RSA
Champions trophy
3 T20 vs RSA
4 test vs RSA
3 test vs WI
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Spot on. Completely agree with everything you've said here. I've been a S.Marsh supporter coming into this series on a 'horses for courses' basis but excluding those two knocks out of 8 innings, he has been very very average and unfortunately I think his time is well and truly up. He often nicks off on our fast bouncy tracks at home so his only future in the side was on these away tours that are quite foreign to most Australian batsmen.
While I agree that Khawaja is not the answer long term as he can only play at home - I would bring him back into the side based on the fact that he and Warner will most likely score runs against England next summer on our roads. After that though, I would like to see another young batsmen get given ago in the side.
For me, Smith should stay at no.3. He is the best test batsmen in the world and I'm sick of seeing us 2 down for not much. Plus we need to build a strong middle order that are capable of getting gritty if Smith falls early. We need more emphasis on the other batsmen to dig in when the going gets tough. Although Handscomb has been average this series with a number of starts, he showed last match that he has it in him along with Renshaw. We need more of that
Not sure Khawaja can only score at home.
It could be true but he hasn't had nearly as many chances as Warner. I think he would go ok in England and SA and probably deserves another go when we go to Bangladesh.
If he fails there, ban him from Asia.
Warner too, but they won't has he's a golden boy
Ashwin wants to play on overseas tours and in all conditions but the selectors won't have him very often in the first 11 outside Asia for obvious reasons.
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I'm disappointed with his series as a whole but I'm still confident his 2 important knocks are more than Khawaja would have produced there.
Usman to come straight back in at home.
I think that's a pretty generous assessment. I can understand (but not agree) with the logic of playing Marsh but I think it was the selectors overthinking the process. Khawaja had demonstrated he's test quality and I think should have got the nod and I think it's more than likely he would have done better than Smarsh.
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Yes, Usman has demonstrated he's Test quality. But he's also demonstrated he's a walking wicket on those decks. The fact he was overlooked all series speaks volumes.
Fantastic player at home.
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I find that a bit unfair. No he hasn't proven himself in the SC but he hasn't had nearly the same opportunities as proven failures like Warner. I can't see Marsh getting another go at his age so surely Khawaja plays in Bangladesh.
Mmm thats strange. Probably the longest we've gone without playing a test between each other since 2007.
England look to have a good preparation to build some confidence with a win over RSA and to settle their side.
Those 2 tests in Sl last year are actually his only ones in asia since he was a rookie 6 years ago.
Not that I can see. We have ODIs no the champions trophy but no more test cricket before the gabba
Be surprised if that Bangladesh tour goes ahead. CA take any chance possible to duck test tours there.
