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Originally posted by Wayne's-World
Adelaide has to get 1 or 2 top ten draft picks to get the type of quality player it needs. And it willl need to trade agressively to get those picks.
I don't think that will happen. There is no good trade bait to get a couple of top 10 picks.

Who would you trade out of our group to get a top 10 pick. The only way we will get a top 10 pick is if we are to finish outside the 8 or 8th overall (like freo did last year)

The rebuilding that we will go through will be over the period of 2-3 years which would mean that we will probably get 2-3 top 10 picks. If we are smart with our drafting and recruiting we will be back up in a period of 2-3 years but if we keep trading these picks for experinced players we will be mediocre.

Maybe we will get a top 10 pick this year.
 

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Stiffy, stop searching for a fight. I was just pointing out a light irony. And you were how should we put it...less than impressed...at Krueger's drafting, whatever it was for.

So I find it funny, even if you WEREN'T unhappy about his drafting, that you'd call an 8 SANFL-gamer a future good to very good player already.
 

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Thread starter #28
Originally posted by Stiffy_18
I don't think that will happen. There is no good trade bait to get a couple of top 10 picks.

Who would you trade out of our group to get a top 10 pick. The only way we will get a top 10 pick is if we are to finish outside the 8 or 8th overall (like freo did last year)

The rebuilding that we will go through will be over the period of 2-3 years which would mean that we will probably get 2-3 top 10 picks. If we are smart with our drafting and recruiting we will be back up in a period of 2-3 years but if we keep trading these picks for experinced players we will be mediocre.

Maybe we will get a top 10 pick this year.
If the Angwin experience had worked out better, then you all wouldn't be quite talking this way atm.
It's not as if either Adelaide team has had too many top 10 picks.

The biggest difference is that Port has recruited well lower down the order, and thus has had "trade bait" to trade for them.
 
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Originally posted by PAfolwr


The biggest difference is that Port has recruited well lower down the order, and thus has had "trade bait" to trade for them.
The Brooks trade last year was excellent stuff by Port.
Adelaide have never traded that astutely:eek: sorry does the Burns trade qualify?

Didn't you end up with Salopek in the Brooks trade?
 

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Originally posted by Wayne's-World
The Brooks trade last year was excellent stuff by Port.
Adelaide have never traded that astutely:eek: sorry does the Burns trade qualify?

Didn't you end up with Salopek in the Brooks trade?
Yep.
Got pick 8 for Brooks, upgraded to 6 eventually.
 

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#31
Originally posted by spindoctor
Stiffy, stop searching for a fight. I was just pointing out a light irony. And you were how should we put it...less than impressed...at Krueger's drafting, whatever it was for.

So I find it funny, even if you WEREN'T unhappy about his drafting, that you'd call an 8 SANFL-gamer a future good to very good player already.
I think the point was made that we still could have got Krueger at a later pck and maybe got some seemingly better value for no 31.

I guess time will tell.
 
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#33
Originally posted by Stiffy_18
I don't think that will happen. There is no good trade bait to get a couple of top 10 picks.

Who would you trade out of our group to get a top 10 pick. The only way we will get a top 10 pick is if we are to finish outside the 8 or 8th overall (like freo did last year)
You have to give something to get something, so heres my list:
Biglands
Biglands
Biglands

McGregor
Burton
Welsh

And coming in as an outsider:
Carey
Burns;)
 
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#35
Originally posted by Porthos
Brooks for Salopek and part of Byron Pickett in fact.
A good example of some astute recruiting - i'm full of admiration for the Power recruiting.
The recruit well, give solid grounding in SANFL - Adelaide could take a leaf out of their book.
I can't remember the last agressive trade for a draft pick (and I'm not talking round 2 or 3)
 

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#40
Originally posted by Wayne's-World
You have to give something to get something, so heres my list:
Biglands
Biglands
Biglands

McGregor
Burton
Welsh

And coming in as an outsider:
Carey
Burns;)
There's not much to trade in that list.

We won't trade Biglands. We had to scour the nation to dig up hudson to give us a viable 3rd rucking option. No way will they go back to 2 options only.

As for McGregor, that's madness. We've got 1 KPP who you can count on week after week, and only 1, and that's McGregor. he won't get traded.

Burton - tradeable, and should bring a decent result.

Welsh - possibly, but not both Burton and Welsh.

Carey and Burns - zero residual value.
 

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#41
Originally posted by Crow-mosone
and who would really know?
Absolutely - it still to some degree is a bit of a lottery -especially when you consider the current plight of out former top pick LA.

Generally though the top dozen or so usually prove to be good choices - its those 20-50 picks that seem to become more crucial in how they turn out, apart from smart trading of course!
 

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Thread starter #44
Originally posted by Crow-mosone
By the way, just how is Michael Stevens these days?
He wasn't exactly the only early pick of ours that failed, but then again, that wasn't what the conversation was about. :rolleyes:
 
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#45
Originally posted by macca23
There's not much to trade in that list.

We won't trade Biglands. We had to scour the nation to dig up hudson to give us a viable 3rd rucking option. No way will they go back to 2 options only.

As for McGregor, that's madness. We've got 1 KPP who you can count on week after week, and only 1, and that's McGregor. he won't get traded.

Burton - tradeable, and should bring a decent result.

Welsh - possibly, but not both Burton and Welsh.

Carey and Burns - zero residual value.
I made the very carefully selected choices based on this premise:
If I want to recruit a potentail game winning player, who would I need to give up.
Biglands, McGregor,Burton and Welsh have appeal in that the first 2 are bigmen and always in demand by clubs. But they are not game winners and are replaceable.
Burton and Welsh can play very good games, but they both have downsides, Burton in disposal and decision making, Welsh being injury prone.
Question: if you could get a Bradley, Tenace, Sylvia, Cooney, would you be prepared to give up one of these players?
 

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Originally posted by Wayne's-World
Question: if you could get a Bradley, Tenace, Sylvia, Cooney, would you be prepared to give up one of these players?
One of those players??? Yes (as long as its not McGregor or Welshy :p) BUT the club thats trading for that player will not give us a pick high enough to get the likes of players that you mentioned.
 

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Burton has dodgy disposal and not a very good footy brain. However, I still claim that he is best close to goals because he is very difficult to match up on. He is so unpredictalbe that Birdman himself doesn't have a clue of what he will do next.

I believe that Burton leading out of the goal square can kick you 50 goals a season. I think we get sucked in with his aerobic capacity. HIs is so fit that we think it will be a waste if we don't play him further up the field. I strongly disagree because he can still use that in the forward line. He has the ability to run his defender off his feet in the forward line.
 
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#49
Originally posted by Stiffy_18
One of those players??? Yes (as long as its not McGregor or Welshy :p) BUT the club thats trading for that player will not give us a pick high enough to get the likes of players that you mentioned.
What do you think those players are worth, 4, 5, or 6?
Mcgregor, is always going to be a workhorse, not a star. His maximum trade value is now, Hentshell IMO and yours will be a very good CHB. Trade him now and get a potential game winning player.
 
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#50
Originally posted by Stiffy_18
Burton has dodgy disposal and not a very good footy brain. However, I still claim that he is best close to goals because he is very difficult to match up on. He is so unpredictalbe that Birdman himself doesn't have a clue of what he will do next.

I believe that Burton leading out of the goal square can kick you 50 goals a season. I think we get sucked in with his aerobic capacity. HIs is so fit that we think it will be a waste if we don't play him further up the field. I strongly disagree because he can still use that in the forward line. He has the ability to run his defender off his feet in the forward line.
The problem is eventually to trade for high draft picks, you have to give someone of reasonable quality, who is not in the Goodwin , Roo, Macleod calibre.
These players are in that tier of players.
 
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