Indigenous players at Collingwood

[35Daicos]

2015 playing lists:-

 

[TheGreatGrundy]

I think getting them as Mature Aged Players is better then getting them as Kids

A bit like ruckmen Dave? Let other clubs take the risk and develop them then trade for them? Some teams seem to enjoy great success drafting indigenous players - like Hawthorn (despite one obvious failure). We could use a fast, slippery indigenous player, especially one like Brad Dick who exudes happiness and joy on the football field.

 

[DAWESOME!!]

Thanks 35Daicos for pulling together those stats. Always useful when someone adds some facts!

 

[Roverjg]

If you are basing it in quality we have not done so well, but if you are basing our recruiting solely on the amount of indigenous players we have recruited, then we have recruited the second most indigenous players over the past 20 years.

The Pies have recruited 14 indigenous players over the past 20 years (since 1995).
Brad Dick; Richard Cole; Anthony Corrie; Robbie Ahmet; Tony Armstrong; Shannon Cox; Leon Davis; Chris Egan; Andrew Kraukouer; Adrian McAdam; Jason Roe; Travis Varcoe; Sharrod Wellingham and Peter Yagmoor.
Over the same period:
Fremantle - 20
NM - 10
Sydney - 5
Carlton - 4
Adelaide - 7
Essendon - 12
Hawks - 9
WCE - 9
GC - 6
Melbourne - 12
Port - 14
Geelong - 6
Lions - 8
St. K - 5
Richmond - 7
GWS - 1
WB - 10

 

[35Daicos]

Are there other clubs with a similar scarcity? Richmond comes to mind.

Not sure what I'm getting at, but there are clubs which established something of a positive track record with Indigenous players early on, and we weren't one of those.

Not until Wally Lovett in 1982 did we have an indigenous player play senior football (he only played the one season before moving to Richmond). Robert Ahmat in 1995 was the next to come along. It's a poor record.

Norm Le Brun had been believed to be indigenous but it has been uncovered in recent times that this wasn't the case.

 

[DAWESOME!!]

In terms of the no. of indigenous players who have ever played senior football, here's how the current numbers look for all clubs (sorry if these colours are too bright!):-
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Is it wrong that I'm surprised the Dees have had so many? Aaron Davies and Jeff Farmer are two notable players but beyond that not that many spring to mind.

 

[TheGreatGrundy]

Thanks 35Daicos for pulling together those stats. Always useful when someone adds some facts!

Yeah great stuff from 35Daicos. Whilst we are not overburdened with indigenous players, they are certainly under-represented at St Kilda. Melbourne based teams seem the least likely to draft indigenous players.

 

[35Daicos]

If you are basing it in quality we have not done so well, but if you are basing our recruiting solely on the amount of indigenous players we have recruited, then we have recruited the second most indigenous players over the past 20 years.

The Pies have recruited 14 indigenous players over the past 20 years (since 1995).
Brad Dick; Richard Cole; Anthony Corrie; Robbie Ahmet; Tony Armstrong; Shannon Cox; Leon Davis; Chris Egan; Andrew Kraukouer; Adrian McAdam; Jason Roe; Travis Varcoe; Sharrod Wellingham and Peter Yagmoor.

Kirk Ugle was another. Nathan Lovett-Murray and Johnny Bennell would have been on the Rookie List as well.

 

[DAWESOME!!]

If you are basing it in quality we have not done so well, but if you are basing our recruiting solely on the amount of indigenous players we have recruited, then we have recruited the second most indigenous players over the past 20 years.

The Pies have recruited 14 indigenous players over the past 20 years (since 1995).
Brad Dick; Richard Cole; Anthony Corrie; Robbie Ahmet; Tony Armstrong; Shannon Cox; Leon Davis; Chris Egan; Andrew Kraukouer; Adrian McAdam; Jason Roe; Travis Varcoe; Sharrod Wellingham and Peter Yagmoor.
Over the same period:
Fremantle - 20
NM - 10
Sydney - 5
Carlton - 4
Adelaide - 7
Essendon - 12
Hawks - 9
WCE - 9
GC - 6
Melbourne - 12
Port - 14
Geelong - 6
Lions - 8
St. K - 5
Richmond - 7
GWS - 1
WB - 10

Thanks Roverjg, that's a great point. We're sort of the opposite to Sydney in that regard - they haven't recruited a stack of indigenous players in recent times, but those they did take have included absolute champions like Goodesy and Micky O.

 

[35Daicos]

Is it wrong that I'm surprised the Dees have had so many? Aaron Davies and Jeff Farmer are two notable players but beyond that not that many spring to mind.

Andy Lovell, Les Bamblett and Matthew Whelan all played a fair bit.

 

[bradrowe#32]

Maybe there hasn't been a good Indigenous player available at our pick?

 

[THATSGOLD]

Weren't going to have one of the list a few years ago that was 160cm? He trained with us.

 

[35Daicos]

Weren't going to have one of the list a few years ago that was 160cm? He trained with us.

You mean Elijah Edwards I guess, the NSW Scholarship lad?

 

[THATSGOLD]

You mean Elijah Edwards I guess, the NSW Scholarship lad?

That's the one. What happened to him? Where is he playing now?

 

[DAWESOME!!]

Andy Lovell, Les Bamblett and Matthew Whelan all played a fair bit.

And Liam Jurrah, Austin Wonaeamirri, and Garlett in recent years I suppose.

 

[35Daicos]

That's the one. What happened to him? Where is he playing now?

The poor lad never grew and was just too small. There's a brilliant picture out there somewhere of him standing near Tom Boyd (who trained with us when he was with the Academy). I believe he's playing in the Vic. country somewhere, not sure where.

 

[TheGreatGrundy]

You mean Elijah Edwards I guess, the NSW Scholarship lad?

Glad we didn't draft him. We don't need anymore short people, though Caleb Daniel might have been a handy addition.

 

[35Daicos]

And Liam Jurrah, Austin Wonaeamirri, and Garlett in recent years I suppose.

There's a current and a past player list here for anyone that would like to check them out:-

http://www.aflcommunityclub.com.au/index.php?id=790
http://www.aflcommunityclub.com.au/index.php?id=791

The 2015 list leaves off Hartman (Geelong) and Sumner (GC) who quit their clubs earlier this year. I still include them in my calculations. I think there's a few stuff-ups on the other list from what I can remember, and a few who never played seniors who shouldn't be mentioned there.

 

[76woodenspooners]

That's the one. What happened to him? Where is he playing now?

Last I heard he was playing up in the Murray league somewhere.

I think either Bring_Back_Brad or mike123 were following his progress?

 

[Roverjg]

Other

Is it wrong that I'm surprised the Dees have had so many? Aaron Davies and Jeff Farmer are two notable players but beyond that not that many spring to mind.

Other Davey, Farmer and Liam Jurrah, they had a few players that played less than 10 games

 

[Obese Arachnid]

In terms of the no. of indigenous players who have ever played senior football, here's how the current numbers look for all clubs (sorry if these colours are too bright!):-
View attachment 178221

How racist are University!

 

[DAWESOME!!]

Would love a speedy, skilled, elusive indigenous small forward.

 

[35Daicos]

Last I heard he was playing up in the Murray league somewhere.

I think either Bring_Back_Brad or mike123 were following his progress?

Tongala, it seems:-

http://www.foxsportspulse.com/team_...36330-21695864&pID=197859504&news_task=DETAIL

 

[rupink06]

Would love to pick up Wayne Milera this year. He's a jet! We haven't had a crumbing small forward on our list since Krakour.

We'd need a pick between 10-20 though. Not sure where we're getting that from unless Witts is traded.

Terry Wallace on Future Stars had him going to us at Pick 7.

 

[76woodenspooners]

Interesting to consider that the indigenous population of Australia is around 2% of the total population.

And the indigenous population of AFL players is running at 8.9%

Indigenous players seem to be quite well represented in our game.