Opinion Is Ablett a traitor?

[couchy555]

If you'd seen the interview we wouldn't be going on about another dig at Ablett

Yeah, i realise that, but that still dont explain why it was convient for me to miss the interview.
What, u think im getting some sort of pleasure trying to fault the guy?

 

[Vdubs]

Yeah, i realise that, but that still dont explain why it was convient for me to miss the interview.
What, u think im getting some sort of pleasure trying to fault the guy?

You are touchy about this, so maybe not for you, but plenty are.

 

[thedevilsowne]

I think him an thomson are, there's no other word for it. Dam Afl bringing in these teams. Yep I'm mostly annoyed now cas the Dee's may lose sculls. An where not gunna get compensated fairly. Not when u guys got shafted with your lack of compensation. Pick 8 in the future is rubbish when u are trying to have a tilt at a premership this year, just as where not going to get pick 1+ a later pick like the dee's deseve.
Sorry for ranting on your page, but it just ain't right.

 

[_Me_]

'Bruce' was in the box standing behind the coach.
Naf has probably gone walkabout or didn't want to play because big brother 'Bruce' wasn't playing.

i wonder what will happen this year when Lauren needs to go to the logies

will judas have a sore tummy

 

[_Me_]

so are you 2 going to apologise, or did you conveniently miss the interview with Pickers?

pickers has the honesty of nixon

 

[d_henderson1810]

Re: Is G. Ablett a Traitor

Traitor - a person who betrays another, a cause or trust. A double-crosser,
double-dealer or two-timer.

Did Ablett actively seek out the Suns whilst employed by the Cats? Yes
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How do you know he did this? Because, you, like a sheep, believe what the media told you?

Was he honest in all he said and did? No
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He wasn't dishonest either, though. He never said what he was doing, until he was out of contract. A lie would be if he said that he was staying at Geelong, but then joined the Suns. He didn't lie. He didn't tell the truth. He didn't tell us anything.

Besides, if you want to go after liars, why not attack Mark Thompson? He said he was "burntout", but then pops up at Essendon, fresh as a daisy. Talk about deceit. He also told Geelong that Essendon HADN'T spoken to him, when they had.
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Were his words and actions deceptive, manipulative and selfish? Yes indeed.
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How were his actions deceptive? He kept playing well, even to his last game for the club. So, playing well for us, when he is leaving is deceit, is it?
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Does that make him a traitor? That likely depends on your age and outlook.

Those of us old enough to remember when the VFL was played and promoted by people for the pure love of the game will likely see it as the ultimate act of treason by a mercenary.
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What about in 1975, and the ten-year-rule? There were mercenaries then, too. And you know the funny thing, Doug Wade has been accepted back by the Geelong faithful.

Ron Barassi was a mercenary when he left Melbourne for Carlton. So, players leaving clubs for other clubs has been happening for decades.
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Those who have grown up in todays society, where the love of money permeates everything, especially sport, will likely see it as an act of self-interest by a professional sportsman who is trying to maximise his financial earnings during a limited sporting career.

Sadly, I think money has become an excessive and addictive pursuit for sport, and somewhere along the way, the old-fashioned sense of morality and loyalty has been sacrificed.

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I think the old-fashioned sense of morality and loyalty being sacrificed is a greater reflection on society itself. It is not just isolated to sport, but just reflects where the world is going.
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This will only worsen with free agency, which will further weaken the sense of loyalty that is the fabric of any club.

Rant over. Sorry

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[JUBJUB]

i wonder what will happen this year when Lauren needs to go to the logies

will judas have a sore tummy

please get her name right,it's Teapot

 

[Cataholic]

Re: Is G. Ablett a Traitor

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Unless I have it wrong - and I stand to be corrected - McKenna himself said that Ablett approached them, which was a big surprise to the Sun's as they had previously considered Ablett to be unpoachable. Or words to that effect.

So no, I don't consider myself a 'sheep'. Not sure why you needed to resort to derisive insults so quickly. My post was simply my philosophical take on how and why I see people are divided on the issue. That's all.

Yes, I personally found Ablett's management of this issue to be amateurish and unsavoury, but let's agree to disagree and leave it at that hey?

 

[darren forssman]

If you'd seen the interview we wouldn't be going on about another dig at Ablett

for those of us without $$$tel what did pickers say?

 

[meto]

At the end of the day, as they say, it's a business, and haven't the AFL made that painfully obvious, its all power and money to them.

So now we have the players wising up to the fact that they've got to make the dollars while they can, unfortunately we carn't expect players to deny themselves their full market value, when the AFL system is now totally based on what's best for business.

The media decrying the lack of loyalty by the players are once again engaging in hypocracy on behalf of the greedy establishment, deflecting attention from the real perpetrators of this grab for cash, the Afl mafia, feathering their own nest, as usual.

That's why I don't blame Gary, because after footy no one cares, you've got to look after yourself, the AFL have led by example.

 

[Pollywaffle]

One of the other incentives that people are overlooking was that Ablett was in a fishbowl in geelong/melbourne and moving to the GC would have restored some level of anonymity for the poor guy whom I believe is a fairly shy and private personality type- when it is all said and done.
That would have been worth quite a lot to him He wouldn't really fess up to it for various reasons

 

[LifeSpan-Void]

One of the other incentives that people are overlooking was that Ablett was in a fishbowl in geelong/melbourne and moving to the GC would have restored some level of anonymity for the poor guy whom I believe is a fairly shy and private personality type- when it is all said and done.
That would have been worth quite a lot to him He wouldn't really fess up to it for various reasons

I'm not buying this line for a second. Gary "going to the Logies, want to be an actor, want to be a captain" Ablett, shy? The only time off-field media/public interest in him went into overdrive was when this crap about him having discussions with GC started.

 

[Pollywaffle]

maybe not so shy anymore............
but sure he would prefer some privacy / anonymity
Talking about just life in general, not press TV etc
Nice to go shopping or whatnot without people staring, or asking for autos or giving advice on how to shake a tag etc etc

 

[Gavin Excell]

Yes, Ablett is a traitor and in my eyes has really ruined his Geelong legacy, he SHOULDN'T go down as a legend at the club. He and Bomber were already committed to other clubs during last season, to me that's an absolute disgrace, none showed any class or loyalty and i couldn't care less as to what happens to them. Ablett just gave the club a big smack in the face, because me (like many others) thought Gary came accross as a man who loves Geelong and would be loyal to the club, we were wrong, the club has given him a lot and so has the fans (Can't deny he gave a lot to us aswell) and just left for extra $$$.

I think over time Gary will regret his decision

 

[ClassyCat]

I just heard a song on the radio...

"Gary doesn't like girls, he likes cars and money"

Should be a hit again on the GC

 

[Vdubs]

for those of us without $$$tel what did pickers say?

Pickering interviewed Ablett AT THE GAME. It's not what was said, which as you could guess was very little, it was the fact Ablett was there.

Ablett did say he was out for 1-2 weeks, and when it was suggested there may be a game against Geelong at the Cattery next week, Ablett laughed and said he was definitely out for 2 weeks.

 

[RegHickeyStand]

I'm heartened by some of the hate shown toward Gazza by some posters here. Disappointed by the lack of it from others.

Gosh! (is that too strong word?) An integral part of supporting your club is hating others. The bastards!

Dad wouldn't even let me barrack for Geelong until I proved to him I was worthy by really hating Collingwood. I was 8 at the time. He had a thing about Collingwood. He never forgave them for beating us in the 1930 GF. The bastards!

 

[d_henderson1810]

One of the other incentives that people are overlooking was that Ablett was in a fishbowl in geelong/melbourne and moving to the GC would have restored some level of anonymity for the poor guy whom I believe is a fairly shy and private personality type- when it is all said and done.
That would have been worth quite a lot to him He wouldn't really fess up to it for various reasons

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The only problem with him wanting anonymity is that the GC are wanting Gary Ablett not just for his footballing ability, but for his profile. They want to seel their club by claiming that they have the best player in the game playing for them. If Ablett remains anonymous, then they have wasted their money, because, as good as he is on the field, the AFL are also banking on Ablett being a marketing tool for GC. So, if GC is to succeed, Ablett can't be "unrecognized" in the street for too long.

Besides, I remember seeing on the National Draft telecast, which was held at the GC, that they showed the outside of the Suns headquarters, and there are pictures and flags with Ablett's photo everywhere, so he won't remain anonymous for long, and will go from walking down Geelong streets, and being recognized as Gary's kid, or a famous Geelong sportsman, to being recognized on Gold Coast streets as the most famous player at the Gold Coast AFL football club.

Hey Gazza, good luck at remaining anonymous!

 

[_Me_]

The case with JUDAS is that he has split opinion and clear bias being shown by supporters. There are 3 distinct camps, and he will never receive a warm welcome back at the cattery.

Football is not a business, because if it was none of us would let go of our hard earned to support a business. There is a passion. We buy the merchandise, we have our favourites and hate the opposition.

When we look at the JUDAS situation we see one very selfish child.

His family was supported when he was growing up by passionate Geelong people when his dad was off with the fairies.

The club covered up and paid for his father's indiscretions a number of times over.

His own father brought considerable trouble to the GFC and begged for money at every chance he got.

His brother was over paid, hidden from the media and given all opportunities to succeed. He walked out on the club, and looked after self.

Now to Judas.

He was overpaid when he signed his last contract with GFC, and he wanted a four year deal. He was to be well paid at GFC. But he left because he wanted more.

Good luck to him. But let us not make out that every other player would do the same because they didn't. Roo & Buddy stayed, and their ties were less strong.

But here we have Judas.

He wanted to be closer to his brother. His brother left Victoria to be a builder in queensland. Righto, his brother could not have come back to melb.

He didn't know he was going until late 2010 but yet he managed to:
a. approach the gc in 2009 about a position with him, when they thought he was untouchable
b. go on an overseas holiday with 24 family members paid for by anyone but him
c. allow the gc to use his image for promotions when he was a gfc employee, and do nothing about it when they did
d. talk with pickers about the strength of the gc squad in early 2010, despite claiming he was 90% sure he was staying
e. his family home in torquay was sold before he made up his mind he was going to gc
f. gablett sell off all their geelong gear for huge prices, a website conveniently shut down when the geelong season ends
g. he was such a team player that he was angry that bomber cost him a brownlow
h. he does not want publicity, yet will go to the opening of an envelope
i. he does not turn up to support his team mates when injured, he prefers to go to the logies and after parties

It is amazing that henderson and catman attack loyal supporters who oppose their view. They simply cant logically argue their case but resort to personal attacks. It would be nice for a discussion to occur without abuse.

 

[Jhye Clark 13]

Just go out the door past those eight premiership cups and head north until you come to a picket fence made of wooden spoons and you will be home,thanks for dropping in.

Thats gold!

 

[d_henderson1810]

The case with JUDAS is that he has split opinion and clear bias being shown by supporters. There are 3 distinct camps, and he will never receive a warm welcome back at the cattery.
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Re:-Yeah, like Doug Wade or Andrew Bews never received a warm welcome back at the Cattery. Whether you ever would have Ablett back or not doesn't matter. I think the fact that most of his team-mates accepted his right to make a decision like that, means that, if he comes back to the club as a midfield coach or to a premiership reunion, the players will have him there. Besides, you never know. Geelong may get his sons under the father-son rule. So, your thinking is naive.

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Football is not a business, because if it was none of us would let go of our hard earned to support a business. There is a passion. We buy the merchandise, we have our favourites and hate the opposition.
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Re:-You spend your hard-earned to support businesses all the time. Whenever you spend money buying something, it supports that business. You pay your hard-earned to be entertained by a footy team, and they have done it the last four years. So, you get back as much as you give.
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When we look at the JUDAS situation we see one very selfish child.

His family was supported when he was growing up by passionate Geelong people when his dad was off with the fairies.

The club covered up and paid for his father's indiscretions a number of times over.

His own father brought considerable trouble to the GFC and begged for money at every chance he got.
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Re:- So, you hate Ablett jnr so much, and are so jealous of him, that you attack his family too. What a scumbag you are, going after someone's family.

Ablett snr played for Geelong for most of his career. He was loyal to us when he played for us. He didn't leave us for another club, and possibly sold the club by his presence alone more than any other player we ever had. Don't tell me Ablett snr's great marks and kicks didn't thrill you.
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His brother was over paid, hidden from the media and given all opportunities to succeed. He walked out on the club, and looked after self.

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Re:- I agree with you on this. Still, I don't see what Gary jnr actions have to do with his brother or father. Maybe I should blame your stupidity on your family. How would you like that?
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Now to Judas.

He was overpaid when he signed his last contract with GFC, and he wanted a four year deal. He was to be well paid at GFC. But he left because he wanted more.

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Re:- As overpaid as you can be with a restrictive salary cap, forty other players the club have to pay, and a mean AFL which doesn't allow sponsorship or endorsement deals.

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Good luck to him. But let us not make out that every other player would do the same because they didn't. Roo & Buddy stayed, and their ties were less strong.

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Re:- Because Roo or Buddy weren't offered what Ablett was. If they were, they would have gone too.

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But here we have Judas.

He wanted to be closer to his brother. His brother left Victoria to be a builder in queensland. Righto, his brother could not have come back to melb.

He didn't know he was going until late 2010 but yet he managed to:
a. approach the gc in 2009 about a position with him, when they thought he was untouchable

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Re:- This is speculation based on media bullshit.
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b. go on an overseas holiday with 24 family members paid for by anyone but him
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Re:- This is no different to many people who go on business trips, paid for by the business, not them.
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c. allow the gc to use his image for promotions when he was a gfc employee, and do nothing about it when they did

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Re:- What should he have done- sued them?
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d. talk with pickers about the strength of the gc squad in early 2010, despite claiming he was 90% sure he was staying
e. his family home in torquay was sold before he made up his mind he was going to gc
f. gablett sell off all their geelong gear for huge prices, a website conveniently shut down when the geelong season ends
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Re:- I agree that the website was poor form.
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g. he was such a team player that he was angry that bomber cost him a brownlow
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Re:- I'd be angry to at the behaviour of my coach, if he says one thing and does another. Maybe you should call Bomber judas as well, but he isn't getting paid big money, which is what really bothers you?

Besides, Ablett came second, similar to 2007 and 2008, so Bomber's plan almost backfired, didn't it?
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h. he does not want publicity, yet will go to the opening of an envelope
i. he does not turn up to support his team mates when injured, he prefers to go to the logies and after parties

It is amazing that henderson and catman attack loyal supporters who oppose their view. They simply cant logically argue their case but resort to personal attacks. It would be nice for a discussion to occur without abuse.

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Re:- Personal attacks? All you have done is personally attack Ablett jnr, his father, brother, girlfriend and anyone else associated with him. You are the master of personal attacks on people.

If you think I got personal by saying that you are boring us with this tripe, then I stand by my "personal" attack.

Grow up !
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[_Me_]

Re:-Yeah, like Doug Wade or Andrew Bews never received a warm welcome back at the Cattery. Whether you ever would have Ablett back or not doesn't matter. I think the fact that most of his team-mates accepted his right to make a decision like that, means that, if he comes back to the club as a midfield coach or to a premiership reunion, the players will have him there. Besides, you never know. Geelong may get his sons under the father-son rule. So, your thinking is naive.

Personal insults again show a lack of intelligence.

No one you have mentioned comes close to the JUDAS situation. No-one you mentioned treated the club in a piss poor manner like JUDAS.


Re:- So, you hate Ablett jnr so much, and are so jealous of him, that you attack his family too. What a scumbag you are, going after someone's family.

Personal insults again.

I don't hate him.

Ablett snr played for Geelong for most of his career. He was loyal to us when he played for us. He didn't leave us for another club, and possibly sold the club by his presence alone more than any other player we ever had. Don't tell me Ablett snr's great marks and kicks didn't thrill you.

they did, he walked out on the club, and at one stage was likely to go back to the dawks. he was more than well compensated for his endeavours, and held the club to ransom.
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Re:- I agree with you on this. Still, I don't see what Gary jnr actions have to do with his brother or father. Maybe I should blame your stupidity on your family. How would you like that?

personal insults again.

He mentions them in his decision making process. They are relevant.

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Re:- As overpaid as you can be with a restrictive salary cap, forty other players the club have to pay, and a mean AFL which doesn't allow sponsorship or endorsement deals.

When he signed his last deal he was overpaid for what he had done to date. That is imple enough is it not.
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Re:- Because Roo or Buddy weren't offered what Ablett was. If they were, they would have gone too.

You are wrong again. On both fronts. They were offered $$$$, and stayed. Both would never have left.
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Re:- This is speculation based on media bullshit.

media speculation that he tried to influence.
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Re:- This is no different to many people who go on business trips, paid for by the business, not them.

It was paid for by a competing employer. This was totally unethical. You will excuse anything.
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Re:- What should he have done- sued them?

Yes, why not. If he had no intention of signing up for them why would you allow a competitor to use your image.
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Re:- I agree that the website was poor form.
Behaviour of a scumbag, not poor form.
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Re:- I'd be angry to at the behaviour of my coach, if he says one thing and does another. Maybe you should call Bomber judas as well, but he isn't getting paid big money, which is what really bothers you?

Besides, Ablett came second, similar to 2007 and 2008, so Bomber's plan almost backfired, didn't it?
Bomber was more team orientated than JUDAS. Wrong again Bomber is on huge coin, but he was and will always be a BOMBER.
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Re:- Personal attacks? All you have done is personally attack Ablett jnr, his father, brother, girlfriend and anyone else associated with him. You are the master of personal attacks on people.

If you think I got personal by saying that you are boring us with this tripe, then I stand by my "personal" attack.

I am arguing about a footballer, and not insulting you. Do you understand the difference? It is simple enough.

Grow up !
And another insult.

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Re:- Personal attacks? All you have done is personally attack Ablett jnr, his father, brother, girlfriend and anyone else associated with him. You are the master of personal attacks on people.

If you think I got personal by saying that you are boring us with this tripe, then I stand by my "personal" attack.

Grow up !
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Thanks again for a clear display of a complete lack of comprehensive skills. Your arguments lack substance, and you resort to pathetic barbs.

Off you go, the GC bus beckons

 

[Cataholic]

Maybe it is time to lock this thread, as others have previously suggested.

It seems there is too much raw emotion for many to discuss this calmly and rationally, without resorting to personal insults.

There is no constructive benefit to this debate right now, and therefore it should perhaps be left for discussion in time, if absolutely necessary and beneficial, when the emotion and anger surrounding this debate has subsided.

 

[Roadie]

This is just an extention of the build a bridge topic.

Seriously hendo what's the e.t.a of the bridge?

 

[_Me_]

Maybe it is time to lock this thread, as others have previously suggested.

It seems there is too much raw emotion for many to discuss this calmly and rationally, without resorting to personal insults.

There is no constructive benefit to this debate right now, and therefore it should perhaps be left for discussion in time, if absolutely necessary and beneficial, when the emotion and anger surrounding this debate has subsided.

not really
i think there are two distinct camps - and some like me who will never let it ride

and the abuse seems to stem from the pro ablett camp