Have they? Then why did Scots vote en masse for a pro-independence party recently, that quite openly speaks of holding a second referendum? I can't imagine their health care policy is really that much of an improvement on Labour.
#indyref2 Scotland and the second independence referendum
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Staying in the UK allowed them to stay in the EU at that time. Leaving the UK didn't. Simples.
No no, explain more about this 'love of the EU that caused them to stay in the UK'.
I already have. It's not my fault if you can't read properly.
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With all this due respect, this is a stupid question same like "we can trade with the whole world, why with Europe". They will not only lose access to 5 billion euros a year they will lose access to programs like COST, Marie curie scholarship programs (which resulted in 3 nobel prizes), Horizon program (which one of the best research programs in the world) and the declining participation of European scientists in UK based projects which is already happening on a large scale since 2016. Cost of setting up programs, inviting scientists, creating infrastructure,, collaboration programs is not easy. US defense funds missile research program in the UK that took only 13 years to set up and after 12 billion dollars is finally up and running.
Imagine you and meds pretending to know more about science and research than 2 presidents of the royal society and 2 nobel prize winners.
Read the article you will see vast majority of the scientists think this poses a major problem for research in science and tech in the UK. But no, you and meds must know more and better, based on gut feeling.
Brexit: Don’t take us for fools, top scientist Andre Geim warns Boris Johnson
Boris Johnson was accused by a Nobel laureate last night of taking scientists “for fools” after he announced plans to attract the “best minds from around the world” after Brexit.Announcing an overhaul of the immigration system, the prime minister promised to make it easier for leading academicswww.thetimes.co.uk
thers fierce competition, but I reckon boris will turn out to been the flakiest demagogue of them all when history is writ
Nah, UK produces nothing.
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You might wanna check what i wrote again...dear sir.
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Scottish independence: Nicola Sturgeon calls for patience over indyref2
Scotland's first minister says she still wants indyref2 this year - but acknowledges it may not come until at least 2021.
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Scottish independence: Nicola Sturgeon calls for patience over indyref2
Scotland's first minister says she still wants indyref2 this year - but acknowledges it may not come until at least 2021.
Funny how sovereignty no longer matters, one country continuously sets and terms and conditions on how the union should be run. The freedom lovers love this kind of union.
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This is interesting. Politics in Scotland is heavily influenced by sectarianism which is mind boggling in this day and age. Despite the SNP being dominant in the devolved parliament and the recent UK election, there is still a significant loyalist population.
Issues facing the independence push beyond that include the UK government granting another referendum, questions over an independent Scotland’s economic viability, whether they would be granted access back into the EU and whether entering the EU as an independent Scotland would be a good thing.
The landscape post an independent Scotland would also be intriguing. Would the SNP weaken as price for getting their ultimate goal? So much of their identity has been built on Scottish independence that there’s probably a chance of a realignment if they achieved that goal.
I’m interested as a second generation Scot and can see the merits of both sides of the argument. However, I don’t see there being a second indyref anytime soon.
Issues facing the independence push beyond that include the UK government granting another referendum, questions over an independent Scotland’s economic viability, whether they would be granted access back into the EU and whether entering the EU as an independent Scotland would be a good thing.
The landscape post an independent Scotland would also be intriguing. Would the SNP weaken as price for getting their ultimate goal? So much of their identity has been built on Scottish independence that there’s probably a chance of a realignment if they achieved that goal.
I’m interested as a second generation Scot and can see the merits of both sides of the argument. However, I don’t see there being a second indyref anytime soon.
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Scotland is not a separate country.
If a suburb voted to leave Victoria would it be ignoring sovereignty?
Scotland had a vote and chose no. At the time the push was "this is our one and only chance".
Except now they want another. And if they lost again, another.
Maybe the UK should let them go. Cant imagine the EU would want them. They would be begging back in.
Apart from the fact that the legal system has always been distinct, they have their own banknotes etc etc
So more of a state which joined a union. just like Britain in the EU.
Scotland has often been aligned with Europe in its battles with England. it goes a long way back. Not sure theyd want a border though - but theyd want the same deal as the Irish border
Begging to be back in? No doubt that view prevails in part of the EU too
Scotland had a vote before brexit, i think the circumstances are different now. And comparing Scotland with victoria is just ridiuclous. Scotland was a separate state which joined the Union. It is STILL A UNION. Occupied Ireland is also a separate country which voted to stay in the EU. ROI has left the union, it's not begging to come back and it has been through the worst and it has survived and growing just fine? stop with your virtue signaling.
The fact that you can't even acknowledge that England dominates the UK and other countries must accept the decision being made by the Little Englanders shows you are biased, while crying the same about Germany and the EU. Be impartial, for once.
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"DEMOCRACY!!!!!11" crowd don't bat an eyelid at unelected head of state and upper house. They're full of it.
They have their own parliament, and are widely seen as being their own nation within the UK.
Not a good analogy. It's more similar to when WA tried to secede. Rejecting that was indeed ignoring sovereignty.
Oh really?
Tusk: EU would be enthusiastic if Scotland applied to rejoin
Former European council president’s remarks will boost SNP’s campaign for second independence referendum
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Reading back over my post, I was surprised I expressed my sentiment so glibly. What I meant was in the past this had been very much the case and there were still elements of it in their society, far more so than Australia, for example. Thankfully it is changing for the better.
I suppose the somewhat meandering point was that the SNP do have political popularity in Scotland, however, there are people who don’t vote in those elections who may be more motivated to vote in an Indy ref if held soon.
Admittedly I haven't been to Scotland in the past 7 years, but where do you find sectarianism outside of the Old Firm Derby? I never really saw it anywhere honestly.
Correct, but the SNP aren't fools, they know that. That's why they're going to wait until opinion polls show a firm majority for independence.
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Haha! 2013 was my last visit also.
I don’t really know if it’s in the OF that much any more to be honest aside from idiots and the odd 90 minute bigot. I guess it’s more in the elder parts of my family and the extended family and friends they associated with. Not UDA ultras or political radicals by any stretch, however still sceptical about ‘Catholic influence’ (not that I agree or saw any evidence as such). They probably don’t preach their political views much beyond family, however, they weren’t too keen on Alex Salmond, the SNP and the Indyref at the time.
Yeah. Perhaps I haven’t given them credit, their rise has been quite remarkable over the past two decades.
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Seems like wile thers a brexit ’project fear’ thers also a project fear on scottish independence
Scotland will never be able to survive without England and rest of the UK.
Sounds familiar. lol
Sounds familiar. lol
They could easily survive. Much more so than Wales and NI.
Just would mean big cut in spending (or hope like hell that oil went to $150 and they find more near the Shetlands).
If Ireland can survive, so can Scotland. They can actually control their own tax income and spending for a change. The actual costs of governance of an independent Scotland are unknown. Scotland has been in decline within the union for 75 years with many of its most talented people forced to seek employment in the south east or further afield. It can't get much worse, but can only go up from here. How quick people forget Scotland have been a net contributor to the UK coffers for years. This position has been downplayed and reversed by the English press.
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