Interview with Derek Hine

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AFL 'Road to the Draft' interview of Derek Hine by Nat Edwards and Cal Twomey ...

https://player.whooshkaa.com/episode?id=374758

Episode guide
1:05 – Was the Pies' rise expected or are they ahead of schedule? Hine makes his call.
7:20 – Inside the club's decision to draft NAB AFL Rising Star winner Jaidyn Stephenson.
9:40 – Hine discusses Collingwood's strategy around recruiting key position players.
16:50 – The guys get an update on Brodie Grundy's contract status, plus how the club is planning to keep all of its stars.
20:05 – Hine gives his take on this year's draft pool, including the rival father-son prospect who has impressed him.
28.00 – What the Pies will be looking for at this year's draft and trade period.
29:05 – Will Collingwood use its pick at next week's mid-season rookie draft?
34:50 – Hine explains why the Pies like to surprise draftees with strange questions
36:50 – The Pies on whether there should be changes to Next Generation Academy eligibility.
 
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Thanks just saw this on the AFL website and was wondering where to post this!


AFL 'Road to the Draft' interview of Derek Hine interview by Nat Edwards and Cal Twomey ...

https://player.whooshkaa.com/episode?id=374758

Episode guide
1:05 – Was the Pies' rise expected or are they ahead of schedule? Hine makes his call.
7:20 – Inside the club's decision to draft NAB AFL Rising Star winner Jaidyn Stephenson.
9:40 – Hine discusses Collingwood's strategy around recruiting key position players.
16:50 – The guys get an update on Brodie Grundy's contract status, plus how the club is planning to keep all of its stars.
20:05 – Hine gives his take on this year's draft pool, including the rival father-son prospect who has impressed him.
28.00 – What the Pies will be looking for at this year's draft and trade period.
29:05 – Will Collingwood use its pick at next week's mid-season rookie draft?
34:50 – Hine explains why the Pies like to surprise draftees with strange questions
36:50 – The Pies on whether there should be changes to Next Generation Academy eligibility.
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My take-aways ...

- Hine seems to be quite optimistic about Nathan Murphy’s prospects
- He is optimistic about Tyler Brown’s prospects, but warns that we’re going to need to be very patient
- (My take) The club isn’t necessarily going to use its mid-year rookie pick. They’ll target the players that they’re specifically interested in, but if those players aren’t available, then they’re not going to waste money on bringing someone in just for the sake of it.
- Tom Wilson is focusing on building his footy fitness with the fitness dept, and there are no immediate plans for him to play VFL. It hasn’t been determined yet if he’ll even play VFL this year - he might play later in the year. The club are taking a long term approach to him. No concerns about his skills, it’s purely a fitness thing.
- IQ is on a learning curve about how to play against big bodies. That’s one area where the Victorian lads are behind SA / WA - in those other states the younger kids can get experience playing against bigger bodies in the SANFL / WAFL.
 
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My take-aways ...

- Hine seems to be quite optimistic about Nathan Murphy’a prospects
- He is optimistic about Tyler Brown’s prospects, but warns that we’re going to need to be very patient
- (My take) The club isn’t necessarily going to use its mid-year rookie pick. They’ll target the players that they’re specifically interested in, but if those players aren’t available, then they’re not going to waste money on bringing someone in just for the sake of it.
- Tom Wilson is focusing on building his footy fitness with the fitness dept, and there are no immediate plans for him to play VFL. It hasn’t been determined yet if he’ll even play VFL this year - he might play later in the year. The club are taking a long term approach to him. No concerns about his skills, it’s purely a fitness thing.
- IQ is on a learning curve about how to play against big bodies. That’s one area where the Victorian lads are behind SA / WA - in those other states the younger kids can get experience playing against bigger bodies in the SANFL / WAFL.
- Hine is trying to keep a lid on the Nick Daicos hype because they don't want to put too much pressure on him. Very pleased that Nick is always at the club, loves the club, wants to learn. Is already taller than Josh. Expects him to move to the more elite pathways sooner rather than later.
 

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Cal Twomey was pretty glowing in his opinion of Nick Daicos after watching him play for his school side.

I got the distinct impression Hine likes what he sees in Wilson in terms of footballing talent very much.

Hopefully down the track Murphy, T. Brown and Wilson will serve us well as tall and skilled utilities (my opinion).
 

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Some of my take aways:
- Derek envisages Wilson being utilised as a Gunston style forward.
- The recruitment team will decide over the next 48-72 hours whether they will use our pick in the mid-season draft. Made mention that Wells, Varcoe and Goldsack are closer to the end of their careers than the start, and that they'd need to consider how to replace them.
- Spoke about Cox, stated that he'd likely be no. 1 ruck at 13 or 14 other clubs in the league.
 

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It was a pretty good interview. Nothing ground breaking in terms of inside info, but good to get Hine's take on the development of some guys and the scope he sees/saw. He's got a keen eye, that's for damn sure.

I generally take what Twomey says about prospective Collingwood father sons and NGA kids with a grain of salt, but he sounded positively envious about the prospect of the second young Daicos coming through. It was a different sort of pump up that Twomey normally does. Dekka was keen to put that lid right back on though and perhaps chose the best way to do it by saying these kids are deserving of some opportunity to grow and develop without the weight of expectation just yet.
 

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It was a pretty good interview. Nothing ground breaking in terms of inside info, but good to get Hine's take on the development of some guys and the scope he sees/saw. He's got a keen eye, that's for damn sure.

I generally take what Twomey says about prospective Collingwood father sons and NGA kids with a grain of salt, but he sounded positively envious about the prospect of the second young Daicos coming through. It was a different sort of pump up that Twomey normally does. Dekka was keen to put that lid right back on though and perhaps chose the best way to do it by saying these kids are deserving of some opportunity to grow and develop without the weight of expectation just yet.
Really is the catch-22 of being a father-son prospect. You have a better opportunity to get into footy but the expectation and pressure can be so great.
 

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It was a pretty good interview. Nothing ground breaking in terms of inside info, but good to get Hine's take on the development of some guys and the scope he sees/saw. He's got a keen eye, that's for damn sure.

I generally take what Twomey says about prospective Collingwood father sons and NGA kids with a grain of salt, but he sounded positively envious about the prospect of the second young Daicos coming through. It was a different sort of pump up that Twomey normally does. Dekka was keen to put that lid right back on though and perhaps chose the best way to do it by saying these kids are deserving of some opportunity to grow and develop without the weight of expectation just yet.
Well it's still a few seasons before Nick is Draftable so things can Change
 

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Really is the catch-22 of being a father-son prospect. You have a better opportunity to get into footy but the expectation and pressure can be so great.
From my understanding, Nick isn't going to shy away from any of it.

You're right though, in general with father sons it's so exciting to bring the name back into the club and if the kid has any semblance of talent we tend to heap on the expectations even without meaning to. Not a good thing.

Hopefully Nick takes to it like Darcy has rather than, say, Jaxson did. I guess the Ablett brothers are a good example of huge talent but varying levels of desire (for want of a better word).
 
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It was a pretty good interview. Nothing ground breaking in terms of inside info, but good to get Hine's take on the development of some guys and the scope he sees/saw. He's got a keen eye, that's for damn sure.

I generally take what Twomey says about prospective Collingwood father sons and NGA kids with a grain of salt, but he sounded positively envious about the prospect of the second young Daicos coming through. It was a different sort of pump up that Twomey normally does. Dekka was keen to put that lid right back on though and perhaps chose the best way to do it by saying these kids are deserving of some opportunity to grow and develop without the weight of expectation just yet.
Was a fascinating byplay in the interview.

I’m very strong in the belief that AFL recruiters (especially the better ones) know where players like Nick Daicos actually sits talent and value wise.

They know if he’s more Peter or more Josh. And wherever else on the scale.
All the rest will be media hype or some pre draft games but in the wash up we’ll pay his value and he will become ours (assuming we rate him ;)).

So it will be in draft end 2021.
 
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Take aways of Derek interview.

Wilson will enjoy this season as learning curve and fitness development.
His skill is not questioned.
Sounds like he’s seen as a high value piece.

Club knows how to handle the salary cap like all clubs. Nothing new there.
They confident of keeping list together.

Varcoe, Goldsack, Wells all coming to the end and club preparing for replacing same.

Nathan Murphy is highly thought of, and he’ll be something good for us. That came across strongly in my view.

Cox is very important to our list.

Moore was seen as a key position talent and sounds like down back is now settled and better for us.

Tyler Brown with patience looks one they care about.

Quaynor will be a fine player in their view once he gets his go and adapts to the bigger bodies. Being developed well.

They just love Stephenson! (What a get by us.)
 
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From my understanding, Nick isn't going to shy away from any of it.

You're right though, in general with father sons it's so exciting to bring the name back into the club and if the kid has any semblance of talent we tend to heap on the expectations even without meaning to. Not a good thing.

Hopefully Nick takes to it like Darcy has rather than, say, Jaxson did. I guess the Ablett brothers are a good example of huge talent but varying levels of desire (for want of a better word).
I thought Barham did much better than he should have given his (limited) abilities.
 

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I thought Barham did much better than he should have given his (limited) abilities.
Yes and no. He was a pretty uncoordinated kick but he was pretty awesome physically. Moved like Peter Matera. I reckon he could have been developed into an effective tagger.
 

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Yes and no. He was a pretty uncoordinated kick but he was pretty awesome physically. Moved like Peter Matera. I reckon he could have been developed into an effective tagger.
Not so sure. If you mean by "pretty awesome physically" that he could run really fast then yes, he was, but more generally he was built like a year 7 schoolboy. Was at the Pies and in the Cats system through their VFL squad and neither club had any success. Had atrocious skills (I blame his old man, that was his job) and way too unaccountable for my liking to be tried as a tagger.
 

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Not so sure. If you mean by "pretty awesome physically" that he could run really fast then yes, he was, but more generally he was built like a year 7 schoolboy. Was at the Pies and in the Cats system through their VFL squad and neither club had any success. Had atrocious skills (I blame his old man, that was his job) and way too unaccountable for my liking to be tried as a tagger.
Strength may have been an issue, but his pace, endurance and agility combination was off the charts. I always felt the issue was that he tried to use his assets fir offence but just had awful skills. I would have liked him to try to use his assets for defence .
 

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