Interesting comments out of Geelong way

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#51
Originally posted by Stiffy_18
I believe that Burton leading out of the goal square can kick you 50 goals a season. I think we get sucked in with his aerobic capacity. HIs is so fit that we think it will be a waste if we don't play him further up the field. I strongly disagree because he can still use that in the forward line. He has the ability to run his defender off his feet in the forward line.
Agree 100%

Burton playing well close to goal adds an excitement edge to our game which can help to create that extra passion and develop the momentum that is necessary to win a match. I think he and Carey could complement ech other if they started close to goals.

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Originally posted by Crow-mosone
By the way, just how is Michael Stevens these days?
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I think we are more interested in Mark Stevens!
 

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#52
Originally posted by Wayne's-World
What do you think those players are worth, 4, 5, or 6?
Mcgregor, is always going to be a workhorse, not a star. His maximum trade value is now, Hentshell IMO and yours will be a very good CHB. Trade him now and get a potential game winning player.
I don't think that either of the players that you listed are worth a top 10 pick
 

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#53
Originally posted by dezzmo
Agree 100%

Burton playing well close to goal adds an excitement edge to our game which can help to create that extra passion and develop the momentum that is necessary to win a match. I think he and Carey could complement ech other if they started close to goals.
Nail. Hammer. Head.

Burton can do a freakish thing when close to goal that can potentially really spark the side. Generally when he plays on the wing he doesn't have those "sparking" moments. Yes he was fantastic on the wing last year BUT he is of greater value to the club when he is closer to goal especially when we haven't kicked 100p in a game for a hell of a long time.
 
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#54
Originally posted by Stiffy_18
I don't think that either of the players that you listed are worth a top 10 pick
If IYO other clubs wouldnt give up a top 10 draft pick for them, why would we be so hellbent on not trading them? seems strange logic, as you protect what everone else wants.
 

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#55
Originally posted by Wayne's-World
If IYO other clubs wouldnt give up a top 10 draft pick for them, why would we be so hellbent on not trading them? seems strange logic, as you protect what everone else wants.
Because I think they are of higher value to our side.

I think the likes of Burton or Welsh are worth a 1st round draft pick but not a top 10 draft pick.
 
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#56
Originally posted by Stiffy_18
Because I think they are of higher value to our side.

I think the likes of Burton or Welsh are worth a 1st round draft pick but not a top 10 draft pick.
Gee if Port can get pick 8 for Barry Brooks (and in turn Salopek), surely Welsh and Burton are better value?
 

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#57
Originally posted by Wayne's-World
Gee if Port can get pick 8 for Barry Brooks (and in turn Salopek), surely Welsh and Burton are better value?
Huh but you missed the point of the Brooks trade.

The year before Barry Brooks was widely considered as a top 10 pick in the strongest draft ever and general opinion was that Port got a steal with Brooks. The following year Saints traded Spider to Hawks and needed a young ruckman who could play an odd AFL game if needed. Saints were a big wrap for Brooks and generally ruckmen have higher value in terms of trading. Saints were desperate for a young ruckman and really liked Brooks so they paid a fair price for him. General opinion was that if Brooks was in the draft pool at the time of the trade, he would have gone in the top 10.

Thats the MAJOR difference ;)
 
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#58
Originally posted by Stiffy_18
Huh but you missed the point of the Brooks trade.

The year before Barry Brooks was widely considered as a top 10 pick in the strongest draft ever and general opinion was that Port got a steal with Brooks. The following year Saints traded Spider to Hawks and needed a young ruckman who could play an odd AFL game if needed. Saints were a big wrap for Brooks and generally ruckmen have higher value in terms of trading. Saints were desperate for a young ruckman and really liked Brooks so they paid a fair price for him. General opinion was that if Brooks was in the draft pool at the time of the trade, he would have gone in the top 10.

Thats the MAJOR difference ;)
Not the first time judges have been wrong.
I know hes had a knee injury, but have you seen anything in his performances to suggest he is still worth a top 10 draft pick.
And if the argument is thta ruckman have higher value, come on down Mr Biglands and McGregor. I'm sure Geelong would be interested, and Carlton, and Bulldogs....
You see we, as a club, hold onto average players, whereas the good clubs move good players on, inreturn for even better players.
Thats how you improve and regenerate your list.
 

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#59
Originally posted by Wayne's-World
Not the first time judges have been wrong.
I know hes had a knee injury, but have you seen anything in his performances to suggest he is still worth a top 10 draft pick.
I actually thought that he played a handful of very good game for North Adelaide in his 1st season on AFL list.

Talls generally take longer to develop. Brooks is no different.

I doubt Port would have traded Brooks if they didn't have a great depth in their ruck. Remember they had Primus, Lade, Brogan and French as ruckman and Akland as a back up.

Compare that to Clarke (who will retire at the end of the year), Biglands, Hudson and not much more.

HUGE difference.
 

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#62
Originally posted by Crow-mosone
depends on the year, all drafts are not created equal.

witness 1995 + 2000 as an example.
Absolutely. I was refering more in "general" terms. The pick that we would get for one of those players will greatly depend on the depth of the draft and whether or not we could get as good, if not a better player.
 

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Originally posted by Stiffy_18
Huh but you missed the point of the Brooks trade.

The year before Barry Brooks was widely considered as a top 10 pick in the strongest draft ever and general opinion was that Port got a steal with Brooks. The following year Saints traded Spider to Hawks and needed a young ruckman who could play an odd AFL game if needed. Saints were a big wrap for Brooks and generally ruckmen have higher value in terms of trading. Saints were desperate for a young ruckman and really liked Brooks so they paid a fair price for him. General opinion was that if Brooks was in the draft pool at the time of the trade, he would have gone in the top 10.

Thats the MAJOR difference ;)
That's pretty much it.
Having a good deep list has allowed us to pick the "best available" player at the time for a few years now.
That in turn has created a surplus in some areas (ruck wrt Brooks) and if anybody wants one of them, we are guaranteed value for money..
The opposite to that is what happened with Stevens last year.

Just shows that when the draft comes around, people look for potential young players, and with Brooks we got his "potential young player" market value.

Thus for value you need
1. A good preferably young player
2. Somebody desperate for that player more than you are
2. Be able to afford to part with that player.

Do the ones mentioned fit all three categories?
 

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#65
Originally posted by Wayne's-World
And if the argument is thta ruckman have higher value, come on down Mr Biglands and McGregor. I'm sure Geelong would be interested, and Carlton, and Bulldogs....
*cough*Ian Perrie*cough*
 

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#66
Originally posted by ****
*cough*Ian Perrie*cough*
A year too late ;)

macca23 and myself were willing to part with Perrie during trade period. We would have got a late 1st rounder or early 2nd rounder for him. At the end of this year we would be lucky to get a 3rd rounder.
 

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#67
Originally posted by Stiffy_18
A year too late ;)
Yep

macca23 and myself were willing to part with Perrie during trade period.
You can add me to that list.

Unfortunately with Carey and Stevens finishing up Perrie will be our main man. We're stuck with him now. No doubt we will be trading away our 1st rounder to recruit a tall forward to give Perrie some assistance. Unless Watts or Hentschel can produce a miracle. Actually, the realisation of this is probably why McGregor is getting eased into the forward line.


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#68
Re: Re: Interesting comments out of Geelong way

Originally posted by Kane McGoodwin
Yet Bomber Thompson is completely blameless for the Cats current plight.... Yeah right.

The Cats have traded away experienced players & concentrated on getting plenty of early draft picks for young talent to rebuild a new team. However, young players tend to struggle when they don't have enough experienced players around them. This has been exacerbated by injury.

To blame Ayres is rather simplistic. Would Geelong be in strife now if he were still their coach?
When Bomber first arrived, he set out to clear the dead wood and start this rebuilding process of his. So far I must applaud Bomber for this effort, yet I am in firm belief that he cannot carry the club any further than this developement stage. The bloke cannot coach this side to the finals, I can only see him as a developing coach. Considering that this year is a big year, as our 2001 draftees are in their 3rd year, the fact was that we needed to move forward towards success and not dwindle behind in this rebuilding process. So to say Thompson is completely blameless is blasphemy to say the least. If you head on down to the Geelong Board, or to the Cat's Claw, you'll see many fans are against Thompson and what he's doing to our list. He's playing his favourites, many of whom are D Grade footballers (Dave Johnson, James Rahilly). He's screwing over our young guns careers (see James Bartel), and he has no passion for the club.

We still have veterens at the club, and it is only last week when we faced Carlton with zilch of them did this all youth team really stand out. Had they been playing, this talk of trading away all our experienced players wouldn't be an issue.

If Ayres was at the club, I can gurantee you he would have done a far worse job than Bomber right now, and that's pretty damn bad. Ayres seems to love persisting with ageing players and doesn't seem to have a key eye on developing young players at all until it becomes absolutely necessary.
 

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Re: Re: Re: Interesting comments out of Geelong way

Originally posted by GeeCat
... Ayres seems to love persisting with ageing players and doesn't seem to have a key eye on developing young players at all until it becomes absolutely necessary.
Strange that. Comes completely as a surprise.
 
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