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Evolution deals with the appearance of various animal species as well as the appearance of homo sapiens on the planet. So does part of the creation narrative of Genesis 1.20 to 1.31
Ok so the Bible deals with the supernatural and the creation of something from nothing and you think throwing science around has some value to all this ?
If it was about science it wouldn’t be in the Bible.

Throwing science at the Bible .. I know Hitchens and co made a good living from it and good luck to them but I honestly we all know snakes can’t talk and you can’t come back from the dead and if you could come back from the dead that wouldn’t be in the Bible either.
 

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I'm at Philip island boys


so not on as much

Darwin's theory not only is old and done before DNA was discovered

but it also flies against the law of thermodynamics or endropy

which means for two debates straight you are promoting a theory over scientific laws


you're randomly changing a computer program billions and billions of times and expecting it to be better

that's actually not scientific and science itself can't handle the chaos into order theory within science

if you make a monkey in charge of a building project

even a simple one and you're expecting random decisions the a monkey will make ( but you give the monkey all the building materials to create the project and plus the equipment

it won't and can't happen

this is the law you're promoting against in Darwinian theory!

The other laughable thing is turning non organic matter into organic matter to kick all this off!


none of this has ever been proven
 

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But why throw them up against a creation story?
To say it a better explanation than some sheep herders thousand a of years ago is dishonest. The Big Bang and evolution have nothing to with creation.
but you're saying the sheep herders can't be smart
The ancient Greeks would have you for brekkie..

lol
 

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they have much in common

they're both flying against scientific law and are scientific theory

for instance

are you a theorist or so you follow laws in science?


I don't believe you understand the word theory

just do something for us

because you believe in evolution

create your own project

turn organic matter into organic

then create something that will prove what DNA says is impossible and change species from one thing into another

and also prove for us chaos into order and kill the entropy law of science


or are you following a consensus that is presented as truth?

then explain the reproducible crisis for us

once you do these things yourself I'll believe you

The moment you don't know what you're talking about and rely on the works of others who you have no clue how they actually got to their results I can't take you seriously

because science theory is about some consensus and consensus is formed in all kinds of ways

money is one of those ways

you won't get grants or funding for certain research over other research

but one thing is for sure nobody denies cause and effect
or thermodynamics laws

The common descendent theory is a nice theory in the midst of a world that's pushing globalism

it's very nice for eugenics

and I'm wondering why the monkeys didn't all become man

monkeys have lived besides humans why didn't they take the leap over?

there's more questions than answers

but one thing is for sure

you haven't done your own research and dispelled the laws that go contrary to THEORY to turn those laws into garbage and the theory into law
 
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in the beginning there was God

and God said " let there be light!"

cause and effect

disprove it

or give me a scientific explanation and I'll go with it
But if you are arguing the Big Bang occurred, wouldn’t you be arguing that the scientists are correct?

Additionally, how do you know God said “let there be light”?
 

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as for Evolution and selective stuff

how has stuff been tested

Darwin was around two hundred years ago
he made his theories on his collection of stuff

he wasn't privy to DNA tests that dispell stuff he believed back then

for instance you can't change stuff
a Bactria can not become a dog

a dog can't be mutated to become a mouse

a mouse can not be mutated to become a shark

that flies in the face of everything we know today!



we know this from DNA

and he wasn't around when we found out about chromosomes

there's are so many gaps in fossils it's ridiculous

we only see varied species there's too many missing links so there's no sequence to anything

The fact that lightning can hit water and make inorganic matter organic has never been shown

The fact that a out of chaos can come order goes against scientific laws

you can't have a hurricane clean up a city and throw thingz everywhere and return it to a perfect fictional City or anything

that's a scientific law

and yet these are the kinds of things we're asked to believe unequivocally!

you can study these things as many times as you want but they don't happen lol
Lol
You clearly don’t understand what a scientific theory nor law is!
And lol to your cat into a mouse nonsense, go study evolution mate!
You clearly have not studied any of the arguments against your position, arguments from ignorance fallacy will not be excepted!
Perhaps you should also look into fallacious arguments before looking ridiculous?
 

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As for your “cause and effect” argument, better known as The Kalam Cosmological Argument, it has been debunked numerous times, by numerous people!
Here’s a young English guy, with a YouTube channel called Rationality Rules, here he is debunking your awesome cause and effect argument in several minutes!

 

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in the beginning there was God

and God said " let there be light!"

cause and effect

disprove it

or give me a scientific explanation and I'll go with it
4 days had passed before he said “let there be light”
I’ll just let that sink in!
 

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This is how I see evolution. As machines have evolved the human spirit has devolved. Hence the rise in the irreligious. Or... look a black hole that means we are really clever and there is no God because look it’s a black hole.
Define “spirit” and make an argument for your claim first?
And yes, the photo of the black hole is a more defining moment in humanity than anything theism has ever offered!
A woman was responsible too, quite a feat!
 

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FWIW my everyday "theory" for pre big bang is that the Universe is eternal, infinite both in space and time. I have no supportive evidence for this opinion much like the god believers although I wont be sprouting my opinion in an evangelical manner.

Certainly makes a lot more sense than a god....... to me anyway.
 

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An oldie but a goodie, have never heard even a vaguely plausible answer; except from literalists who suddenly become poets.
Yes, the old “but day is defined differently by whom nothing is impossible” is the best I’ve heard.
It’s still an empty claim though!
 

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Yes, the old “but day is defined differently by whom nothing is impossible” is the best I’ve heard.
It’s still an empty claim though!
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“And how could creation take place in time, seeing time was born along with things which exist? . . . That, then, we may be taught that the world was originated and not suppose that God made it in time, prophecy adds: ‘This is the book of the generation, also of the things in them, when they were created in the day that God made heaven and earth’ [Gen. 2:4]. For the expression ‘when they were created’ intimates an indefinite and dateless production. But the expression ‘in the day that God made them,’ that is, in and by which God made ‘all things,’ and ‘without which not even one thing was made,’ points out the activity exerted by the Son” (Miscellanies 6:16 [A.D. 208]).
 
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