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79Vintage

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#51
mojo31 said:
Sometimes I get the idea that my opinion is bookmarked. A few words changed and hey presto a brand new post comes out. :rolleyes:

It just keeps happening on some of these threads.
Not to be forgotten is the quoting of a particular point taken out of context.
I would prefer if it stops and genuine discussion took place rather than recycling someone elses posts or trying to get 1 over on someone.
Sorry Mojo,

Take some advice from 'an experienced navigator through this cut throat world of internet football knowledge' .:p, but you dig your own grave on the internet if you give definitive all encompassing critical opinions, it's exactly why Colin Wisbey cops so much flack, quite a bit of it deserving. If you openly highlight player's defeciences, you're best to stress that this is only your opinion of player's defeciences. The skill is in writing your assessments so they come across as an informative opinion rather than a definitive opinion, remember we aren't reading our own opinions, other people are.

If you phrase your analysis, something like, '..this player did this today which he regularly does & in the future he needs to work on this, so he can maximise his potential to become this type of player..', you can manage to still express your opinion while covering yourself - you can be informative rather than definitive, whilst avoiding the other extreme of saying too little and being wishy-washy.

It's also a good way to look at things as this mirrors the way a player hopefully gets feedback from the coach and specialist coaches. Also this encourages discussion, drawing out opinions from other posters and allows your opinion to be part of an ongoing, let's say, 'work in progress' discussion.

That's all my experience, take it or leave it, hope it helps you avoid the battered internet opinion syndrome, if you're feeling it now, wait until you write something negative that is read by a mate or family member of a young player, believe me, some of those people go in hard. ;

See, the things you wrote about Ryan Jackson's performances in the intra club match really irritated me, I actually agreed with your assessments on that inidividual performance, but I had a real problem with your conclusions on his talents. Firstly, your opinion was in direct contradiction to the assessments I've made in his Under 18 career - and I have watched him very closely, because I saw something in his ability that could develop. Fair enough, in the real world we just have a difference of opinion, which if we were mates we'd just put down on the board and see who was right in a few years, but this is the faceless world of the internet.

Yesterday, Jacko was for mine the second most impressive player for the Northern Bullants, he'd obviously got feedback from the coaches on his intra-club performance & on his next showing he put it into practice. On Jacko, at the Northern Knights he was given a variety of roles, so that's one of his positives - he can do a job for a coach and thinks about his footy.

My valid comeback to what you wrote on him, is - So did you see the Bullant's game yesterday? And what did you think of Jacko's performance?

Look at it this way - a good boxer doesn't lead with his best shots, he waits to see what his opponent has got & delivers the meaningful punches when he knows there will be an opening. And he has done a lot of background research prior, as an 'internet expert' you can at best re-watch tapes but you're in a special position if you have info on a players social & psychological background.

Maybe I won't follow my own advice when it comes to expressing an opinion on Jacko, but heck, you still have to live and die by something;)
 

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#52
79Vintage,

My post about copying and pasting and blowing a point out of all proportion was directed at 1 person and not BF posters as a whole.
It was directed at Pivot. The Carlton people who post on this board a lot would know what I mean. It just keeps going on and on.
Since I am a mod now I do not think I should be putting somerone on ignore but I think I will have to.

I am fairly forceful in my opinions and do try and explain my reasoning. However its pretty hard to come up with 5 or 6 lines on each player from an intra club game and get them all spot on and explain things quickly. I just put something up quickly and do not expect it to be definitive. Some of what I wrote did not make a whole lot of sense and I think I said that in my post later (on CSC) and also in subsequent posts on this thread.

I am only fairly new to internet forums and only joined midway through last year and am trying to be a bit diplomatic with my opinions. I still like to get to the point quickly and give my opinion. I thought I explained my reasoning on Jackson. I did not think he was good in the intra club. I liked his training form and thought he looked fine there. Just in that game he looked a little bit off the pace. Just think he lacks that little bit of zip in a straight line to get free in congestion. Not a great kick but I do think if he can build up he will be a prospect as he is quite agile and good at changing direction and shows good awareness. Can run all day and is versatile.

Anyway I will take your point on board as I think some of them are valid. I only ever seem to have a problem with 1 poster on all of BigFooty though.
 

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This is what I wrote about Jackson about a month ago. What are your thoughts 79Vintage?

I am not a friend of Ryan or of the family. I can only put my opinion based on what I saw of him prior to being drafted and then how he looks in a practice game and at training. He has some qualities and some deficiencies. I say a bit about each and where he might need to develop in the future.

I did not attend the VFL game yesterday.

Ryan Jackson

Midfielder

18 years old.
Rookie pick 1 in the 2005 draft.

Strengths: Is an extremely versatile player. Has a huge motor and is already at an elite level with his endurance ability. Top 5 at the club despite it being his first year. Very agile and is quick at changing directions and moving from side to side. Smart player who knows his limitations of leg speed so plays accordingly. Instead of letting the player run away from him he will cut down the angles and make it extremely hard for his lack of leg speed to be exploited.
Very hard trainer who possesses a natural work ethic. Very courageous player in the way he puts his head over the ball and also with the way he keeps on running. You can see he is hurting but still pushes to the very limit. Never out of the game and always presenting and giving options and encouraging. Good second efforts. Overall has a good strong game and is effective rather than flashy.

Weaknesses: Pace in a straight line. Lack of real flair in his game. The kicking is okay without being damaging. Pretty lean and skinny body which will need some work to build up on. Can get caught out with the ball at times by taking players on. Might be a problem at AFL level with the increased speed. Hard to see where his position will be at Carlton. These tall flanker/midfielder types really do read well in a profile. Similar to Sporn and Bannister and those types. However when you have to sit down and work out exactly where they will play it is not so easy. Not really tall enough to be damaging with there height and not really a pure midfielder with the smarts and talent to play full time there.

Comment: Carlton knew exactly what they were getting when they took him in the rookie draft. Had been training for a few weeks and was first on the track and last off it and made every session count. Has tremendous heart and dedication to making the grade. Had setbacks already when passed over in the 2004 draft and put his head down and had a good year in the TAC. Then to be overlooked again in the main draft would have been a blow. Turned up to Carlton and impressed with everything he did in the few weeks and was rewarded with a rookie listing. Is a tall half forward flanker type who will play some midfield as well and basically roam all over the ground with great fitness. Capable of kicking a goal and really contesting well in the air and on the ground.
The sort of player who is never beaten in his own mind and will keep trying and showed genuine leadership for the Northern Knights in 2005 with his attitude.
Needs to work on his pace and to build his body up. Kicking will need to be refined and his kicking for goal especially will have to be improved.

Lack of pace meant he was overlooked. I don’t think he will ever become a top liner at AFL level but do find it hard to believe some of the players taken in the main draft and for Ryan to be overlooked twice. The game is getting quicker and quicker but Ryan has such wonderful qualities it would be a shame for him not to be given a chance.
Fair chance of him being upgraded to the senior list with the injury to Jesse Smith now.

2006: promoted onto the senior list and play 5 to 8 AFL games.
Future: Very likely to be promoted full time at the end of the year.
 

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#54
Off one step I had Ryan Jackson as the best player in the entire 2005 draft pool at hitting a target over 40 metres, so I really disagree with you on his kicking there Mojo. Another of my assessments of Jacko is that he does things in open play that he struggles to do in close, not because he's shy of the contest, but because he doesn't have the belief that he can do it, maybe that's because of his injury history - that's my conclusion after watching him probably 15 times last year. For mine what he has to do is learn that he can do what he does in open play in every contest - it's not a question of heart but one of mind. I've seen him win contested ball with miraculous skill, he needs to move that from a single digit percentage to above 20% & learn to nullify a contest. Hopefully Libba will help him out.;)
 

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79Vintage said:
Off one step I had Ryan Jackson as the best player in the entire 2005 draft pool at hitting a target over 40 metres, so I really disagree with you on his kicking there Mojo. Another of my assessments of Jacko is that he does things in open play that he struggles to do in close, not because he's shy of the contest, but because he doesn't have the belief that he can do it, maybe that's because of his injury history - that's my conclusion after watching him probably 15 times last year. For mine what he has to do is learn that he can do what he does in open play in every contest - it's not a question of heart but one of mind. I've seen him win contested ball with miraculous skill, he needs to move that from a single digit percentage to above 20% & learn to nullify a contest. Hopefully Libba will help him out.;)

Fair enough. On my viewings I would have had him as competent rather than top echelon. I do think he will work as hard as possible on his game, listen to coaches instructions and take things on board. That is what I like about him. He is versatile and willing to change his role depending on whats needed. I see him as similar to Bentick in that regard about being coachable and perhaps lacking some confidence in his game.
Cant question Jacksons appetite for the contest and his work ethic. Just have to disagree with you on his skills at this stage on what I have seen. I am a little bit biased perhaps with his realtively poor showings at the practice games.
Maybe if I had seen him play yesterday I might have a different opinion but I did not. Hope he does well and we need his run in the side.
 

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Mojo, I apologise for whatever way you seem to have taken offense to what I have written in my posts. There is no intention in what I've written to offend you, but again apologise if I have. You really shoudln't get worked up about posts on the net as it's all a bit of fun and games when it all boils down.

Just remember, this is for all people to post their opinions and should be taken with a grain of salt as they are usually personal opinions only. BF is a way of expressing ourselves about the game we love and in particular The Navy Blues.
 

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#57
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It's funny seeing the same old culprits that can't stay away from the Lance thread on the main board but can't bring themselves to admit that he has lost the weight. They are debating points that haven't even been made.

It's pretty damning evidence of their lack of objectivity ..... and somehow we are the lemmings.


Well said Old Darky Lance is a gun and should be the Captain after Kouta if he has another good year which looks likely.:thumbsu:
 

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#58
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AB and razzo both played well i thought...AB ran hard and used it well, both sides...
i saw jake edwards street running around princes park, and boy, he's big...got some size on him...
interesting people are sayin kennedy is a monster...didnt look that big to me...has height but still needs 7-8 more kgs i reckon...give him time...

I saw them side by side at the intra club match walking the boundry line and Kennedy is so much bigger than Edwards it isn't funny. if anything i thought Edwards was a bit light on in the weight department although he has good muscle definition in his arms he just needs some bulk where as Kennedy needs the definition
 
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