Ironic

[setanta17]

Carlton are in need of tall defenders, yet with our 2nd and 3rd picks in the draft we went with small midfielders/small defenders.
Don't you think we could've been better off drafting 2 big bodies and waiting for them to develop?

At the present our midfield stocks are fine, so I didn't see the need of overflowing them with armfield and browne.

 

[The Old Dark Navy's]

Browne is a genuine small defender, not a midfielder played there out of necessity. He will be the one shutting down the Daveys and Farmers of the AFL. He was also taken lower than where he was expected to go so the best available policy came into play.

Armfield is physically ready to go right away. We felt that we were too young and underdeveloped so took a chance at #46. Sounds like he has a better chance of making it than a KPP taken after #46 would have.

 

[Silvagnis]

Carlton are in need of tall defenders, yet with our 2nd and 3rd picks in the draft we went with small midfielders/small defenders.
Don't you think we could've been better off drafting 2 big bodies and waiting for them to develop?

At the present our midfield stocks are fine, so I didn't see the need of overflowing them with armfield and browne.

Have you seen them play in the Bigpond videos?

There weren't any decent talls available at picks 36 and 46 and we rated Browne and Armfield highly.

Great selections based on the footage in those two videos.

We've got plenty of tall defenders coming through but few speedsters and defensive midfielders/backman like Armfield and Browne.

I back the club ahead of internet experts who haven't seen them play at least 20 times.

 

[no. 4]

No real point considering we have several players who will develop into the tall backmen for the club. If they want to pick up a backmen they will do it in the PSD where they can pick at a mature defender. The football department will be hoping Jamieson, Bower, Austin and O'hAilpin all develop into key position dfenders.

 

[Staaar_Blue]

Do not think either of the two players drafted will be the types to stand in the midfield or around stoppages. Browne for mine will play on a half back flank but his speed off a mark to match the likes of some of the good goal sneaks of the afl is questionable and is not the way we will probably see him as a player. Not sure if people will agree but when I see him play he reminds me of a l gilbee type.

As for Armfield he looks to have the goods to take the role bannister plays almost immediately. Is tough and accountable and has great speed. This boy will be pushing others for a spot.

The pick up of these two players did not directly solve anything for our kpp defensive stocks but if we did draft to do so we would've gone against drafting the best available and would have waited to see the kpp players develop. I think with jamison looking the goods and austin having great footy smarts it will not be long before our defense comes along.

 

[setanta17]

No real point considering we have several players who will develop into the tall backmen for the club. If they want to pick up a backmen they will do it in the PSD where they can pick at a mature defender. The football department will be hoping Jamieson, Bower, Austin and O'hAilpin all develop into key position dfenders.

sorry but out of jamieson, bower, austin and o'hAilpin: Setanta is the only really big body. Jamieson can't cope with the tall forwards- as he played well on medhurst but struggled on lloyd. bower also isnt big enough to play key position and austin is still a while away.

 

[setanta17]

Have you seen them play in the Bigpond videos?

There weren't any decent talls available at picks 36 and 46 and we rated Browne and Armfield highly.

Great selections based on the footage in those two videos.

We've got plenty of tall defenders coming through but few speedsters and defensive midfielders/backman like Armfield and Browne.

I back the club ahead of internet experts who haven't seen them play at least 20 times.

i have watched the highlights. but im just making the point of us not needing any more midfielders- ARMFIELD!

 

[Bluebear]

i have watched the highlights. but im just making the point of us not needing any more midfielders- ARMFIELD!

I guess the point is that if we took a KPP at 36 and 46, they would have been more speculative than the ones we are already developing.
Both O'hAiplins, Hartlett, Austin, Bower, Jammo to add into Thornton, Waite, Fisher, Fev........and dare I say it (don't kill me).......Saddo with another full pre-season into is knee.

Not to mention Kreuzer and Cloke.

We were the tallest team in the AFL last year, and we lack serious pace, especially in defence.
They look like two good prospects, and will put a number of players on notice.
Russell, Blackwell, Bentick, Benjamin, Anderson, Jackson.

All fighting for one or two spots on the periphery of the enior side with Hadley, Browne and Armfield pushinf for those spots as well.

Ahhhh, thank god. Genuine competition for midfield spots at last. This should be good.

 

[Pred_ator]

sorry but out of jamieson, bower, austin and o'hAilpin: Setanta is the only really big body. Jamieson can't cope with the tall forwards- as he played well on medhurst but struggled on lloyd. bower also isnt big enough to play key position and austin is still a while away.

Trust me, attend the Carlton family day and check them out in the flesh. I'm positive your view on a lack of big bodies will change.

 

[JavaBlue]

Carlton are in need of tall defenders, yet with our 2nd and 3rd picks in the draft we went with small midfielders/small defenders.
Don't you think we could've been better off drafting 2 big bodies and waiting for them to develop?

At the present our midfield stocks are fine, so I didn't see the need of overflowing them with armfield and browne.

Ahh the old we-need-tall defenders myth. Who are the these two big bodies we could have drafted at picks 36 and 46? And why would you wait for them to develop when you can't be bothered waiting for the almost dozen bodies we already have to develop?

Currently we're still about 6 mid-types below what other AFL mature lists have.

 

[specky mann]

i don't know care wht u really think about browne, but he was on of the best player against victoria in the TAC cup. He is also a fast running defender who can stop players like Alwyn Davey, Leroy Jetta and Adrew Lovett the three fastest players in the essendon side.

 

[as0l0]

Don't you think we could've been better off drafting 2 big bodies and waiting for them to develop?

into what? father son pick providers?

the club knows best, they have my full support.

 

[Donstuie]

What a silly thread

 

[Zachy45]

check the recruitment thread on TC. it gives you a good insight into why we went the way we did.
our recruiters had rated Browne and Armfield in the top 25 of the draft. Browne being top 20. when it came to pick 36 he was the highest rated player that was left.

Jamison, Bower, Austin etc, etc. will only get bigger. we have a stack of development players on our list as it is. we can't have a list full of them.

Don't forget the PSD/Rookie drafts are stll to come.

 

[OZBomb]

Ahh the old we-need-tall defenders myth. Who are the these two big bodies we could have drafted at picks 36 and 46? And why would you wait for them to develop when you can't be bothered waiting for the almost dozen bodies we already have to develop?

Currently we're still about 6 mid-types below what other AFL mature lists have.

Thank god someone saved me typing that.

 

[Salaryman]

Carlton are in need of tall defenders, yet with our 2nd and 3rd picks in the draft we went with small midfielders/small defenders.
Don't you think we could've been better off drafting 2 big bodies and waiting for them to develop?

At the present our midfield stocks are fine, so I didn't see the need of overflowing them with armfield and browne.

Ahhhh, the hindsight draft experts are my favourite flavour of BF nuff nuff

 

[Cruiser23]

We used those two picks to get what we needed the most, forward pressure, pace and a small defender. This draft was very weak, as many people have said, who would we have picked? We should have a top ten pick next year which is meant to be a quality draft, so i'd think we would take the extra tall then.

Have faith in players like Austin, Jamison, O'Halpin's, Bower and Hartlett. They have only been in the system a very short while, give them time to develop, it take a lot longer for talls to reach there potential.

Comments about us needing talls seem to have been associated with other supporters assessment of our teams weaknesses. Screw what they think, their comments about our talent is always going to be negative.

 

[thylacine60]

Carlton are in need of tall defenders, yet with our 2nd and 3rd picks in the draft we went with small midfielders/small defenders.
Don't you think we could've been better off drafting 2 big bodies and waiting for them to develop?

At the present our midfield stocks are fine, so I didn't see the need of overflowing them with armfield and browne.

Even if you are right (which you're not) how is it "ironic"?

 

[marcmurphy3]

Even if you are right (which you're not) how is it "ironic"?

Thats what I was thinking.

 

[btdg]

Not ironic in any way at all.

That said, I think it was smart recruiting. Nothing is more destined to fail than drafting based on 'need'. As soon as you start shoe-horning 17yo kids into filling specific gaps in your team, you are in trouble. You take the best prospect, and where possible you take guys who can play specific positions - regardless of need.

Both our later picks fill that strategy. Both have certain attributes that indicate they can be successful at AFL level, which is a pretty good haul from 2 late picks in a shallow draft. Had we tried to conjure a tall defender when there simply wasn't one available, we get nothing.

I would have liked a speculative big with our last pick, but the pick we took seems logical and thought-out, and you can't ask much more than that.

 

[setanta17]

Even if you are right (which you're not) how is it "ironic"?

i just heard a carlton supporter ringing up on sen the other night and discussing the topic of us picking up 2 mids instead of a 2 talls.
i wanted to just bring it up.

 

[Pafloyul]

Geez, people, just because we went the way we did does not change the situation.

Even when the so-called Trolls attack they know where to aim even if they miss by miles. One truth does not make another a myth. We are a couple of key position players short even if we are not going to get them this year.

 

[Pafloyul]

Ahhhh, the hindsight draft experts are my favourite flavour of BF nuff nuff

That's convenient, how can you call an objection (for want of a better word) if you don't know something is going to occur?

So you watch a few games now Gilly, it still does not make your opinions theoretically sounder than others. Save some smugness for when we rise up the ladder a bit.

 

[Andyt31]

Carlton are in need of tall defenders, yet with our 2nd and 3rd picks in the draft we went with small midfielders/small defenders.
Don't you think we could've been better off drafting 2 big bodies and waiting for them to develop?

At the present our midfield stocks are fine, so I didn't see the need of overflowing them with armfield and browne.

count our stars Lucky we managed to keep t-Bird if we lost him we'll be in deeper troubles downback

 

[Salaryman]

That's convenient, how can you call an objection (for want of a better word) if you don't know something is going to occur?

So you watch a few games now Gilly, it still does not make your opinions theoretically sounder than others. Save some smugness for when we rise up the ladder a bit.

It really amazes me the way you organise thoughts in your head.... I recommend some Stellazine . Once again, I have no idea the point you are trying to make. I described your comment to my work colleague (quite a smart fellow to boot) and he had no idea either.

If you are asking how I can object to the OP if I dont' know the future?? Well recruiting is hard enough without trying to gaze into a crystal ball as well.

Just for the sake of transparency I probably averaged 1.5 TAC games a week, champs trial games, div2 challenge cup, trial matches leading up to the champs....all the champs games bar the 2 in NSW, then some ABC2 games to top it off. Yes, I was single and slightly obsessive with too much time on my hands ...big deal, I had a ball.

I made a list of my top 65 prior to the draft......and you are correct....I probably got some right and I got some very wrong...I am not infallable. What I do know is that Wayne Hughes has 20 years of experience in the gig.....Shane Rogers is also a very shrewd spotter of talent.....like them I found it very hard to find a KPP beyond 20 that was worthy of our #36 or #46 selection. Like them, my middle tier of players ranked 20-40 mainly consisted of running types.

If I come across sometimes as arrogant or pious, it is because I am at work and usually don't feel the need or ability to make long posts like this, so my brevity might make me appear to have a 'superior' attitude....those who know me will tell you this isn't the case. In fact I will tell you openly that I think anopther poster on our board, TGR is a more astute hobbyist and observer of talent than I.