Carbine Chaos
#42 Harry and Harv #24
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So what exactly were the medical team thinking in allowing Lycett to play against the Dogs?
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Absolutely ridiculous, with Brown in the team too haha! Laughable
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Sounds like Lycett gave them the ok. Its the old Scott Selwood situation. Player says they are right to go when they really aren't.
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Gee you're probably right but you'd hope a professional would have the nous to use their own judgement. They should be fired if this was how it happened!
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Depends what is wrong with his knee. If it structurally seemed ok then it would come down to if he wanted to play through the soreness which he did. Maybe we skimped on the scans.
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Pretty sure he got a knock on it in game?
As I said earlier, feels fine until you get hit on it.
As I said earlier, feels fine until you get hit on it.
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It happens every now and then. When drill bits break it is purely accidental and they are usually left there as it would cause more damage trying to remove them. It is no different really to leaving a screw insitu.
Some people are just opportunistic when it comes to legal action against doctors as often their insurance pays out to avoid a more expensive court case.
I don't know what your problem with Perth doctors is. I personally work with surgeons who are world leaders in their fields, and they happen to live and work in Perth. We aren't some third world country.
Ahhh so you left the drill bit there?
Nah mate, got him on the Lite n Easy recovery plan.
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It's outright negligence
Great to see Lysett if of to Melbourne for the best available.
I have no issue with Perth doctors as such - I do have an issue with the club not using the best available.
Seek wise advice for independent sports specialists - not from surgeons. Reports into surgeons are all over the web. Terms like 'toxic culture' have not emerged for a reason. It is an incestuous self protecting culture that bullies and harasses others and operates as an absolute closed shop. The fish bowl of WA is the ideal environment for this medoiocracy to fester. Google any of the key words but if you are in the game you will know.
My experience is that good advice in Perth will generally be get out of Perth for Surgery. And no I am not detailing family members and their medical history as evidence.
My point is that the club has the money and it should be used , as in the Lysett case & Fyfe, to ensure the best is available.
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I have worked in operating theatres for 20 years. Like every profession ever there are good and bad operators, however the standards in Australia are excellent.
I currently work with amazing surgeons who are world leaders in their field as I said before, they have worked in several different countries in the past and now practice in Perth.
The closed shop you talk about sounds like something from many years ago. The hospital I work at currently has vigorous peer reviews and a few surgeons have been asked to leave the hospital as a result of these. The standards set and expected of the surgeons themselves are very high.
I do work in a private hospital though and the same doctors have many "interesting" dicussions about what goes on in the public sector. I will not be letting my private health insurance lapse anytime soon!
Also just be aware of who is writing the reports on the web and their motivations. I was interested to see a patient I was involved with write a slamming report on a bariatric surgeon as they got a leak post gastric sleeve. Funnily enough he seemed to blame the surgery and no mention was made that he ate fish and chips five days post op (a huge no-no that would have been well discussed pre op when going through the post op diet orders).
The surgeon has no come back in this instance as any comments they might make in such a forum is a breach of confidentiality
I currently work with amazing surgeons who are world leaders in their field as I said before, they have worked in several different countries in the past and now practice in Perth.
The closed shop you talk about sounds like something from many years ago. The hospital I work at currently has vigorous peer reviews and a few surgeons have been asked to leave the hospital as a result of these. The standards set and expected of the surgeons themselves are very high.
I do work in a private hospital though and the same doctors have many "interesting" dicussions about what goes on in the public sector. I will not be letting my private health insurance lapse anytime soon!
Also just be aware of who is writing the reports on the web and their motivations. I was interested to see a patient I was involved with write a slamming report on a bariatric surgeon as they got a leak post gastric sleeve. Funnily enough he seemed to blame the surgery and no mention was made that he ate fish and chips five days post op (a huge no-no that would have been well discussed pre op when going through the post op diet orders).
The surgeon has no come back in this instance as any comments they might make in such a forum is a breach of confidentiality
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You sound well informed, so a quick google (first three under 'culture surgeon') will not surprise you. Its about culture and honesty. Who do we trust - my point still is get good independent advice.
http://www.abc.net.au/news/2015-09-10/damning-report-reveals-bullying-harassment-among-surgeons/6763490
http://theconversation.com/surgeons-take-a-scalpel-to-their-own-toxic-culture-47350
http://www.smh.com.au/national/bullying-endemic-among-surgeons-but-victims-too-scared-to-speak-up-report-finds-20150909-gjiuxl.html
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These reports are Australia wide though? Not specific to Perth.
I don't have a problem with seeking the best available, in fact I would expect it as a duty of care from our club. The only problem I had is people thinking the best available couldn't possibly be practicing in Perth.
I don't have a problem with seeking the best available, in fact I would expect it as a duty of care from our club. The only problem I had is people thinking the best available couldn't possibly be practicing in Perth.
Well based on patient evidence - they couldn't. The key is it is a closed shop so you have to go outside to get the right advice - Fyfe did and Lysett did as do some I know personally. We are not talking earth shattering surgery either.
as the wealthiest club WC must be above this rubbish and only settle for the best. Fair to say footballers generally only get a limited range of surgery so it is not a global issue
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What you say about Perth applies equally to Australia as a whole. Closed shop, some need to go elsewhere for the best care. In fact I would say Australia as a whole is more a closed Shop than Perth.
Also, what patient evidence do you refer to, patients generally only give evidence when things go bad, go to Melbourne, discuss surgeries with disgruntled patients, you will get exactly the same picture.
Maybe we should all go to the USA for healthcare, it is the most open of shops.
Of course, despite being more expensive, it does worse on almost every healthcare metric than we do, so?
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evidence - people with problems who are told by informed doctors to go east and not have surgery in Perth (we do respect privacy here). Look at top players, where do top RL players in Sydney go?
Aust more closed that Perth, well open your eyes. Problem is you have to be outside to see it or it looks normal. Even the college of surgeons can see that.
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Think you are just clutching at straws!. There are Cowboys in most industries throughout the world and word of mouth is the best referral whether you live in Perth, Sydney, Melbourne or New York. I have worked in the Medical industry also and I have heard the Surgeon who operated on Nic is highly recommended and has had training and practised overseas. So to say one must go east as in Lycetts case does not necessarily make all Surgeons over east more capable. I'm sure the Club did their due diligence in both cases.
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here is another one - even the poms are on to your mates.
http://careers.bmj.com/careers/advi...remains_big_problem_in_Australia,_study_finds
The eagles must be professional enough to get the best independent advice.
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