Review Interim Captain thoughts

[macca23]

IMO the club will appoint an interim Captain on the basis that they still hold some hope of VB returning this year

However IMO VB won't return this year and subsequently will formally relinquish the captaincy next off season citing that he wants to focus on his comeback and the interim Captain will then formally take the full reins with one year experience under his belt in the role

While I don't agree with it, I think you have probably got it spot on as to what will happen, Kemo Sabe.

The only reason I would prefer an outright appointment of a new captain (Dangerfield) this year is that after all the negativity that dogged us all last year, I would like to see nothing but positivity in 2014. If we go down the interim path, we will always have this negative factor of our captain out injured and an acting captain who is not really the leader, being a fill-in for VB.

 

[The Sloane Ranger]

While I don't agree with it, I think you have probably got it spot on as to what will happen, Kemo Sabe.

The only reason I would prefer an outright appointment of a new captain (Dangerfield) this year is that after all the negativity that dogged us all last year, I would like to see nothing but positivity in 2014. If we go down the interim path, we will always have this negative factor of our captain out injured and an acting captain who is not really the leader, being a fill-in for VB.

M23 the other factor to consider is that I think Danger or Sloane would probably prefer to take over as per how I have mentioned opposed to taking the role on a perm basis during a time when VB's which injury is still very much raw

I'm confident that once Danger or Sloane are in the role they will quickly turn a negative into a positive and the interim tag will become a moot point

 

[Elite Crow]

Don't agree with the interim approach, all your going to hear all year is "gees Danger is doing a great job as captain, what will they do when VB comes back?" The club doesn't need the distraction, make a decision and move on.

 

[macca23]

Don't agree with the interim approach, all your going to hear all year is "gees Danger is doing a great job as captain, what will they do when VB comes back?" The club doesn't need the distraction, make a decision and move on.

Agreed.

 

[JP Sauce]

Now how many games did Reilly, Wright and DMack poll in compared to games played? All were dropped, all polled total votes similar to VB.

Okay, here goes nothing...

Reilly polled in 6 of our first 8 games (although some were gimmes where almost everyone polled, but I won't count that against him). He was twice in our top 3-4 on the ground (Essendon R1 and Hawthorn R6). He didn't poll for 3 consecutive games (R9-R11) and was then dropped. He came back after the bye in R14 but got injured.

MacKay polled in 6 of our first 9 games (including the gimmes, same as above) and was only once in our top few on the ground. Very middling, but not awful. I can't remember if an injury was involved but he didn't poll in R10 (he polled in the previous 4 games), didn't play in R11, didn't poll in R12, bye in R13, then didn't play R14 and R15.

Wright polled in 4 of our first 7 games (but was never in our best) then was dropped after 3 out of 4 non-polling games (R5-R8). He came back in R12.

van Berlo polled in 3 of his first 5 games (he missed R4-R6 through injury) and then had 4 non-polling games in a row during R9-R12 leading up to the bye.

vB had the worst run out of any of the 4 players discussed here and if he was judged in the same way as the other 3 then he certainly should've been dropped.

 

[Southerntakeover]

It'll definitely be an interim appointment, even if they think it will be a permanent thing.

Either an interim appointment with VB taking over again when he's back

Or an interim appointment with VB handing over officially next off season

Our great mate Wazza won a premiership as an 'interrim' captain. It's not that big a deal.

 

[Southerntakeover]

Don't agree with the interim approach, all your going to hear all year is "gees Danger is doing a great job as captain, what will they do when VB comes back?" The club doesn't need the distraction, make a decision and move on.

What if Danger struggles as captain?

 

[Glenno23]

What if Danger struggles as captain?

Something tells me he won't

But you have a point. Its the perfect chance to have Danger as captain this year as "interim" captain. If he does a great job, they have a press conference at the end of the season with VB stating that he wants to focus on his comeback and officially hands over the reigns and Danger is made club captain

If Danger struggles, the club saves face and VB captains in 2015 and Sloane gets the gig in 2016

But Danger looks born for the job. He's leadership in the Hodge, Selwood and Roo mould

This is the perfect opportunity for the club to have a fresh start. New oval, new captain, new beginnings. Time to change it up. What we've been doing hasn't worked

And we all know the definition of insanity.....

 

[1970crow]

Not only don't we need one, we can't afford to have one. Had vb maintained full fitness this year and improved on last year, he would likely have maintained his position in the bottom 6 or 7 of our best 22. The reality is that vb's only weapon is endurance. Even if he is cleared to run in 6 months there is no way that his only weapon will be ready to fire. The issue with him maintaining the captaincy into 2015 is that his guaranteed spot in the best 22 is reliant upon improvement from him and stagnation of younger players. The likelihood of that occurring throughout 2014 & 2015 is remote, especially considering this major injury. What we will end up with is a poor mans cassisi. Vaders assertion that 8 years ago vb was penned (not pencilled) into the captaincy role for the next decade is absurd. This would be one of the few times that the old triggism of 'as far as the eye can see' is reasonable. But when guys like danger and sloane come along that eye is very easily distracted.

Their should be no interim skipper. Vb needs to man up and stand aside and if he won't then he can go the same way as mcguiness. Danger or sloane, but more danger, are the guys to lead us out of the mire of accepted mediocrity. These are people who might be able to change the culture of the admin via their deeds on the park. They are the guys that come along very rarely and the mere thought of keeping vb as captain and holding these leaders back should make many of us sick to the stomach.

 

[Elite Crow]

What if Danger struggles as captain?

We make him tagger

 

[jenny61_99]

No interim. Bite the bullet now. I'd not be averse to co-captains in Danger and Sloane.

 

[Elite Crow]

I've never been a fan but if there were ever two players who could make it work it would be those two

 

[jenny61_99]

I've never been a fan but if there were ever two players who could make it work it would be those two

Stop it! I keep agreeing with you!

 

[mattymac]

Okay, here goes nothing...

Reilly polled in 6 of our first 8 games (although some were gimmes where almost everyone polled, but I won't count that against him). He was twice in our top 3-4 on the ground (Essendon R1 and Hawthorn R6). He didn't poll for 3 consecutive games (R9-R11) and was then dropped. He came back after the bye in R14 but got injured.

MacKay polled in 6 of our first 9 games (including the gimmes, same as above) and was only once in our top few on the ground. Very middling, but not awful. I can't remember if an injury was involved but he didn't poll in R10 (he polled in the previous 4 games), didn't play in R11, didn't poll in R12, bye in R13, then didn't play R14 and R15.

Wright polled in 4 of our first 7 games (but was never in our best) then was dropped after 3 out of 4 non-polling games (R5-R8). He came back in R12.

van Berlo polled in 3 of his first 5 games (he missed R4-R6 through injury) and then had 4 non-polling games in a row during R9-R12 leading up to the bye.

vB had the worst run out of any of the 4 players discussed here and if he was judged in the same way as the other 3 then he certainly should've been dropped.

Massive fade outs in the month prior to the bye seems to be the common theme with that lot

 

[mattymac]

Co-captains is silliness

 

[tropicaltiger]

sloane should be appointed immediately, danger is not the man for the job, someone should be in vb's ear NOW telling him to pull the pin ASAP and just try and recover and be part of there best 22 for 2015...

its a no brainer really.

 

[JP Sauce]

Massive fade outs in the month prior to the bye seems to be the common theme with that lot

Agreed. But the others were dropped even though vB had a worse stretch than any of them.

 

[Southerntakeover]

We make him tagger

Maybe actually engage with the question?

It's one thing to act like it's a fait accompli that Dangerfield is the greatest captain ever. What if he does struggle though? What if his form dips, we have a terrible onfield year, and we have a number of incidents that can be attributed to ill discipline?

My point isn't that I think this is necessarily likely, simply that there is risk to any course of action and it's foolish to only consider some.

 

[Southerntakeover]

Something tells me he won't

But you have a point. Its the perfect chance to have Danger as captain this year as "interim" captain. If he does a great job, they have a press conference at the end of the season with VB stating that he wants to focus on his comeback and officially hands over the reigns and Danger is made club captain

If Danger struggles, the club saves face and VB captains in 2015 and Sloane gets the gig in 2016

But Danger looks born for the job. He's leadership in the Hodge, Selwood and Roo mould

This is the perfect opportunity for the club to have a fresh start. New oval, new captain, new beginnings. Time to change it up. What we've been doing hasn't worked

And we all know the definition of insanity.....

Good post.

I actually don't think there's any harm that can come from the 'interrim' tag. Like I said, it worked for Tredrea. I think the drawbacks are overrated.

If the change becomes permanent at the end of the year due to Danger's performance as captain, then he's earned it, rather than getting it due to the incumbent's injury. IMO that's a better position for him going forward. If it doesn't work, no harm done. You could go back to vB for a year, and then go in a different direction having more information about Danger as a captain.

I also don't think that anyone would actually have the 'interrim' tag fresh in their minds at any point. The oval etc is going to be fresh anyway. I think it's pretty silly to suggest that 'freshness' is held back because we've got a guy who has been recognised as captain sitting on the injury list.

Also: I think it's to misuse the proverb. It would be equally insane to change everything for the sake of it in the face of failure. The changes need to be identified. That's not to say that the captaincy isn't such a change.

 

[Drugs Are Bad Mackay?]

Maybe actually engage with the question?

It's one thing to act like it's a fait accompli that Dangerfield is the greatest captain ever. What if he does struggle though? What if his form dips, we have a terrible onfield year, and we have a number of incidents that can be attributed to ill discipline?

My point isn't that I think this is necessarily likely, simply that there is risk to any course of action and it's foolish to only consider some.

That's a risk anytime you appoint a captain.

 

[Macca Pakka]

Don't agree with the interim approach, all your going to hear all year is "gees Danger is doing a great job as captain, what will they do when VB comes back?" The club doesn't need the distraction, make a decision and move on.

It really does have the potential to get a bit messy if Danger/Sloane are appointed and do well, which seems quite likely. If they performed well we have the potential of another Hawthorn Mitchell-Hodge situation were the current captain (Mitchell) was replaced largely due to public opinion. We don't want the same situation where former club greats like Dermie (prob Roo in our case) are openly calling for the captaincy to be passed on, it's incredibly unfair, disrespectful and probably hurtful for the current captain who has given their all.

Instead a long term decision needs to be made if Danger or Sloane were appointed to avoid an unnecessary off-field distraction throughout 2014. If Danger/Sloane are selected as interim captain and VB hasn't returned by mid-season, then an announcement should be made that VB is stepping done to focus on his recovery. Any later than mid-season we run the risk of it becoming a major distraction leading into finals - assuming we're playing finals!

If we are not prepared to permanently pass on the captaincy if VB doesn't return by mid-season then I think we should go Rutten, Douglas, Thommo probably in that order.

 

[Glenno23]

sloane should be appointed immediately, danger is not the man for the job, someone should be in vb's ear NOW telling him to pull the pin ASAP and just try and recover and be part of there best 22 for 2015...

its a no brainer really.

Did you look like this: When writing that?

 

[fairfooty]

IMO as well, Danger is not the man for the job - yet. Said it before, and I'll say it again, best footballers (technical skills) are not necessarily the best on field leaders. While I think he's a marvellous footballer, Danger can be very tunnel visioned on field and that's not a good leadership quality. And the best leadership qualities we have at the moment are in Sloane by a country mile and the dark horse in the race is Douggy - didn't win best team man for nothing. I think Truck would also do a fine job as Interim Captain but I worry if he'll play enough games to make it possible.

So if it was up to me: Sloane would be interim captain, Douggy would be vice (formidable combination IMO) and Truck and Danger in the leadership group (if they aren't already).

And let's not underestimate the importance of this decision - make the wrong one and we wind up in a helluva mess performance and team-relationship wise.

ETA: Co-captains is a bloody nonsense. Never. Ever see a Co-CEO?

 

[FR0GGY]

IMO as well, Danger is not the man for the job - yet. Said it before, and I'll say it again, best footballers (technical skills) are not necessarily the best on field leaders. While I think he's a marvellous footballer, Danger can be very tunnel visioned on field and that's not a good leadership quality. And the best leadership qualities we have at the moment are in Sloane by a country mile and the dark horse in the race is Douggy - didn't win best team man for nothing. I think Truck would also do a fine job as Interim Captain but I worry if he'll play enough games to make it possible.

So if it was up to me: Sloane would be interim captain, Douggy would be vice (formidable combination IMO) and Truck and Danger in the leadership group (if they aren't already).

And let's not underestimate the importance of this decision - make the wrong one and we wind up in a helluva mess performance and team-relationship wise.

ETA: Co-captains is a bloody nonsense. Never. Ever see a Co-CEO?

I somewhat agree with what your saying but i wouldnt say danger is our best (technically skilled player), what he does have is the ability to be inspirational on the field and thats a massive quality to have.
However we are lucky to have two sensational captains in waiting and i really couldn't care which one gets it. Because i believe both would be outstanding.

 

[fairfooty]

I somewhat agree with what your saying but i wouldnt say danger is our best (technically skilled player), what he does have do on field is inspirational and thats a massive quality to have.
However we are lucky to have two sensational captains in waiting and i really couldn't care which one gets it. Because i believe both would be outstanding.

Have no argument with how inspirational Danger is, but I'd argue it comes from his speed, skill and technical brilliance (yeah I know, apart from his disposal), not his leadership and while important, I think its vital not to confuse inspiration and leadership. And no I wouldn't die in a ditch if Danger became captain - just genuinely think Sloane would be better at this point.