International Exposure for Aussie Rules (Not AFL)

[jatz14]

I have and game has still gone major changes in almost every way.
The adopted Geelong rules of 1866 give a better idea of a game.

6. Ball must be bounced every 10 or 20 yards if carried. Absent from the original rules.

7. Tripping, holding, hacking prohibited. Pushing with hands or body is allowed when any player is in rapid motion or in possession of ball, except in the case of a mark. No holding is implied but not spelt out.

8. Mark is when a player catches the ball before it hits the ground and has been clearly kicked by another player. Rule is improved and integral.

9. Handball only allowed if ball held clearly in one hand and punched or hit out with other. If caught, no mark. Throwing prohibited. The subject of passing by hand is addressed. Clearly anti-rugby and very possibly a Gaelic influence.

Again, handball is more likely to have influenced Gaelic than been influenced by it. Is there even evidence of the existence of handballing in football in Ireland at this point? Given the degree to which football was a creation of WASPs (off season game for cricketers), what even would be the mechanism for an influence?
If Australian football was set up to be it's own thing and not a copy of English sport, why would a group of English or English descended toffs turn around and copy Irish sport, it makes no sense.

It's like people freak out at the idea that something popular started here, and have to think it was influenced externally.

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[RedV3x]

Again, handball is more likely to have influenced Gaelic than been influenced by it.

Good to see that you believe that Australians created something unique and truly Australina.

 

[TheGodmother]

Saw this on a feed, and think it is in a small way quite significant.
Firstly it shows the growing phenomena of overseas development in some countries moving to a point where it is locals pushing expansion of the game and not expats. The game will never be more than a curiosity anywhere if it is a game of expats.

Second, it shows the sort or report that grows awareness of the game in a meaningful way. It might be good showing an AFL highlight on TV, but it is unlikely to prompt any action. A positive report on local TV showing footy as a local sport worth playing is worth its weight in gold.

Will not have a huge effect on its own, but if it prompts a half dozen or so to give the game a go, and each year sees another story or 2, it adds up over a few years. Canada especially is at a point where little stories like this seem to keep cropping up, and is possible part of the reason that womens footy has been quite successful there quite quick

Thought it worth a thread to show local media reports of local football as a gauge of grass roots growth overseas.
http://www.cbc.ca/player/News/Canada/Montreal/ID/2524099338/
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Psychotic, grandiose ideas of AFL board not enough for AFL footy to take over the world? They need to think first about supporting a national all black team or a NT team. They can't see beyond their Pinocchio noses

 

[Les Malone]

Again, handball is more likely to have influenced Gaelic than been influenced by it. Is there even evidence of the existence of handballing in football in Ireland at this point? Given the degree to which football was a creation of WASPs (off season game for cricketers), what even would be the mechanism for an influence?
If Australian football was set up to be it's own thing and not a copy of English sport, why would a group of English or English descended toffs turn around and copy Irish sport, it makes no sense.

It's like people freak out at the idea that something popular started here, and have to think it was influenced externally.

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Its very easy to assume Gaelic football influenced AF rather than the other way around, because of the population flows, hundreds of thousands of people migrated here from Ireland, how many Australians have migrated to Ireland - not many probably SFA.

Therefore that's why the Archbishop Croke connection becomes somewhat logical.

He saw the Irish/Australians in NZ, he visited Melbourne when it was culturally tied to NZ through gold, he was a sports fan, he visited Melbourne when the footy was on (Carlton/Melbourne) , he was a Irish Nationalist, he returned to Ireland, he was the initial patron of the GAA, he lived a few miles away when they were writing the rules of the Gaelic football and Hurling.

Those facts combined with what probably the most famous Gaelic footballer had to say in Joe Lennon that many of the rules and even the point posts were taken from AF are IMO a very good indication that AF influenced the rules of Gaelic and the way it was played.

 

[jatz14]

Nailed it. It's obvious that the reason there isn't an NT team in the AFL is all those ******* Canadians sucking up resources.

If the AFL could get a those hundreds of dollars going to Canada back by ******* the Canucks off, AFL will be able to ride of into a glorious sunset.

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[RedV3x]

That is not to say that there is not an Irish influence on our game, i believe there is.

"The earliest record of a recognized precursor to modern Gaelic football date from a game in County Meath in 1670 in which catching and kicking the ball were permitted."

Which doesn't tell us much at all.

Those facts combined with what probably the most famous Gaelic footballer had to say in Joe Lennon that many of the rules and even the point posts were taken from AF are IMO a very good indication that AF influenced the rules of Gaelic and the way it was played.

Yes, in the lead up to 1884 and the codification of Gaelic Football. They are facts but Australian Football had changed dramatically from 1859 to 1877
with the introduction of an oval, oval balls, tackling and a multitude of other changes.
Both Gaelic Football and Australian Football started as simple kick and catch games and some influence is possible.

 

[RedV3x]

Nailed it. It's obvious that the reason there isn't an NT team in the AFL is all those ******* Canadians sucking up resources.
If the AFL could get a those hundreds of dollars going to Canada back by ******* the Canucks off, AFL will be able to ride of into a glorious sunset.

It'd be funny if you're right. The NT Thunder is no more in the NEAFL and Canada does receive a helping hand.

 

[AFL Canada]

It'd be funny if you're right. The NT Thunder is no more in the NEAFL and Canada does receive a helping hand.

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The AFL funds one AFL Canada position (our development manager for C$50-60k. Exchange rates are pretty equal).

The rest of our paid positions (most for junior development) are all government grants and club fundraising. We're hoping to get more grants once we're a nationally recognised sport.

 

[jatz14]

https://www.lapresse.ca/sports/2019...nce-unique-au-pays-du-football-australien.php

Google translate does a decent job with French

 

[RedV3x]

https://www.lapresse.ca/sports/2019...nce-unique-au-pays-du-football-australien.php

Google translate does a decent job with French

"As it (Australian Football) is very comprehensive, any sporting history is useful for this sport."

A good turn of phrase getting away from "Australian Footballs is a mixture....."

 

[TWLS]

There is an article in the Weekend West today while strictly not about our game in the U.S. discusses the point about at least one ex WAFL player at U.S. Colleges trying out for the NFL.
The total number of Aussies overall surprised me - Up to 40, and according to the article they are dominating the Punter ranks in College Football.
They all gather together each year in July in Nashville to have a chat and kick footballs around, and some could be from other sports.
There is as well one EX WAFL Perth Demons player Mitch Wishnowsky who will front up for the San Francisco 49ers as a Punter in the upcoming NFL Super Bowl.
(Article Behind a Pay Wall) by Craig O`Donoghue
There have been other articles about Mitch as well recently.

 

[Les Malone]

The article below while strictly not about our game in the U.S. discusses the point about some ex WAFL players at U.S. Colleges trying out for the NFL.
The total number of Aussies overall surprised me - Up to 20.
There is one EX WAFL player who will front up in the upcoming NFL Super Bowl.

Wishnowsky inspires next Aussie NFL hopefuls

Ex-Docker, now NFL hopeful, Max Duffy says the dozens of Australians playing college football were in awe of Mitch Wishnowsky’s achievements

thewest.com.au

I thought it was actually more than 20, its a great gig for Aussie kids to get a free education if they can kick a ball, most kids who grow up playing Aussie Rules can,plenty can kick it a long way and a big number can kick both long and accurately.

Article wouldn't open for me, but a ex Brisbane player Nathan Chapman runs a punting/kicking school, plenty of success.

 

[TWLS]

Yes it was - Up to 40 apparently.
I see your a Giants supporter -Les Malone
It was reported today in the Weekend West that the GWS Giants want to play a AFL Competition match in California. AKA Port in China
The Giants reckon there is a market there for our game.
Perhaps those two American Business guys who sponsor the Sydney Showgrounds for the Giants may get involved.

 

[Les Malone]

Yes it was - Up to 40 apparently.
I see your a Giants supporter -Les Malone
It was reported today in the Weekend West that the GWS Giants want to play a AFL Competition match in California. AKA Port in China
The Giants reckon there is a market there for our game.
Perhaps those two American Business guys who sponsor the Sydney Showgrounds for the Giants may get involved.

Gianst are better off just sticking to Sydney and Canberra, plenty of growth there.

Let a club in the more competitive footy Melbourne market do those type of things.

 

[RedV3x]

The possibility of the Giants playing in the USA is being raised again.

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