Gym & Misc Irritating people/things that annoy you in the gym II

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How's that any different to your (proposed) study?
You are legitimately implying that published incorrect or irrelevant research data is better than publishing none at all.
My proposed study had no hypothesis or aim or any purpose lol. It was just an example I used to demonstrate the number of factors you need to take into account when it comes to running a study just from the data collection side alone. Things are not as simple or easy as you guys are making it out to be.
 

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It's a common viewpoint held by Uni academics, it keeps them getting funding. The shit I've seen some friends get approved at very large Melbourne unis is a joke.
I've come across a few studies that have been sub-Mythbuster level lol
Small sample size
Virtually no control of variables
A topic that was inconsequential to anything etc
 
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I used bankruptcy as an example to place a time limit in your example. A research equivalent would be having a timeline to finish the study due to funding requirements. You are going bankrupt from cost of living, not having enough clients and cashflow, rent for the space you are conducting your business out of, existing advertising costs, mortgage, and so on.



Twice as long is a big deal when you are dealing with a large group of people, and you still have to take account getting people to show up. Since you've worked with clients I'm sure you know how annoying it can get just to get 1 person to turn up.



Notsureifsrs. LOL. Agree to disagree.



Notsureifsrs. I repeatedly said you shouldn't use it on individuals ... I'm saying the BMI has some merit if people use it for what it's for.
Well now you've just made the comparison non existent. Well done. You started so vague it didn't apply, and now have ended up the opposite.

If your data is infinitely more accurate then you don't need such a large research group... Surely you know that

Yes I am serious. If you developed a hypothesis then are using flawed data to decide whether it's worth testing you're wasting time and resources. (Also you seem to have shifted the goal posts quite far. It's gone from its useful in studies to now needing other information to be useful. What other information? How do you get this with all the limitations you said you have?)

Yes. I'm serious. We were discussing individuals. You shifted it to defend BMI from a completely non related standpoint. How are you confused by this? Literally explained how you've vastly shifted the topic from our complaints and hence your defense is not valid (3 times now)
 

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My proposed study had no hypothesis or aim or any purpose lol. It was just an example I used to demonstrate the number of factors you need to take into account when it comes to running a study just from the data collection side alone. Things are not as simple or easy as you guys are making it out to be.
Yes, and my view point is that using self reported BMI is pointless because the raw data is bin worthy, just like you'd throw in the bin 5mil anecdotal reports of people sticking their hand in the water and adjusting the water temperature

And if you're going to do the assessment yourself on the participants than WHR >>>>>>>>>>> BMI
 
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My proposed study had no hypothesis or aim or any purpose lol. It was just an example I used to demonstrate the number of factors you need to take into account when it comes to running a study just from the data collection side alone. Things are not as simple or easy as you guys are making it out to be.
So what measures to ensure accuracy did the actual study you were involved in use?
 

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TL:DR:

There is a correlation between BMI and fat mass. However not enough to draw relevant conclusions in individuals

However, can be of use to draw relevant trends in populations.

DemonTim and Aeglos argue BMI is completely useless in every scenario and that other methods should be used to identify trends in populations

Wakeuppies argues such methods wouldn't be feasible due to time and resource constraints. Hence why BMI is still used today.

.... now back to irritating people/things that annoy you in the gym.
 

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To break up the bmi argument.....

Guy at work,,older than me in late 40s, fairly fit, no smoking and only drinks a few ports was talking to me on Monday at work.
Said his back has been really sore and his BIL made him an appointment with a chiropractic...fair enough.
We were then chatting away and he asked me how I was going with my routine id started etc.
I said it's going good, apart from a crap pain right in the centre of my butt check that feels like the hip joint it's been good.
I said ive been doing some reading up on kettle bells for the last fortnight or so and will get myself into that maybe twice a week and I'm reading a pdf on it now

He then proceeded to say he was doing some kettle work on a sunday in the gym at work.
Cool, what are you doing i asked
He said he was bending over and picking up the kettle and then bending down and putting it back down, two sets of ten reps
Using a 20kg kettle....having never done it before, never read anything before except look at the pic on the gym wall

I asked him if he knew why his back was stuffed.....said he wasn't sure o_O
We parted ways and he went back to what he was doing.....picking up 9 kilo cartons from the pallet on the floor UP to a pallet at waist high, no pivoting of feet no proper tech no idea basically.

I mean we all do something wrong in form now and then but bloody hell, you're picking up a 20kg kettle bell and putting it down having never done it before and don't follow manual handling practices all night while at work.....and you wonder why your backs killing you???

Not a proper rant about gym etiquette but just makes me shake my head sometimes
I mean I'm a newbie to all this but the reasons why the bloke had a crook back were staring him in the face and he couldn't put 2 and 2 together
 
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To break up the bmi argument.....

Guy at work,,older than me in late 40s, fairly fit, no smoking and only drinks a few ports was talking to me on Monday at work.
Said his back has been really sore and his BIL made him an appointment with a chiropractic...fair enough.
We were then chatting away and he asked me how I was going with my routine id started etc.
I said it's going good, apart from a crap pain right in the centre of my butt check that feels like the hip joint it's been good.
I said ive been doing some reading up on kettle bells for the last fortnight or so and will get myself into that maybe twice a week and I'm reading a pdf on it now

He then proceeded to say he was doing some kettle work on a sunday in the gym at work.
Cool, what are you doing i asked
He said he was bending over and picking up the kettle and then bending down and putting it back down, two sets of ten reps
Using a 20kg kettle....having never done it before, never read anything before except look at the pic on the gym wall

I asked him if he knew why his back was stuffed.....said he wasn't sure o_O
We parted ways and he went back to what he was doing.....picking up 9 kilo cartons from the pallet on the floor UP to a pallet at waist high, no pivoting of feet no proper tech no idea basically.

I mean we all do something wrong in form now and then but bloody hell, you're picking up a 20kg kettle bell and putting it down having never done it before and don't follow manual handling practices all night while at work.....and you wonder why your backs killing you???

Not a proper rant about gym etiquette but just makes me shake my head sometimes
I mean I'm a newbie to all this but the reasons why the bloke had a crook back were staring him in the face and he couldn't put 2 and 2 together
Most people don't pay attention to form and can't tell when their form is off
Me and my missus have started training together (different programs, but training same muscle group at the same time) for most sessions, we coach each other through sets. She was genuinely surprised when I was able to tell when my form was off, said in her 3 years at her course and all the stuff they did there it was a rarity. And that's in qualified people. God help those with no experience.
 

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I do some nightfill and one of the young guys there is always picking stuff up with the worst possible form - rounded back, no drive from legs, twisting while bent, etc. I'm always telling him his back is going to be stuffed soon and he says it doesn't matter because his back is already stuffed. Yeah, no wonder.
 

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It's amazing
We get physio's sent to work, we get manual handling training, there's posters everywhere, we have a health and wellbeing program, they even used footage from the many multiple cameras to show us our lifting techniques, there's even a procedure to get on and off equipment.....and guys completely do the opposite.
 

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two different members at two different times doing squats...............knees caving in, heels lifting off the floor. i think they felt good about doing it with the 20kg plates on the bar though. **** me!
 

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members who i haven't seen in a while but remained paid-up members have come back into the gym with their resolution to exercise more in the new year. gym is busier than ever and they hog pieces and areas doing BS isolation exercises. **** me!
 

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members who i haven't seen in a while but remained paid-up members have come back into the gym with their resolution to exercise more in the new year. gym is busier than ever and they hog pieces and areas doing BS isolation exercises. **** me!
It's weird but I've only seen one new guy at my gym, normally the resolutioners flock in for the first couple of weeks.

Did have one guy who was doing deads a couple of metres in front of the power rack, put the bench into the rack as if he was setting up for bench... and just use it to rest him mobile phone on.
Moved it when I asked him to but shaysus - using the power rack as a mobile phone holder?
 
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probably on the phone, yeah? **** me!
Even weirder is he wasn't. He was just standing on the foot pegs hands on the dip bar doing nothing for over 10 minutes.
Better than Goodlife. Trainers are doing it right now. Right in front of me. Lucky I'm doing shoulder press or it would be in my way
Or then there's the girl I went to high school with. Huge bitch. Rates herself 11/10. Using 5 sets of Dumbbells
 

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Might be controversial but PT's at big commercial gyms are a pain and almost a waste of time. Literally every machine has an explanation and most gyms offer a sign up consultation where they do a program for you.

With all the above and access to a trainer or staff member to ask question why do you need someone who takes dibs on 75 machines and inconveniences other gym users.

We all know its revenue raising but honestly.
so BAU then
I find a lot of the PT there just have no idea about Gym etiquette, they don't teach it or practice it, and they watch people using bad form and say nothing like, if you're not paying me I'm not helping, not to mention the ones who appear to actively teach bad form

still i gotta suck it up and start training again so unfit
not disagreeing with you re etiquette of some trainers, but why does a trainer who is paying rent to a gym need to go over to folks and correct their form? yes, there are trainers who do this in an attempt to generate business, but it's not up to a trainer who is not on the payroll of the gym to correct every members form. earning fees for their services is how trainers make a living. many gyms have cert 3 or 4 qualified staff employed by the gym itself to be a presence on the floor and help members with one-off questions and correcting form immediately if need be.
 
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not disagreeing with you re etiquette of some trainers, but why does a trainer who is paying rent to a gym need to go over to folks and correct their form? yes, there are trainers who do this in an attempt to generate business, but it's not up to a trainer who is not on the payroll of the gym to correct every members form. earning fees for their services is how trainers make a living. many gyms have cert 3 or 4 qualified staff employed by the gym itself to be a presence on the floor and help members with one-off questions and correcting form immediately if need be.
I've generally found even the employed trainers say nothing to anyone who isn't giving them $$$. I'm not sure how it all works, i assume it is a base rate and commission based or something?

its like everything i guess if the advice is good you want to hear it. Chain gyms rarely have trainers who give good advice (unless its about how to pose in the mirror after doing your bicep curls)
 
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