Opinion Is Ablett a traitor?

[Catman]

Soon as it was revealed he approached Gold Coast about the move, under three months after winning a premiership, then that was it for me.

The fact he proceeded to lie to the club and all the supporters who worshipped him has only made it worse.

Traitor isn't the right word, mercenary might be a better fit.

 

[Vdubs]

harley also said that judas would be selfish, and would make a decision without thinking of others

harley was also the one who said pay everyone and pay me what is left over (so no he would not have left for money)

As for Nathan, he will show how interested he is, total crap

He could have handlesdit better by saying he wanted to be close to his brother, he could have not sold gear at stupid prices, he could have listen to the coach, he could have not bitched about missing out on the brownlow, he could have not negotiated whilst being a GFC employee

That's when we were a near sure thing to making a GF, if there is such a thing, and Harley knew his time was borrowed. Harley had nothing in common with Ablett, except their hairdresser, and if he was in Gary's position, playing near the end of Geelong's era, not in the middle, pretty sure he would not be able to turn that offer down given his own circumstances with his wife etc in 2010. But as we know, he was already gone by that stage.

Nathan may surprise many. I still like looking at the 07 highlights package where Nathan featured a lot early on. The guy can play , just needs his mindset to be right and some luck with injuries which have plagued him since 2008.

If Gary had done IT in the way you describe, would you be more lenient? It would still be a devastating loss. Nobody should have to state their intentions until the year has finished and contract renewal time is imminent. At least some held out hope all season that he may just stay, rather than be depressed all year because they "knew" he was going.

What all of these posts really say is that you are hurting that Ablett has left, that you really do care, and the stronger the negative vitriole, the more it reflects that. We are really all the same. The only solace I can take out of it all is that we have been privileged to see him at his best with our team, unforgettable memories, and that the team he has gone to is not a traditional rival. How shat would you be if he went to Hawthorn?

 

[CF]

Re: Is G. Ablett a Traitor

is it possible to add some value

I simply replied to an article that the Judas had published today. It seems the Judas might need to build a bridge as well. But i do apologise for having an opinion.

Given that this is about the 20th thread you have made on this subject in general I think we have had enough of your opinion than we can possibly bare.

 

[LifeSpan-Void]

Can anyone detail Nathan Ablett's injuries since 2008, apart from a torn commitment muscle? Dude didn't play or even train in 2008.

 

[_Me_]

Re: Is G. Ablett a Traitor

Given that this is about the 20th thread you have made on this subject in general I think we have had enough of your opinion than we can possibly bare.

Given you are no longer in the seat, maybe you could speak for oneself. No-one is compelling you to read anything i post, or even respond in a thread. And i am glad your sentence strcture is so eloquent.

May i suggest you do not read my posts, and actually post something of value.

 

[_Me_]

Fooooorrrreeeeeeesssssstttt... Get over it already..Ablett is a rich man and loves the Gold Coast..Good on him.. move on Bartel be gone next..If you are still around next year will you come up with 100 threads on Bartel??

Mary, it was not I that was involved in a piece of shite in the hun. Bartel will not play the same games. GWS will not go after him as a priority, as he does not tick enough boxes, and will need to offer him mad cash to get him.

Ablett was solely about Ablett. Bartel is a balanced bloke and a true champion.

 

[JUBJUB]

Can anyone detail Nathan Ablett's injuries since 2008, apart from a torn commitment muscle? Dude didn't play or even train in 2008.

Seems to be an ankle injury excuse is always the reason but it's probably more he goes walkabout so they just use that injury excuse each time.

 

[MightyMark]

That's when we were a near sure thing to making a GF, if there is such a thing, and Harley knew his time was borrowed. Harley had nothing in common with Ablett, except their hairdresser, and if he was in Gary's position, playing near the end of Geelong's era, not in the middle, pretty sure he would not be able to turn that offer down given his own circumstances with his wife etc in 2010. But as we know, he was already gone by that stage.

Nathan may surprise many. I still like looking at the 07 highlights package where Nathan featured a lot early on. The guy can play , just needs his mindset to be right and some luck with injuries which have plagued him since 2008.

If Gary had done IT in the way you describe, would you be more lenient? It would still be a devastating loss. Nobody should have to state their intentions until the year has finished and contract renewal time is imminent. At least some held out hope all season that he may just stay, rather than be depressed all year because they "knew" he was going.

What all of these posts really say is that you are hurting that Ablett has left, that you really do care, and the stronger the negative vitriole, the more it reflects that. We are really all the same. The only solace I can take out of it all is that we have been privileged to see him at his best with our team, unforgettable memories, and that the team he has gone to is not a traditional rival. How shat would you be if he went to Hawthorn?

^^^ This. 100%. Sad to see him go, but lucky we had him at all. Football is a business and all players have an expiration date. I have no hard feelings towards him for leaving (and I find it hard to believe that everyone who hates him now wouldn't have given the decision due thought, and that none would have taken it). Yes it could have handled it better, but what do you expect, every move he made was scrutinized to within an inch of its life from every faction.

 

[LifeSpan-Void]

^^^ This. 100%. Sad to see him go, but lucky we had him at all. Football is a business and all players have an expiration date. I have no hard feelings towards him for leaving (and I find it hard to believe that everyone who hates him now wouldn't have given the decision due thought, and that none would have taken it). Yes it could have handled it better, but what do you expect, every move he made was scrutinized to within an inch of its life from every faction.

So when everything you do is scrutinised, then the only way to get an acceptable outcome is to be as open and transparent as possible. Why would you continue to tell half-truths and hide your intentions when the entire football public wants to know your intentions? "Could have handled it better" is a soft apologist excuse when the real hindsight is "Should have handled it completely the opposite to how he did". All that idealist fluff and proletariat prose about better to have loved and lost and maintaining faith in the club is whitewashing Ablett's self-serving behaviour in the months leading up to his departure, not the departure itself. He didn't need to sell off all of his memorabilia under false pretense, but he did anyway. He didn't need to start throwing little media curve balls about how he suddenly wanted to be a club captain, thus shitting on the selection process used by the club, but he did. He didn't need to write bullshit column after bullshit column about how he "just" decided, a mere 48 hours before the announcement, that he was leaving. It was terribly disingenuous of him to expect us to believe that was even remotely the case. He even arranged months in advance for his personal trainer to be shipped off to QLD in Dean Robinson - Thompson gave him immediate marching orders for a reason!

 

[maxy87]

Not even sure why I'm still involved in the ablett threads but anyway...
I'm not sure if I buy into the whole 'he owes us nothing and we're lucky to have him'. Really, he owed our great club a better explanation for leaving we deserved better. Lucky to have him? Yes in some respects but cast your mind back to 2001. Did he play any representative football at U16 or U18 level? Did he dominate TAC cup? He was picked up purely on name and on the strong likelihood that if coached and developed effectively may end up a similar player to his father. Again, this took a Tom Harley-led "leading teams meeting" in which he was told to get fitter and lift his game. In another environment he may never have been challenged to reach his full potential.

He is also lucky to have played in such a strong team that provided him with so much success. Lucky to be surrounded by a midfield that recognized his value and put their bodies on the line to protect him. Let's finish on the fact that the lads took pay cuts to stay together and perpetuate their success.

Yes, I can understand why Gary would want to step away from the Geelong limelight and the shadow of his father. It's for this reason I don't begrudge the decision to leave but all the BS and pay rise talk, along with the diplomatic BS about us being so glad for the memories is just that. BS. He was one member of a TEAM that enjoyed success and his actions were despicable.

He's dead to me now unfortunately but life goes on

 

[MightyMark]

So when everything you do is scrutinised, then the only way to get an acceptable outcome is to be as open and transparent as possible. Why would you continue to tell half-truths and hide your intentions when the entire football public wants to know your intentions? "Could have handled it better" is a soft apologist excuse when the real hindsight is "Should have handled it completely the opposite to how he did". All that idealist fluff and proletariat prose about better to have loved and lost and maintaining faith in the club is whitewashing Ablett's self-serving behaviour in the months leading up to his departure, not the departure itself. He didn't need to sell off all of his memorabilia under false pretense, but he did anyway. He didn't need to start throwing little media curve balls about how he suddenly wanted to be a club captain, thus shitting on the selection process used by the club, but he did. He didn't need to write bullshit column after bullshit column about how he "just" decided, a mere 48 hours before the announcement, that he was leaving. It was terribly disingenuous of him to expect us to believe that was even remotely the case. He even arranged months in advance for his personal trainer to be shipped off to QLD in Dean Robinson - Thompson gave him immediate marching orders for a reason!

Put your self in Abletts shoes, if he had of come out mid season and stated he was leaving, all the barrage of criticism he is subject to now is what he would have had to deal with for the rest of the season.
Yes, that would have been the right thing to do for the club and supporters, but after seeing the backlash im sure he feels vindicated.

Let me make myself clear, i'm not happy that he went, and i'm not happy about the way things transpired. But I can understand why he did it the way he did.
We all expect him to do right by the supporters but would we have reacted any different or would there be less cries of betrayal if he stated his intentions mid year?

We can’t expect every player on the list to play well under their market value simply because of loyalty. The cost of having a successful team is that the players involved will be poached. It is just unfortunate that in this case it was Ablett.

He wasn’t the first to up and leave and he won’t be the last. Lets move on, it’s the past now. We have more pressing issues to deal with presently (i.e. Bartel)

 

[vinum coupe]

What about if scully comes out and admits he is leaving?
Melbourne have nothing to lose, they may as well let him rot in the 2's

 

[Hoffy95]

What about if scully comes out and admits he is leaving?
Melbourne have nothing to lose, they may as well let him rot in the 2's

If he's in their best 22 they still play him for mine.

They will be seriously pushing for finals and maybe a win so I think you play the best side irrespective.

 

[LifeSpan-Void]

Put your self in Abletts shoes, if he had of come out mid season and stated he was leaving, all the barrage of criticism he is subject to now is what he would have had to deal with for the rest of the season.
Yes, that would have been the right thing to do for the club and supporters, but after seeing the backlash im sure he feels vindicated.

Let me make myself clear, i'm not happy that he went, and i'm not happy about the way things transpired. But I can understand why he did it the way he did.
We all expect him to do right by the supporters but would we have reacted any different or would there be less cries of betrayal if he stated his intentions mid year?

We can’t expect every player on the list to play well under their market value simply because of loyalty. The cost of having a successful team is that the players involved will be poached. It is just unfortunate that in this case it was Ablett.

He wasn’t the first to up and leave and he won’t be the last. Lets move on, it’s the past now. We have more pressing issues to deal with presently (i.e. Bartel)

To be honest, it would have been refreshing to see ANY of the players who left for GC say that they were going, but realistically most of them would have been dropped and left in the 2s for the season. Ablett's case was different - Geelong were still in contention for the flag, and Ablett is not someone you leave in the 2s simply because you don't like what he said.

Again I'll repeat this point: if you're leaving to make a bucketload of cash, why do you then proceed to rip off your former fans if you're anything but a c***? That's borderline scam territory right there, and also implies that Ablett hasn't valued his time at Geelong enough to want any sentimental items other than his Brownlow and Leigh Matthews trophies (I'm sure they gave him replicas or something).

And now we'll have to sit through another year of this bullshit with Bartel. Stay or go Jimmy, just don't jerk everyone off for a whole season.

 

[MightyMark]

To be honest, it would have been refreshing to see ANY of the players who left for GC say that they were going, but realistically most of them would have been dropped and left in the 2s for the season. Ablett's case was different - Geelong were still in contention for the flag, and Ablett is not someone you leave in the 2s simply because you don't like what he said.

Again I'll repeat this point: if you're leaving to make a bucketload of cash, why do you then proceed to rip off your former fans if you're anything but a c***? That's borderline scam territory right there, and also implies that Ablett hasn't valued his time at Geelong enough to want any sentimental items other than his Brownlow and Leigh Matthews trophies (I'm sure they gave him replicas or something).

And now we'll have to sit through another year of this bullshit with Bartel. Stay or go Jimmy, just don't jerk everyone off for a whole season.

Couldn't agree more there. But it seems with the other point we are making we are just going to go tit for tat. I can understand where you are coming from, and i'm not agruing against what your saying. I'm just trying to look at it from Abletts veiw. Try and get some perspective of why things happened they way they did.
I find it hard to believe that Ablett doesn't have a fair amount of loyalty for Geelong.
And lets face it, hindsight is a wonderful thing, if he had his time again he probably would have done it different, but who knows what was going through his mind at the time. I'm sure it wasn't anything to do with screwing the club or the supporters.

 

[LifeSpan-Void]

And lets face it, hindsight is a wonderful thing, if he had his time again he probably would have done it different, but who knows what was going through his mind at the time. I'm sure it wasn't anything to do with screwing the club or the supporters.

This I can't agree with, actions speak far louder than words or intentions and to squeeze the public (not a club, but individual people) of more money under false pretense, that is truly disgusting. Even if Pickering or Ablett Snr suggested it, Gary could still have said no to that website.

 

[Whiskers]

Yes he is a traitor. However i still see the occasional highlight of him and just smile. Like the Freo Geelong game was on fox and he got the ball outta the middle and drilled it, was all class. Who else can make something out of nothing on a regular basis?

I agree with the OP 100%, what does he think of his brother? He must be a traitor. Meeting with a club to talk, he chased them, they did not approach him and flogging off memorabilia. Gary you are to a wannabe A lister who is to obsessed with money. It will only get you so far, you will only waste it on more expensive poker tourneys which you suck at anyway and yes i should know. Respect is something you cannot buy.

You went about this terribly.

 

[LifeSpan-Void]

Yes he is a traitor. However i still see the occasional highlight of him and just smile. Like the Freo Geelong game was on fox and he got the ball outta the middle and drilled it, was all class. Who else can make something out of nothing on a regular basis?

I agree with the OP 100%, what does he think of his brother? He must be a traitor. Meeting with a club to talk, he chased them, they did not approach him and flogging off memorabilia. Gary you are to a wannabe A lister who is to obsessed with money. It will only get you so far, you will only waste it on more expensive poker tourneys which you suck at anyway and yes i should know. Respect is something you cannot buy.

You went about this terribly.

now THIS is an interesting post.

 

[Hoffy95]

I might have to go to the Gold Coast game and settle this properly.

Fight Ablett one on one like real men.

 

[SUNS]

Are Marcus Drum, Brad Ottens and Cam Mooney Traitors?

 

[LifeSpan-Void]

Are Marcus Drum, Brad Ottens and Cam Mooney Traitors?

Mooney played... 11? games for North, and was probably going to get the arse when Thompson traded for him. Drum was languishing in the WAFL, and wanted to come home to Victoria. Ottens was not well liked by Richmond supporters, and his injuries weren't being well managed by the clubs medicos by the state of him when he came over, plus they offered him, a 25 year old, a REDUCED contract. Not to mention Geelong organised picks 12 and 14 for him, which is more than what we got for Ablett.


The key thing to remember about all three of them is that their trades were orchestrated, negotiated and agreed to by both clubs within the boundaries of trade week - not some clandestine deal initiated by Ablett's management only a few months after winning a premiership.

None are comparable to Ablett and you're a joke for suggesting any of their situations come close.

 

[meto]

Are Marcus Drum, Brad Ottens and Cam Mooney Traitors?

That's about it! Fair point.

 

[maxy87]

That's about it! Fair point.

What a ridiculous statement. Mooney and Ottens were both let go by their clubs in a trade. They were both struggling AFL players at that time. Drum was homesick and battling injury at Freo. Neither of these players were superstars that walked out on their clubs for money, let alone tool their clubs for a ride on a merry go round.

Unbelievable

 

[maxy87]

By the way... Didn't mean to quote you meto. But still, it's nit really a fair point!

 

[JUBJUB]

Are Marcus Drum, Brad Ottens and Cam Mooney Traitors?

Mooney was traded by North as part of the Claytons captain deal
Drum wasn't getting a game and certainly didn't move to Geelong for money
Ottens wanted to get away from the feral Tigers supporters who bagged him because that's what their supporters do and he hated Terry Wallet [who doesn't ?]

Try again sunshine