When our ‘press’ was so effective JK, JD and Cripps would exert tremendous pressure. All are older or less interested in doing so now. Add to that Ryan’s flying in packs against the big guys instead of staying down to crumb or tackle. Then the midfield is either off the pace or off the park. And we bomb into the forward line which is ineffective against the chaos game. Collectively it means we haven’t adapted. Plan A brought us a flag. But it’s out of date.
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In the dying minute or so of the 2018 GF Shuey got the ball maybe 60m out somewhere near CHF. My reading of what he did may be wrong but I thought instead of going for goal - where a point was the most likely outcome and thus give the ball to Collingwood- he went for the pocket.
This gave us the best chance of holding it in or taking it out of bounds thus running the clock down. If so it was incredibly smart.
Altogether different if he’d been well within range. But he wasn’t and how often have you seen a greedy or overly optimistic player have a shot for it just to be punched through? Thus giving the opposition the chance to quickly go coast to coast.
No, that was when he kicked to Darling in the goal square and the rubber-chested buffoon dropped it.
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Shuey to Darling was from the bounce after Sheeds goal
Shuey to the pocket was when he marked Brayden 'I was blocked' Maynard's terrible attempt at a barrel from the kick out after the rushed behind.
Shuey to the pocket was when he marked Brayden 'I was blocked' Maynard's terrible attempt at a barrel from the kick out after the rushed behind.
Was reminded of this
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The moment that summed up Eric Mackenzie
It was a selfless, determined act that helped West Coast to a stunning extra-time win over Port Adelaide in last season’s elimination final at Adelaide Oval.
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woeful article and logic..
Oscar has been injured all year..But not playing him now is apparently tanking
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I wouldn't even use the Worst as fuel for a fire.
I would LOVE to know what makes them think we're tanking besides the classic 'They look good on paper' argument. We are simply rubbish with zero luck when it comes to injuries and Covid protocols.
Most of our better players haven't had a pre season in like three years. Cheers, medical staff.
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I'd say it's the putting players in for surgery in round 10 that makes it look like a tank.
Article about Chris Lewis
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The day Indigenous AFL star turned off the TV in disgust
When Chris Lewis heard the boos for Adam Goodes from West Coast fans, the two-time premiership Eagle and Indigenous pioneer footballer turned off his television.
So Duffield is arguing for the club to be privately owned?
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Anyone got the text of the paywalled article so I can get even more pissed off?
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Nic Nat F&S incoming
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BABY NAITANUI: Nic and Brittany announce pregnancy
In an exclusive interview and photo shoot in Sunday’s STM, the expectant parents share their joy at the exciting new chapter in their lives.
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I immediatly asked my wife 'how tall is his partner'?Nic Nat F&S incoming
BABY NAITANUI: Nic and Brittany announce pregnancy
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Well, don't leave me hanging
Article in today's West by Bluey.
What does West Coast need?
Given the recent “all in” nature of trading picks for players, topping up an already aging list, the plight of West Coast right now means they will have to turn shrewdly to the draft to right their wrongs.
Given both West Coast AFL and WAFL teams sit at the wrong end of the ladder I’m not sure hot West Aussie talent will be rushing to get home to do some heavy lifting and having holidays in September.
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I’m sure list managers and recruiters will have to be centre stage to orchestrate West Coast rise from the abyss.
Recruiters will know how strong the next few drafts are, full of dynamic mid fielders, mobile rucks or tall backs or forwards, which can determine who you can select.
My simple philosophy is draft small – trade tall.
Generally speaking, there are a lot more midfield types, so take the best available kid, got some grunt, skills, clean under pressure.
Naturally through the draft process which is not an exact science all your midfield types don’t end up playing in the midfield as your list develops over time – Corey Enright turned out as a reasonable half-back flanker (six times All-Australian) but played predominantly as a mid for most of his juniors.
You can take a tall early if he is rated highly in the draft but be prepared to be patient because they take time.
The big kids who play up against other kids naturally struggle when they play up against a key position eight-year veteran in the AFL.
Rarely have to use their body as a junior – just the tallest tree who takes all the marks are confronted by muscle bound players, with 100 games of experience who can keep young key forwards off their leading lanes or rucks who can’t get to the drop of the ball.
Tom Hawkins is a great example of how long it takes.
Tom Hawkins is an example of a big player who took time to develop.
Steps into the Geelong nursery with multiple premiership players at training, plays the third fiddle to Cam Mooney and James Podsiadly.
Mooney retires and Hawkins steps up to take on the second-best defender after he has played 30-50 games playing on the third best.
A few years later Podsiadly retires and closer to 100 games later Tom is mentally and physically developed enough to be ready to take on the league’s best defenders.
Malcom Blight taught us up at the Gold Coast it’s the 80-20 rule which applies to most things in life and the AFL.
That is, 80 per cent of the talls and smalls drafted generally take 3-4 years to develop enough to know whether they are going to make it.
The 20 per cent like Chris Judd and Jaeger O’Meara are the rare players that hit the ground running and resemble 10-year veterans.
Multiple picks in the top 20 is will be key for West Coast over a three to four year period to spread the age of talent to build a core group of players to take you to the promise the land.
My list of targets from afar would be mids with speed, to break from stoppages and to get back and defend man or space.
West Coast’s ageing mids have done their time and won a flag but they definitely need some speed in there to spark some offence or get in the grill, defensively of the opposition.
Jack Petrucelle and Xavier O’Neil are two young players that should be exposed to the West Coast midfield to add some toe and life while Nic Nat is still getting his hand to the pill.
Naturally as young kids, they will make mistakes but, surprise surprise, the more you do things in life the more you improve.
That said, Nic Nat is closer to the end than he is from the start so investing in a quality ruck that can feed your dynamic mids is more important these days in the modern era as field position is of high importance.
Jack Petruccelle should be exposed more in the midfield.
I think we all can see how Max Gawn has helped give the Melbourne mids silver service around the ground.
So unless there is a standout in the draft like Natinui trade for one, let a club like Sydney develop them like they did with Darren Jolly (Collingwood premiership player) and Toby Nankervis (Richmond premiership).
Recruiters work in the “futures’ market while coaches work in the “now” to develop a group for wins and losses.
Then there is the board and the rest of the club that want instant success for fans, members and sponsors.
One thing that has to happen, whatever the decisions around trading, drafting or both, all parties understand the need to be patient.
Player development takes time.
It’s like building a house. Pour the slab of concrete, let the concrete cure for 60-80 games then come back and add the walls and roof.
Guy McKenna: West Coast must trade in a ruckman to help Eagles great Nic Naitanui
What does West Coast need?
Given the recent “all in” nature of trading picks for players, topping up an already aging list, the plight of West Coast right now means they will have to turn shrewdly to the draft to right their wrongs.
Given both West Coast AFL and WAFL teams sit at the wrong end of the ladder I’m not sure hot West Aussie talent will be rushing to get home to do some heavy lifting and having holidays in September.
undefined
I’m sure list managers and recruiters will have to be centre stage to orchestrate West Coast rise from the abyss.
Recruiters will know how strong the next few drafts are, full of dynamic mid fielders, mobile rucks or tall backs or forwards, which can determine who you can select.
My simple philosophy is draft small – trade tall.
Generally speaking, there are a lot more midfield types, so take the best available kid, got some grunt, skills, clean under pressure.
Naturally through the draft process which is not an exact science all your midfield types don’t end up playing in the midfield as your list develops over time – Corey Enright turned out as a reasonable half-back flanker (six times All-Australian) but played predominantly as a mid for most of his juniors.
You can take a tall early if he is rated highly in the draft but be prepared to be patient because they take time.
The big kids who play up against other kids naturally struggle when they play up against a key position eight-year veteran in the AFL.
Rarely have to use their body as a junior – just the tallest tree who takes all the marks are confronted by muscle bound players, with 100 games of experience who can keep young key forwards off their leading lanes or rucks who can’t get to the drop of the ball.
Tom Hawkins is a great example of how long it takes.
Tom Hawkins is an example of a big player who took time to develop.
Steps into the Geelong nursery with multiple premiership players at training, plays the third fiddle to Cam Mooney and James Podsiadly.
Mooney retires and Hawkins steps up to take on the second-best defender after he has played 30-50 games playing on the third best.
A few years later Podsiadly retires and closer to 100 games later Tom is mentally and physically developed enough to be ready to take on the league’s best defenders.
Malcom Blight taught us up at the Gold Coast it’s the 80-20 rule which applies to most things in life and the AFL.
That is, 80 per cent of the talls and smalls drafted generally take 3-4 years to develop enough to know whether they are going to make it.
The 20 per cent like Chris Judd and Jaeger O’Meara are the rare players that hit the ground running and resemble 10-year veterans.
Multiple picks in the top 20 is will be key for West Coast over a three to four year period to spread the age of talent to build a core group of players to take you to the promise the land.
My list of targets from afar would be mids with speed, to break from stoppages and to get back and defend man or space.
West Coast’s ageing mids have done their time and won a flag but they definitely need some speed in there to spark some offence or get in the grill, defensively of the opposition.
Jack Petrucelle and Xavier O’Neil are two young players that should be exposed to the West Coast midfield to add some toe and life while Nic Nat is still getting his hand to the pill.
Naturally as young kids, they will make mistakes but, surprise surprise, the more you do things in life the more you improve.
That said, Nic Nat is closer to the end than he is from the start so investing in a quality ruck that can feed your dynamic mids is more important these days in the modern era as field position is of high importance.
Jack Petruccelle should be exposed more in the midfield.
I think we all can see how Max Gawn has helped give the Melbourne mids silver service around the ground.
So unless there is a standout in the draft like Natinui trade for one, let a club like Sydney develop them like they did with Darren Jolly (Collingwood premiership player) and Toby Nankervis (Richmond premiership).
Recruiters work in the “futures’ market while coaches work in the “now” to develop a group for wins and losses.
Then there is the board and the rest of the club that want instant success for fans, members and sponsors.
One thing that has to happen, whatever the decisions around trading, drafting or both, all parties understand the need to be patient.
Player development takes time.
It’s like building a house. Pour the slab of concrete, let the concrete cure for 60-80 games then come back and add the walls and roof.
A well balanced article by Ryan Daniels.
Suspect it won't go down here well.
Are we done? Can we all take a deep breath? Has the footy world done enough blame-gaming and scapegoating hunting? Did the Hip-E Club get enough free plugs?
West Coast suck right now, that is undeniable. They suck harder than a Hoover.
For the past two weeks you’ve read every story about why this club has gone from brilliant to basket case, from penthouse to dog house. If their season were a relationship, it’d be Johnny Depp and Amber Heard.
undefined
In more than 100 years of footy we’ve never seen anything quite like this, the levels of decimation and disaster. The Eagles need a rebuild, reshape, reconfiguration. Even the club, at first reluctant, is now officially on the same page.
The train has left the station, but to be clear, it’s not a tank engine. West Coast aren’t good enough for that right now.
Like Woody once told Buzz Lightyear: “That’s not flying ... it’s falling with style.”
In the Eagles case, this ain’t tanking, it’s losing with calamity.
So where to?
Navigating an AFL rebuild is tricky. You’re Jennifer Connelly in Labyrinth, only instead of your baby brother, you’re searching for a premiership and instead of Goblin King David Bowie throwing constant obstacles your way, it’s the footy gods.
One wrong step and you’re swimming in the bog of eternal stench for a decade.
The keys to an efficient recovery are talent, development and culture.
Draft early, draft the right guys, then spend the necessary resources and time making sure you get full return on your investment.
Just picking good teenagers doesn’t get it done.
Case in point are reigning premiers Melbourne.
These days they’re an all-conquering juggernaut but for a while they were the laughing stock of the AFL.
Jack Watts’ time at Melbourne is proof the draft doesn’t always work.
From 2007 to 2012 Melbourne selected 12 players within the top-25 picks of the draft.
In 2007 they grabbed Cale Morton (pick 4), Jack Grimes (14) and Addam Maric (21).
In 2008 they collected Jack Watts (1), Sam Blease (17) and James Strauss (19).
In 2009 the Dees took Tom Scully and Jack Trengove with picks 1 and 2 (Dustin Martin went third, yikes). They also had picks 11 and 18, Jordan Gysberts and Luke Tapscott.
In 2010, pick 12 was used on Lucas Cook. He never played a game.
With pick 4 in 2012, the Demons selected Jimmy Toumpas. Jack Macrae and Ollie Wines went within the next three picks. That’s 12 players at an average of 52 games per pick, zero All-Australians or club champions. On a related note, the Dees played finals just once between 2007 and 2020.
All those young guys came in with big raps and high-end talent. They weren’t bad picks in the moment. The lack of strong development, guidance and leadership meant none reached anywhere near their ceiling. That kind of incompetence turns a five-year rebuild into a 15-year debacle.
You can do all the marketing for a new brand of beer, design a cool can, call it whatever you like, but if it tastes like something you scooped out of the Hip-E club urinal at 2am, no one will drink it.
Picking early doesn’t guarantee anything. It’s why you need a strong coaching unit and it’s why you need your veterans. Guys such as Luke Shuey, Jeremy McGovern and Nic Naitanui are fantastic leaders. They won’t be part of West Coast’s next premiership, but they can help build it.
Glen Jakovich retired in 2004, but make no mistake, he would’ve had a significant impact on defenders Adam Hunter and Darren Glass.
Glen Jakovich could have helped develop Darren Glass a lot quicker. Yes
If the Eagles land a powerful midfielder at the next draft, playing alongside Shuey and Elliot Yeo for a year or two would be extremely beneficial.
Throwing away club greats like trash is bad for business. It shows every player on your list that once the use by date approaches, you’ll be thrown out like old milk. A culture of treating those players with respect is crucial.
The noise will continue to be loud. Sack everyone! Trade everyone!
Good footy clubs don’t listen to the noise. They can’t operate that way. They’re built on loyalty, legacy and stability.
West Coast need to look internally. From top to bottom they must ask if each person is the right person. In a lot of cases that will be a yes, but not all.
In the meantime, start looking for talent everywhere. On your list, on WAFL lists, on other AFL lists. Hell, check the Northampton Rams just in case. Pretend you’re an eight-year-old forensically searching for coins in the couch cushions.
Eagles fans will need to put the chardonnay on ice for a while, maybe throw on the 1992 grand final and watch Peter Matera waltz his way into history. Remember, you’ve been spoilt for a long time. Four flags in 35 years, the finals have been missed just 11 times.
Grumbling about the status quo is like Ian Thorpe complaining his neck’s sore from carrying too many medals.
The next steps will be fascinating at West Coast. Difficult decisions will need to be made. Ruthless, clinical, hard work mixed with patience.
Do they have it in them?
The noise says no, but history says yes.
Suspect it won't go down here well.
Ryan Daniels: West Coast Eagles must treat champions with respect and use them to help build the next stars
Are we done? Can we all take a deep breath? Has the footy world done enough blame-gaming and scapegoating hunting? Did the Hip-E Club get enough free plugs?
West Coast suck right now, that is undeniable. They suck harder than a Hoover.
For the past two weeks you’ve read every story about why this club has gone from brilliant to basket case, from penthouse to dog house. If their season were a relationship, it’d be Johnny Depp and Amber Heard.
undefined
In more than 100 years of footy we’ve never seen anything quite like this, the levels of decimation and disaster. The Eagles need a rebuild, reshape, reconfiguration. Even the club, at first reluctant, is now officially on the same page.
The train has left the station, but to be clear, it’s not a tank engine. West Coast aren’t good enough for that right now.
Like Woody once told Buzz Lightyear: “That’s not flying ... it’s falling with style.”
In the Eagles case, this ain’t tanking, it’s losing with calamity.
So where to?
Navigating an AFL rebuild is tricky. You’re Jennifer Connelly in Labyrinth, only instead of your baby brother, you’re searching for a premiership and instead of Goblin King David Bowie throwing constant obstacles your way, it’s the footy gods.
One wrong step and you’re swimming in the bog of eternal stench for a decade.
The keys to an efficient recovery are talent, development and culture.
Draft early, draft the right guys, then spend the necessary resources and time making sure you get full return on your investment.
Just picking good teenagers doesn’t get it done.
Case in point are reigning premiers Melbourne.
These days they’re an all-conquering juggernaut but for a while they were the laughing stock of the AFL.
Jack Watts’ time at Melbourne is proof the draft doesn’t always work.
From 2007 to 2012 Melbourne selected 12 players within the top-25 picks of the draft.
In 2007 they grabbed Cale Morton (pick 4), Jack Grimes (14) and Addam Maric (21).
In 2008 they collected Jack Watts (1), Sam Blease (17) and James Strauss (19).
In 2009 the Dees took Tom Scully and Jack Trengove with picks 1 and 2 (Dustin Martin went third, yikes). They also had picks 11 and 18, Jordan Gysberts and Luke Tapscott.
In 2010, pick 12 was used on Lucas Cook. He never played a game.
With pick 4 in 2012, the Demons selected Jimmy Toumpas. Jack Macrae and Ollie Wines went within the next three picks. That’s 12 players at an average of 52 games per pick, zero All-Australians or club champions. On a related note, the Dees played finals just once between 2007 and 2020.
All those young guys came in with big raps and high-end talent. They weren’t bad picks in the moment. The lack of strong development, guidance and leadership meant none reached anywhere near their ceiling. That kind of incompetence turns a five-year rebuild into a 15-year debacle.
You can do all the marketing for a new brand of beer, design a cool can, call it whatever you like, but if it tastes like something you scooped out of the Hip-E club urinal at 2am, no one will drink it.
Picking early doesn’t guarantee anything. It’s why you need a strong coaching unit and it’s why you need your veterans. Guys such as Luke Shuey, Jeremy McGovern and Nic Naitanui are fantastic leaders. They won’t be part of West Coast’s next premiership, but they can help build it.
Glen Jakovich retired in 2004, but make no mistake, he would’ve had a significant impact on defenders Adam Hunter and Darren Glass.
Glen Jakovich could have helped develop Darren Glass a lot quicker. Yes
If the Eagles land a powerful midfielder at the next draft, playing alongside Shuey and Elliot Yeo for a year or two would be extremely beneficial.
Throwing away club greats like trash is bad for business. It shows every player on your list that once the use by date approaches, you’ll be thrown out like old milk. A culture of treating those players with respect is crucial.
The noise will continue to be loud. Sack everyone! Trade everyone!
Good footy clubs don’t listen to the noise. They can’t operate that way. They’re built on loyalty, legacy and stability.
West Coast need to look internally. From top to bottom they must ask if each person is the right person. In a lot of cases that will be a yes, but not all.
In the meantime, start looking for talent everywhere. On your list, on WAFL lists, on other AFL lists. Hell, check the Northampton Rams just in case. Pretend you’re an eight-year-old forensically searching for coins in the couch cushions.
Eagles fans will need to put the chardonnay on ice for a while, maybe throw on the 1992 grand final and watch Peter Matera waltz his way into history. Remember, you’ve been spoilt for a long time. Four flags in 35 years, the finals have been missed just 11 times.
Grumbling about the status quo is like Ian Thorpe complaining his neck’s sore from carrying too many medals.
The next steps will be fascinating at West Coast. Difficult decisions will need to be made. Ruthless, clinical, hard work mixed with patience.
Do they have it in them?
The noise says no, but history says yes.
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That article depends on whether said players are worthy of retention.
Shuey can't stay on the park. Same for Yeo. We're spending big dollars there on players who can't contribute regularly. Of course they're good enough still, but if they do stay, I would expect their contracts to be re-negotiated so they are being paid on a much lower base wage.
I don't think Gaff and Cripps are worth keeping. They don't contribute positively enough on field.
Hurn and Kennedy will probably retire anyway, so it's kind of moot there.
Shuey can't stay on the park. Same for Yeo. We're spending big dollars there on players who can't contribute regularly. Of course they're good enough still, but if they do stay, I would expect their contracts to be re-negotiated so they are being paid on a much lower base wage.
I don't think Gaff and Cripps are worth keeping. They don't contribute positively enough on field.
Hurn and Kennedy will probably retire anyway, so it's kind of moot there.
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I'm not against keeping older players. I'm against keeping older players who aren't contributing anything and/or can't stay on the park.
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