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Dlions

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  • (0 to 10 games - Brisbane 0 vs. Geelong 1)
  • 0 to 24 games - Brisbane 2 vs. Geelong 4
  • 25 to 49 games - Brisbane 5 vs. Geelong 4
  • 50 to 99 games - Brisbane 5 vs. Geelong 3
  • 100 to 199 games - Brisbane 8 vs. Geelong 5
  • 200+ games - Brisbane 2 vs. Geelong 6
Extra stats:
  • Average games played - Brisbane 104.4 vs. Geelong 130.4 (= -26 games on average)
  • Average age - Brisbane 25.4 vs. Geelong 26.5 (= -1.1 years on average)
  • Average height - Brisbane 187.7cm vs. Geelong 187.8cm (= -0.1cm on average)
  • Average weight - Brisbane 88.8kg vs. Geelong 89kg (= -0.2kg on average)
Massive test, Massive!
 

BigCat2

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One you get to a certain threshold e.g. average age 25 years, average experience 100 games, is age/experience gap still relevant?

Or does it actually work the other way, when one team is too old, too banged up?
 

xplo

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One you get to a certain threshold e.g. average age 25 years, average experience 100 games, is age/experience gap still relevant?

Or does it actually work the other way, when one team is too old, too banged up?
I think once you tick over that minimum age/experience line (whatever that happens to be) it does become less relevant. The weekly fluctuations in individual player form and injuries must have more impact than the difference between average age being 25.1 to 25.4.
 

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Jivlain

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  • (0 to 10 games - Richmond 0 vs. Brisbane 0)
  • 0 to 24 games - Richmond 4 vs. Brisbane 3
  • 25 to 49 games - Richmond 1 vs. Brisbane 3
  • 50 to 99 games - Richmond 5 vs. Brisbane 6
  • 100 to 199 games - Richmond 7 vs. Brisbane 8
  • 200+ games - Richmond 5 vs. Brisbane 2
Extra stats:
  • Average games played - Richmond 120.9 vs. Brisbane 100 (= +20.9 games on average)
  • Average age - Richmond 25.9 vs. Brisbane 25.1 (= +0.8 years on average)
  • Average height - Richmond 185.4cm vs. Brisbane 188cm (= -2.6cm on average)
  • Average weight - Richmond 86.1kg vs. Brisbane 88.9kg (= -2.8kg on average)
 

T Rick

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  • (0 to 10 games - Richmond 0 vs. Brisbane 0)
  • 0 to 24 games - Richmond 4 vs. Brisbane 3
  • 25 to 49 games - Richmond 1 vs. Brisbane 3
  • 50 to 99 games - Richmond 5 vs. Brisbane 6
  • 100 to 199 games - Richmond 7 vs. Brisbane 8
  • 200+ games - Richmond 5 vs. Brisbane 2
Extra stats:
  • Average games played - Richmond 120.9 vs. Brisbane 100 (= +20.9 games on average)
  • Average age - Richmond 25.9 vs. Brisbane 25.1 (= +0.8 years on average)
  • Average height - Richmond 185.4cm vs. Brisbane 188cm (= -2.6cm on average)
  • Average weight - Richmond 86.1kg vs. Brisbane 88.9kg (= -2.8kg on average)
As always love your work Jivlain - many thanks!
 

Jivlain

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  • (0 to 10 games - Brisbane 0 vs. Richmond 0)
  • 0 to 24 games - Brisbane 2 vs. Richmond 3
  • 25 to 49 games - Brisbane 3 vs. Richmond 1
  • 50 to 99 games - Brisbane 6 vs. Richmond 6
  • 100 to 199 games - Brisbane 9 vs. Richmond 7
  • 200+ games - Brisbane 2 vs. Richmond 5
Extra stats:
  • Average games played - Brisbane 105.4 vs. Richmond 123.5 (= -18.1 games on average)
  • Average age - Brisbane 25.4 vs. Richmond 26.1 (= -0.7 years on average)
  • Average height - Brisbane 187.7cm vs. Richmond 185.6cm (= +2.1cm on average)
  • Average weight - Brisbane 88.8kg vs. Richmond 86.2kg (= +2.6kg on average)

One of these graphs will show a healthy jump next time I post them.
 

Jivlain

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  • (0 to 10 games - Geelong 1 vs. West Coast 0)
  • 0 to 24 games - Geelong 3 vs. West Coast 1
  • 25 to 49 games - Geelong 4 vs. West Coast 2
  • 50 to 99 games - Geelong 5 vs. West Coast 3
  • 100 to 199 games - Geelong 5 vs. West Coast 12
  • 200+ games - Geelong 5 vs. West Coast 4
Extra stats:
  • Average games played - Geelong 124.2 vs. West Coast 144.9 (= -20.7 games on average)
  • Average age - Geelong 26.5 vs. West Coast 27.3 (= -0.8 years on average)
  • Average height - Geelong 188cm vs. West Coast 188.7cm (= -0.7cm on average)
  • Average weight - Geelong 89.2kg vs. West Coast 89.2kg (= 0kg on average)
 

Jivlain

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  • (0 to 10 games - Brisbane 0 vs. Greater Western Sydney 0)
  • 0 to 24 games - Brisbane 1 vs. Greater Western Sydney 0
  • 25 to 49 games - Brisbane 4 vs. Greater Western Sydney 5
  • 50 to 99 games - Brisbane 7 vs. Greater Western Sydney 6
  • 100 to 199 games - Brisbane 8 vs. Greater Western Sydney 10
  • 200+ games - Brisbane 2 vs. Greater Western Sydney 1
Extra stats:
  • Average games played - Brisbane 101 vs. Greater Western Sydney 106.8 (= -5.8 games on average)
  • Average age - Brisbane 25.2 vs. Greater Western Sydney 25.9 (= -0.7 years on average)
  • Average height - Brisbane 188cm vs. Greater Western Sydney 188.8cm (= -0.8cm on average)
  • Average weight - Brisbane 89.1kg vs. Greater Western Sydney 88.2kg (= +0.9kg on average)

In stark constrast to last week, this week NRobbo and Petrol Jelly will be the only players to pop their finals cherry.
 

Dlions

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  • (0 to 10 games - Geelong 1 vs. West Coast 0)
  • 0 to 24 games - Geelong 3 vs. West Coast 1
  • 25 to 49 games - Geelong 4 vs. West Coast 2
  • 50 to 99 games - Geelong 5 vs. West Coast 3
  • 100 to 199 games - Geelong 5 vs. West Coast 12
  • 200+ games - Geelong 5 vs. West Coast 4
Extra stats:
  • Average games played - Geelong 124.2 vs. West Coast 144.9 (= -20.7 games on average)
  • Average age - Geelong 26.5 vs. West Coast 27.3 (= -0.8 years on average)
  • Average height - Geelong 188cm vs. West Coast 188.7cm (= -0.7cm on average)
  • Average weight - Geelong 89.2kg vs. West Coast 89.2kg (= 0kg on average)
Wow, West Coast nearly averaging 150 games per player, that is an experienced line up, right there.
 

Jivlain

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  • (0 to 10 games - Richmond 0 vs. Geelong 1)
  • 0 to 24 games - Richmond 2 vs. Geelong 3
  • 25 to 49 games - Richmond 2 vs. Geelong 4
  • 50 to 99 games - Richmond 6 vs. Geelong 5
  • 100 to 199 games - Richmond 7 vs. Geelong 6
  • 200+ games - Richmond 5 vs. Geelong 4
Extra stats:
  • Average games played - Richmond 124.5 vs. Geelong 121.3 (= +3.2 games on average)
  • Average age - Richmond 26.2 vs. Geelong 26.5 (= -0.3 years on average)
  • Average height - Richmond 185.6cm vs. Geelong 187.9cm (= -2.3cm on average)
  • Average weight - Richmond 86.2kg vs. Geelong 89kg (= -2.8kg on average)
 

Jivlain

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  • (0 to 10 games - Collingwood 1 vs. Greater Western Sydney 1)
  • 0 to 24 games - Collingwood 2 vs. Greater Western Sydney 1
  • 25 to 49 games - Collingwood 3 vs. Greater Western Sydney 5
  • 50 to 99 games - Collingwood 5 vs. Greater Western Sydney 7
  • 100 to 199 games - Collingwood 9 vs. Greater Western Sydney 8
  • 200+ games - Collingwood 3 vs. Greater Western Sydney 1
Extra stats:
  • Average games played - Collingwood 115.5 vs. Greater Western Sydney 98.1 (= +17.4 games on average)
  • Average age - Collingwood 26.2 vs. Greater Western Sydney 25.8 (= +0.4 years on average)
  • Average height - Collingwood 188.1cm vs. Greater Western Sydney 189.3cm (= -1.2cm on average)
  • Average weight - Collingwood 86.7kg vs. Greater Western Sydney 88.4kg (= -1.7kg on average)
 

Dlions

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The sad thing with Hodgey gone for next year is that our games and age average could drop quite substantially next year.
Games average could drop anywhere up to 15 games depending on who replaces him in the team and age could drop up to about .5 yr.
We were starting to look really quite good in these averages towards the end of this year.
To minimise this, if the replacement were a Brodie Smith/Ryan Lester it would not look as bad, but if it were to be Brandon Starcevich or Mitch Hinge it would be at the worse end of that scale. 😐
 

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The sad thing with Hodgey gone for next year is that our games and age average could drop quite substantially next year.
Games average could drop anywhere up to 15 games depending on who replaces him in the team and age could drop up to about .5 yr.
We were starting to look really quite good in these averages towards the end of this year.
To minimise this, if the replacement were a Brodie Smith/Ryan Lester it would not look as bad, but if it were to be Brandon Starcevich or Mitch Hinge it would be at the worse end of that scale. 😐
Easy to look at that as a negative, but I see it as an overwhelming positive. Our best 22 is young and experienced, yet still finished equal first. Give our youth experience and their talents will take us forward. Replace Hodge with a Smith or good rebound defender and we will be fine. Personally, I'd like to see Witherden play the Hodge role next year. I think he isn't far off being ready to play that role and think Andrews, Rich and go can help with directing and leadership.
 

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Jivlain

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  • (0 to 10 games - Brisbane 4 vs. Port Adelaide 3)
  • 0 to 24 games - Brisbane 4 vs. Port Adelaide 9
  • 25 to 49 games - Brisbane 6 vs. Port Adelaide 1
  • 50 to 99 games - Brisbane 6 vs. Port Adelaide 6
  • 100 to 199 games - Brisbane 8 vs. Port Adelaide 7
  • 200+ games - Brisbane 2 vs. Port Adelaide 3
Extra stats:
  • Average games played - Brisbane 84.7 vs. Port Adelaide 89.6 (= -4.9 games on average)
  • Average age - Brisbane 24.8 vs. Port Adelaide 25 (= -0.2 years on average)
  • Average height - Brisbane 189.1cm vs. Port Adelaide 188.5cm (= +0.6cm on average)
  • Average weight - Brisbane 88.7kg vs. Port Adelaide 85.2kg (= +3.5kg on average)
 

Jivlain

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Always find these instructive. However, are you able to use median as well as, or instead of averages? I understand that might not be as easy to automate.
  • Median games played - Brisbane 59 vs. Port Adelaide 60.5 (-1.5 games)
  • Median age - Brisbane 24.54 vs. Port Adelaide 24.46 (+0.08 years)
  • Median height - Brisbane 188cm vs. Port Adelaide 188cm (0cm)
  • Median weight - Brisbane 87.5kg vs. Port Adelaide 85kg (+2.5kg)
(although I'll add you can look at the graphs - the middle player in each side will be the median ;))
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Jivlain

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  • (0 to 10 games - Carlton 3 vs. Brisbane 4)
  • 0 to 24 games - Carlton 7 vs. Brisbane 5
  • 25 to 49 games - Carlton 2 vs. Brisbane 5
  • 50 to 99 games - Carlton 8 vs. Brisbane 6
  • 100 to 199 games - Carlton 6 vs. Brisbane 8
  • 200+ games - Carlton 3 vs. Brisbane 2
Means:
  • Average games played - Carlton 95.1 vs. Brisbane 84 (+11.1 games)
  • Average age - Carlton 25.5 vs. Brisbane 24.7 (+0.8 years)
  • Average height - Carlton 187.1cm vs. Brisbane 188.5cm (-1.4cm)
  • Average weight - Carlton 85.2kg vs. Brisbane 87.6kg (-2.4kg)
Medians:
  • Median games played - Carlton 63 vs. Brisbane 59 (+4 games)
  • Median age - Carlton 25.04 vs. Brisbane 23.85 (+1.19 years)
  • Median height - Carlton 186cm vs. Brisbane 187cm (-1cm)
  • Median weight - Carlton 86kg vs. Brisbane 85kg (+1kg)
 

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  • (0 to 10 games - Carlton 3 vs. Brisbane 4)
  • 0 to 24 games - Carlton 7 vs. Brisbane 5
  • 25 to 49 games - Carlton 2 vs. Brisbane 5
  • 50 to 99 games - Carlton 8 vs. Brisbane 6
  • 100 to 199 games - Carlton 6 vs. Brisbane 8
  • 200+ games - Carlton 3 vs. Brisbane 2
Means:
  • Average games played - Carlton 95.1 vs. Brisbane 84 (+11.1 games)
  • Average age - Carlton 25.5 vs. Brisbane 24.7 (+0.8 years)
  • Average height - Carlton 187.1cm vs. Brisbane 188.5cm (-1.4cm)
  • Average weight - Carlton 85.2kg vs. Brisbane 87.6kg (-2.4kg)
Medians:
  • Median games played - Carlton 63 vs. Brisbane 59 (+4 games)
  • Median age - Carlton 25.04 vs. Brisbane 23.85 (+1.19 years)
  • Median height - Carlton 186cm vs. Brisbane 187cm (-1cm)
  • Median weight - Carlton 86kg vs. Brisbane 85kg (+1kg)
I miss Hodgey🙁
 

Jivlain

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  • (0 to 10 games - Hawthorn 1 vs. Brisbane 1)
  • 0 to 24 games - Hawthorn 1 vs. Brisbane 2
  • 25 to 49 games - Hawthorn 2 vs. Brisbane 4
  • 50 to 99 games - Hawthorn 6 vs. Brisbane 6
  • 100 to 199 games - Hawthorn 8 vs. Brisbane 8
  • 200+ games - Hawthorn 5 vs. Brisbane 2
Means:
  • Average games played - Hawthorn 142.4 vs. Brisbane 97.1 (+45.3 games)
  • Average age - Hawthorn 28.1 vs. Brisbane 25.4 (+2.7 years)
  • Average height - Hawthorn 187.6cm vs. Brisbane 188.6cm (-1cm)
  • Average weight - Hawthorn 87.3kg vs. Brisbane 88.2kg (-0.9kg)
Medians:
  • Median games played - Hawthorn 155.5 vs. Brisbane 85 (+70.5 games)
  • Median age - Hawthorn 28.64 vs. Brisbane 25.22 (+3.42 years)
  • Median height - Hawthorn 186cm vs. Brisbane 187cm (-1cm)
  • Median weight - Hawthorn 85kg vs. Brisbane 86kg (-1kg)
 

Dlions

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  • (0 to 10 games - Hawthorn 1 vs. Brisbane 1)
  • 0 to 24 games - Hawthorn 1 vs. Brisbane 2
  • 25 to 49 games - Hawthorn 2 vs. Brisbane 4
  • 50 to 99 games - Hawthorn 6 vs. Brisbane 6
  • 100 to 199 games - Hawthorn 8 vs. Brisbane 8
  • 200+ games - Hawthorn 5 vs. Brisbane 2
Means:
  • Average games played - Hawthorn 142.4 vs. Brisbane 97.1 (+45.3 games)
  • Average age - Hawthorn 28.1 vs. Brisbane 25.4 (+2.7 years)
  • Average height - Hawthorn 187.6cm vs. Brisbane 188.6cm (-1cm)
  • Average weight - Hawthorn 87.3kg vs. Brisbane 88.2kg (-0.9kg)
Medians:
  • Median games played - Hawthorn 155.5 vs. Brisbane 85 (+70.5 games)
  • Median age - Hawthorn 28.64 vs. Brisbane 25.22 (+3.42 years)
  • Median height - Hawthorn 186cm vs. Brisbane 187cm (-1cm)
  • Median weight - Hawthorn 85kg vs. Brisbane 86kg (-1kg)
Average age of Hawks 28.1yrs😳
 

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