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generate two new constitutions for a A vs B vote
then a run off vote 6 months later for the winner of A & B against the current constitution
Politics Ireland - a model for the Australian Republic
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generate two new constitutions for a A vs B vote
then a run off vote 6 months later for the winner of A & B against the current constitution
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As long as you can have like a diary room or something, so that A & B get to air their dirty laundry. People love that stuff.
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As previously said you put up the vote to be "do you want an Australian head of state."
If yes then we vote on what model.
Not at all. This isnt difficult.
1st vote. Yes or no on an australian head of state.
2nd vote. Which model.
Not hard at all. I would say that there would probably be 2 put up. Direct election or as is(but with no crawling to the Queen or King for permission)
Until thats decided the country stays the same.
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No you dont.
You vote 1st on wether we have an Australian Head of State and if its a yes then we vote on what model.
Nothing vague about it.
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Alternatively, WA could secede and become a republic. Then proceed to unite the continent by buying the peasants states with an offer to share our GST.
Of course the capital would have to shift from Canberra to Kalgoorlie. That'll test who really wants to be in politics.
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so having an aussie head of state is more important than the legal framework and the powers of the state?
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Carry on as you were.
I'm not very good at fantasy.
I'm not very good at fantasy.
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Not at all. Both will be voted on.
But no point going down that path until we decide wether we want one or not.
Until the process is complete then we the country os run the same as it has.
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But you guys seem to love bowing to royalty.
Fantasy is big with that yeah?
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Just put up an Aussie woman to bang the first in line to the throne (who is single) if the focus is nationality.
People should be focused on the constitution
People should be focused on the constitution
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Its a good time to change the constitution while writing a new one for the Republic.
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we'd need three or four high courts if we go down that path
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Rather that than a quick fixerupper.
We have a good system now, besides some other countries leader ruling us, which can stay in plave till we have all the problems ironed out.
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This idea is coming closer to fruition.
Why? what benefit does it serve today?
Stability. Decent correlation between monarchy and continued democracy.
To put it in Ye Olden tems (via Monty Python), “Supreme executive power derives from a mandate from the masses”.
Its the perception of a mandate I’m worried about. Not because I think it’ll erode the conventions mentioned in thr thread, but for all the opposite reasons, and because the person involved is really only a symbolic figurehead. I just think the symbolism is all wrong.
Granted I’m fully aware I’m swimming against the tide, but I’d prefer to scrap the role completely and recognise the Prime Minister of the day as our country’s leader.
And with the amount of editing it takes to remove Queen, Crown nad Governor General from our constitutions, State and Federal, a few extra edits to excise those reserve powers wouldn’t be the dumbest thing a country as a whole had ever done.
All well and good until you get a Whitlam. Then it would all go horribly wrong.
But the palace did support the coup?
Meh the only lot who have sent in the armed forces are the ALP ie pilots strike and Chifley re coal strike.
1975 shows the current system to work well, of course the usual rabid element still havent overcome it, just as they pine for the days of the USSR and the cold war. Really no need to pay any attention to the views of such people.
are you sure?
Kerr’s recently released papers show he was seeking advice on using the “reserve powers” to dismiss Whitlam long before was previously revealed.
This included consultations with Prince Charles, the Queen, and the Queen’s private secretary, Martin Charteris.
The Palace offered to delay Kerr’s recall to help the governor-general sack Whitlam before Whitlam could sack him.
The Palace didn’t counsel Kerr to consult with Whitlam, nor did it contact Whitlam. Kerr took this as a green light.....
While I deplored the actions of Fraser and Kerr, I have to admit appreciating the nuanced vagaries that come from a system based on convention rather than rules. Tactical silence, measured delays and a reliance on the ‘vibe’ are in times of crisis useful things.
Kerr was still a vain and erroneous dog, but the mechanations around him were handled well.,,
Dismissing a govt and calling an election so the people of Australia could decide what to do isnt exactly a coup, sounds more like democracy. The election results certainly seemed to reflect that the right decision was made.
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