Intelligent Design or Evolution?

[RUNVS]

Evolution is just part of the understanding we have for Intelligent Design.

I believe 100% in ID.

I love how evolutionary purists conveniently over-look the incredible missing link of about 10 to 20 thousand years ago where we suddenly jumped ahead about a million years in the natural evolution curve we had seen previously.

The Earth is a nursery for souls.

How do you explain the fact that the earth is billions of years old and ID states that it is only 10,000 years old?

 

[H2F]

What the **** are you talking about?

Basically people like Karl and myself rise to the top and end up in a higher place.

 

[Richo83]

It could also be pure luck.

Luck though wouldn't imply design.

Yes, but they must have been born (designed) with those predispositions.

Evolution suggests circumstance forced us to develop those abilities, not that we had them and suceeded.

Purpose is a human concept that the rest of life largely ignores.

Try telling that to the Christians. If our evolutionary path was planned god has a weird and cruel way of designing things.

 

[H2F]

How do you explain the fact that the earth is billions of years old and ID states that it is only 10,000 years old?

My belief in ID does not come with any contradictions to evolution. It just fills in the obvious gaps ...

 

[RUNVS]

My belief in ID does not come with any contradictions to evolution. It just fills in the obvious gaps ...

But it is a contradiction. People who believe in ID believe the earth is 10,000 years old and scientists believe the world is over 4 billion years old. Both answers cant be right.

 

[H2F]

But it is a contradiction. People who believe in ID believe the earth is 10,000 years old and scientists believe the world is over 4 billion years old. Both answers cant be right.

I believe the Earth either is, or was meant to appear to be 4 billion years old. As for the 10,000 year thing I've never read that, but it would be interesting to look at given that about 10000 years ago there was some major shit going on.

Armenian history (Cimmerians) is fascinating and answers a lot of this stuff ...

 

[Dry Rot]

The Earth is a nursery for souls.

Basically people like Karl and myself rise to the top and end up in a higher place.

Jesus, I'm ****ed then....

Bugger.

 

[Richo83]

My belief in ID does not come with any contradictions to evolution. It just fills in the obvious gaps ...

1. What is this design?
2. What was this design supposed to do?

 

[Niximus]

Evolution is just part of the understanding we have for Intelligent Design.

I believe 100% in ID.

I love how evolutionary purists conveniently over-look the incredible missing link of about 10 to 20 thousand years ago where we suddenly jumped ahead about a million years in the natural evolution curve we had seen previously.

The Earth is a nursery for souls.

Evolution has no time line, there is no such thing as a million years worth of evolution, changes can take place rapidly when the right forces are in play or change can virtually cease for millions of years. i.e the crocodile.

But somehow I think you'll ignore this.

 

[H2F]

1. What is this design?

It is a nursery for souls. A much more advanced being/s have the technology to create everything we see to school new souls in the Universe.

2. What was this design supposed to do?

Souls that have the capacity are introduced into their world.

 

[Mario the Lothario]

Luck though wouldn't imply design.

It would also throw genetic superiority out the window.

Evolution suggests circumstance forced us to develop those abilities, not that we had them and suceeded.

Are you claiming that experience influences genetics?

Try telling that to the Christians. If our evolutionary path was planned god has a weird and cruel way of designing things.

I don't bother telling Christians anything, I'm usually too busy laughing. I hope this thread doesn't get hijacked with the usual Chistian/Darwin wankfest. The argument is repetitive, narrow minded and boring.

 

[Niximus]

I believe the Earth either is, or was meant to appear to be 4 billion years old. As for the 10,000 year thing I've never read that, but it would be interesting to look at given that about 10000 years ago there was some major shit going on.

Armenian history (Cimmerians) is fascinating and answers a lot of this stuff ...

One of many...

 

[Schism]

No ID 'expert' can answer the simple question who designed the designer?And who designed the designer before that?And so on...

It is a laughable concept that creationists try to console themselves with in the face of our ever expanding knowledge of the true nature of the universe.

 

[Niximus]

1. What is this design?

It is a nursery for souls. A much more advanced being/s have the technology to create everything we see to school new souls in the Universe.

2. What was this design supposed to do?

Souls that have the capacity are introduced into their world.

Who created the advanced beings?
How did you detect a these 'souls'?

 

[H2F]

Evolution has no time line, there is no such thing as a million years worth of evolution, changes can take place rapidly when the right forces are in play or change can virtually cease for millions of years. i.e the crocodile.

But somehow I think you'll ignore this.

That's absolute bullshit. Yes we know environmental factors and other catastrophic events have no doubt played roles in evolution, and in some cases expedited change, but your point is completely false.

We simply do not go from rock carrying Richmond supporters, to the people we are now overnight.

We were ****** with. Guess the big bosses got sick of us playing in the dirt or something.

 

[H2F]

No ID 'expert' can answer the simple question who designed the designer?And who designed the designer before that?And so on...

It is a laughable concept that creationists try to console themselves with in the face of our ever expanding knowledge of the true nature of the universe.

Just a question.

How are we supposed to answer that?

Logic does not give us that answer at this time.

 

[Karl Pilkington]

But it is a contradiction. People who believe in ID believe the earth is 10,000 years old and scientists believe the world is over 4 billion years old. Both answers cant be right.

You're confusing ID with religion.

Its entirely possible to believe the earth is 4 billion years old, and believe in ID.

 

[H2F]

Who created the advanced beings?

I don't know.

How did you detect a these 'souls'?

I can feel mine.

 

[Niximus]

That's absolute bullshit. Yes we know environmental factors and other catastrophic events have no doubt played roles in evolution, and in some cases expedited change, but your point is completely false.

We simply do not go from rock carrying Richmond supporters, to the people we are now overnight.

We were ****** with. Guess the big bosses got sick of us playing in the dirt or something.

No it took millions of years.

Please read up atleast a little before you start making calls like that.

 

[Mario the Lothario]

1. What is this design?

It is a nursery for souls. A much more advanced being/s have the technology to create everything we see to school new souls in the Universe.

2. What was this design supposed to do?

Souls that have the capacity are introduced into their world.

H2F, the Earth is a will to power. Go check out the movie "There Will Be Blood" for a better understanding.

BTW, thanks for bringing God in to what could have been a very promising thread. Now every self appointed "intellectual" with a superiority complex on this board is going to line up to kick you.

 

[Niximus]

Who created the advanced beings?

I don't know.

How did you detect a these 'souls'?

I can feel mine.

How would it feel different to not have one?

 

[Karl Pilkington]

Who created the advanced beings?
How did you detect a these 'souls'?

Playing Devil's advocate here but its entirely possible the designers are eternal, in fact, its possible that we are eternal.

Not sure what you're asking with the second question.

 

[Schism]

Just a question.

How are we supposed to answer that?

Logic does not give us that answer at this time.

You answer it with the same leap of faith (which ties ID to religion forever,despite what Karl says) and strange anti-logic that you use to assert the existence of a designer in the first place.

 

[Niximus]

Basically people like Karl and myself rise to the top and end up in a higher place.

BTW, thanks for bringing God in to what could have been a very promising thread. Now every self appointed "intellectual" with a superiority complex on this board is going to line up to kick you.

Yes, we're the ones with a superiority complex...

 

[H2F]

H2F, the Earth is a will to power. Go check out the movie "There Will Be Blood" for a better understanding.

BTW, thanks for bringing God in to what could have been a very promising thread. Now every self appointed "intellectual" with a superiority complex on this board is going to line up to kick you.

People who do not believe in a higher being are just plain ridiculous. This higher being is what we call GOD.

If you want to talk about the origins of us humans and the Universe it will require talking about it's creator.

Sorry but a big bang for no reason and with no creator of this bang, just contradicts everything we knew before about 10000 years ago when we were ****** with.