Ins and Outs Vs Melbourne

[ksardog]

out fraser for sure and medhurst if not fit. dawes to come in giving us 3 guys to rotate through ruck if needed and wouldnt mind seeing rounds get his first game. his form in the reserves has been good and be nice to get some game time into him.

 

[Boris the Contradiction]

Italicized originally posted by Heritier 09

i read it all champ.

No you didn't. Otherwise you would have realised that in the most part, I agreed with you.

and i took issue with you having a go at maxwell's form. he has never had form in one on one contests with beefcakes. and therefore he is not in bad form.

You just contradicted yourself and there is your problem. "He has never had form in one on one contests with beefcakes." You are completely right. He is playing on beef cakes at the moment and has no form.

Just because he shouldn't be playing as a one on one defender and he would most likely be playing well if he wasn't, it doesn't mean he is playing well automatically. He SHOULD be playing in a different role and he WOULD be playing better if he was but he ISN'T playing that role and he ISN'T playing well. If Presti played in the midfield and had one touch and gave away 12 free kicks it would be a brain explosion from the coach and in no way would it be Presti's fault. How you can turn around afterwards and say he played well though................

given up 14 goals has he? this last 2 weeks? i don't believe you, it's not that many, you're lying to make yourself look good. you could point to him having been 3rd man up and saving the other backmen from embarrassment many more times then 14 this past two weeks. him throwing his body at tackles and contests preventing numerous goals. and you could also argue that when he gets involved in a chain, it becomes a scoring chain.

It may not be 14 but I read somewhere in here that he has had 6 and 8 kicked on him over the last 2 weeks. I didn't watch the entire game versus the dogs as I had a gig that afternoon but just off the top of my head I can say he had at least 5 kicked directly against him versus the Lions. 3 of Fev's goals and 2 of Brown's goals were when Max was their direct opponent. That's just off the top of my head. He hasn't been playing 3rd man up. We have been using Reid more in that role and Max has been playing 1 on 1 roles. Why? ....well I don't know....but he hasn't been playing his regular role lately.

he has never been the player you're looking for. so its a selection issue. not a form one.

I laughed when I read this one.

From the start I have been saying exactly this. It is a selection issue.
Maybe if you'd read my posts as you say you have been you would realised that we entirely agree.

this is the captain of our great club. and i stick by my ease up comment, because you should ease up. if anything i'm sorry that i'm directing it at you, and not just laying this down for every fool in the "maxwell needs to lift" thread.

I never said he needed to lift. I said he is playing badly in a foreign role and that he should be reinstated to his regular role. That's all I said.

Until you start reading the posts that you are commenting on then you are the nuff nuff. I have agreed with 90% of what you have been saying, yet you disagree....hmmm....

fair dinkum, this bloke has come off the rookie list, to replace BURNS, who replaced BUCKLEY, and captain the best club in the world,
and a year after being bashed from pillar to post, forum to forum for being appointed. "the worst captain in the league" etc etc. blah blah
the bloke stands at half back flank in the AA side.

Max has done very well and has done it from a long way back . I also agree that he is a very good captain and that he deserved his all australian jumper. He won that jumper playing in a role he was suited to though. The one he is playing at the moment is hurting his form. His role is hurting the team as well and it will continue to do so until he is re-instated to his main role.

and he's the same player this year as he was last year. its just that you, and the nuff nuffs, are looking for daicos and buckleys love child.
he's just nick maxwell.

He is the same player, he is playing differently though.
I am not looking for Nathan Buckley, I am looking for the Nick Maxwell that played last year. In fact I think our coach is looking for Matthew Scarlett when he has (a better version of) Tom Harley.

I ask for nothing more than for Nick Maxwell to start playing the role that Nick Maxwell plays well and until you understand that then you are the biggest nuff nuff in here. I have said it enough times by now.

 

[Heritier 09]

I didn't watch the entire game versus the dogs

This.
He's rotating through blokes. has played on blokes at times (the team doesn't play well at these times)
and has played his usual way, and in tandem with Harry O and heater, begins every counter punch.
not bad form. same as always. i'm not contradicting myself. form doesn't play a part when there is no basic skill.

 

[YouIdiot]

Italicized originally posted by Heritier 09

The quote function called, it wants its job back.

 

[Boris the Contradiction]

This.
He's rotating through blokes. has played on blokes at times (the team doesn't play well at these times)
and has played his usual way, and in tandem with Harry O and heater, begins every counter punch.
not bad form. same as always. i'm not contradicting myself. form doesn't play a part when there is no basic skill.

Yet Lockyer came into the side, played a role he hasn't played for a couple of seasons, played badly and was universally criticised for poor form??

To me form is form. There might be reasons for it and it might be justifiable but bad form doesn't become good form because a player "lacks the skills" to play a particular role. We're not going to get anywhere though so I guess we'll just have to agree to disagree

The quote function called, it wants its job back.

This quote function?

As I was replying to each section of the quote individually I figured it would look cluttered if I put it in a quote box. Point taken though..

 

[Rooosterboy]

The Age is reporting another Magpie injury in training today, anyone heard who?

 

[PieBeast]

Apparently its a mid

 

[Wooljay]

http://news.theage.com.au/breaking-...pie-forced-out-with-injury-20100611-y2ay.html

Sounds pretty definite.

 

[bloods01]

Was it a closed session? Any ideas who it is?

 

[half_back_flank]

If it is a mid, it's really bad news. Midfield has already been weakened by Ball injuring his groin, i just hope it isn't one Pendles or Swan.

 

[pieman123]

Please dont be Pendles

 

[banana_bus]

Surely on of you guys knows who it is?

 

[PieBeast]

O'Bree , Dick is in

 

[TheGreatGrundy]

The quote function called, it wants its job back.

Quite witty!

 

[mattys123]

Dicky's back, WOO HOO, even if it is only as an emergency, it shows he is close to returning.

And let's face it, if you could pick one of the 25 players to have a mishap at training, O'Bree would be the leading contender.

Put Beams or Sidey in the middle, play Lockyer at half forward, and there's Luke Ball's cover, especially against a young midfield like Melbournes.

 

[TheGreatGrundy]

O'Bree , Dick is in

When you say 'Dick is in' I assume you mean the extended bench rather than the 22? Out of any injury news, this is the best possible result i.e. O'Bree.

 

[YouIdiot]

When you say 'Dick is in' I assume you mean the extended bench rather than the 22? Out of any injury news, this is the best possible result i.e. O'Bree.

I thought he was just letting us know he is having a good afternoon...

 

[TradeDraft]

Dicky's back, WOO HOO, even if it is only as an emergency, it shows he is close to returning.

And let's face it, if you could pick one of the 25 players to have a mishap at training, O'Bree would be the leading contender.

Put Beams or Sidey in the middle, play Lockyer at half forward, and there's Luke Ball's cover, especially against a young midfield like Melbournes.

True with the Young Mid's of the Dees we can get away with no having Big Bodies in the Midfield

 

[PieBeast]

I thought he was just letting us know he is having a good afternoon...

Close, but in fact i was just letting everybody know that i was having a good life.....

 

[Quicky]

O'Bree , Dick is in

Do you have a source? If thats true it may be best case scenario for us. Beams and Rusty more midfield roles and either Lockyer and Dick small forwards. I'd favour Brad because of his defensive pressure.

 

[skill1414]

Shane O'Bree pulled up sore in training and was withdrawn from Monday's squad with Brad Dick coming into the 25-man squad.

From the collingwood_fc twitter http://twitter.com/Collingwood_FC

 

[Porkaspies09]

wow pretty weird that obree is out, i read somewhere on this board that they want obree to get injured at training lol, its sad but good to see dick back hopefully

 

[Invigoration]

Beams will play on ball, Dick will slot into a forward pocket.

Be very surprised if Dicky doesn't play.

 

[sunnyTEE]

With no Bally or Cheese for the pies and Melbourne without McDonald I'm hoping Bailey tries to gain an advantage by playing an underdone Jones.

 

[HFF]

Whilst it is sad to be saying this, this was clearly a best case scenario.

O'Bree is expendible and we won't miss much from his omission. In fact, he is no longer best 25 anymore.