Is Bevos time up?

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Where Beveridge remains coach,

- We dont want to go down the Melbourne path and piss every under performing player off but there are a few names that need to go, especially in the coaching dept.
- Hansen and Gia for one need to be moved on.
- The MC need a massive overhaul as well, they're looking out of touch.
- We need to find some players with a bit of mongrel in them (aka Clay Smith types)
- Get rid of the dead wood and go for some proven KPD's (face it - we have none right now)
Lol Mike, what is your problem with Hansen and Gia? Footscray are absolutely flying under Gia right now.
 

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I wont be reaponding to the question at hand as my opinions provide little insight into how to het this side rolling again.

However those in this thread suggesting Bont be moved on, is past his best etc have zero credibility and are acting irrationally at the worse possible time
 
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Absolutely agree with... the questioning of the second ruck option or lack of, Wallis and Dunkley in switched roles, and selection of two very vanilla debutants, when Lipinski is in very good form and we need a forward who can kick straight and Lew Young played well v Hawks and would release Wood to his third tall role. Beveridge deserves every bit of heat he cops this week. That was absolutely pathetic on sunday. The experimentation has gone far enough. When the saints, suns, dockers and blues have gone past you, it's time for questions to be asked.
 

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Absolutely agree with... the questioning of the second ruck option or lack of, Wallis and Dunkley in switched roles, and selection of two very vanilla debutants, when Lipinski is in very good form and we need a forward who can kick straight and Lew Young played well v Hawks and would release Wood to his third tall role. Beveridge deserves every bit of heat he cops this week. That was absolutely pathetic on sunday. The experimentation has gone far enough. When the saints, suns, dockers and blues have gone past you, it's time for questions to be asked.
Feels like he hasn’t copped any heat. Bont somehow copped a roast from Gary Lyon this morning and that’s all I’ve heard.
 
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Have to agree to disagree bud..Stringer was far from a gun during the 2016 finals series. Gowers has kicked 33 goals since the start of last year, Stringer 39. Thats a good effort from a kid still learning the game.

I think our inside mids are fine, the outside boys are really struggling.
Even if Stringer wasn't at his best, he was still an important presence for us up forward. Then you have Dickson who was on fire during the finals series, and even Tom Boyd was giving us something at the time.

Our forward line today is complete garbage by comparison.
 

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I’ve never got the Gia hate on here. Seems to be an assumption he’s a terrible coach based on absolutely no evidence. I’ve got no idea if he is or not but I doubt anyone here really knows either.
I don't get it either, but I think the perception is that it's bad to have people around too long.
 
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We shouldn't sack Beveridge - that's just crazy talk.

We do however need to be telling him some home truths and point out to him that the Premiership legacy is being tarnished by the team's dismal performance since 2016. Beveridge is fast running out of time to prove himself a great modern day coach. If Clarkson was our coach for 2017, 2018 and this season does anyone think we'd be questioning the team's performance or his own?

Beveridge has slid from being the next Clarkson, to being someone who is only dreaming of being Clarkson. He can turn that around but he needs to stop trying to be the smartest person in the room and just stick to what made him a Premiership Coach. If it ain't broke...don't fix it Bevo.
 

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A bit of an overreaction I think. Yes there is some questionable coaching and match day moves. Yes there might have some recruiting that some don't agree with. How much that comes down to Bevo's call or how much he leaves it in the hands of the recruiting team who knows. Some coaches make all the calls, some make none, some half and half.

Remember so far he has had....

2015 - A good year
2016 - A great year
2017 - An average year (solid start but faded hard)
2018 - A very poor year
2019 - Yet to be determined, but looking like another poor one

Remember Mark Thompson missed finals in 4 of 6 years early, and Cats fans were calling for him to be sacked. Hardwick missed finals for three years in a row and fans wanted him sacked. Some Hawks fans doubted Clarko early. Now imagine what would have happened if the clubs knee jerked reacted to impatient fans? None of them may have ended up with Premiership Cups. Teams that are patient and allow time for the list and game plan come together get rewarded. Those teams that change their coach every second year? Still linger around at the bottom most of the time.

Bevo has barely started or done a rebuild. Yes we have gotten rid of a few list cloggers, but it takes more than 2-3 years to change a list over full. When Bevo has the cattle, he is rated by peers as second hardest to coach against tactically behind Clarkson. Would trust the views of league coaches over fans who have zero clue about what goes on in the coaches box or the intended game plans inside out. Simply, Bevo has not got the talent and players at this point to really do much except persist. I give him a couple of more years before those pathetic sack Bevo, trade Bont over reacts.

To many are bubble wrapping the players and putting full heat on team selection and game day coaching, but Bevo cannot control poor disposal, brain dead decisions and players who drink their own bathwater after round 2 and drop the intensity levels. Even the best game plans won't work unless the players execute. In MY opinion, the players themselves are to blame majority for the poor efforts, skills and decision making.

A lot of those same people calling for his head are the same people who wanted us badly to recruit so and so player to the team in the past, only for that so and so player so still be s**t on another team, end up pissed when we didn't get them, and questioned our drafting of players who are now in our bests. Thank god they don't run the team, else we'd be spooning it every year.

The above coaches all had two or three really poor years where they were middle to bottom part of the bottom 8-10 teams, why can't Bevo be allowed the same? Gotta fall before you can rise.

The intensity of some peoples anger and verbal aggression makes me think we have been stuck on the bottom with no signs of improving for 5 or more years.

He has a couple more years credit in the bank to clean out more deadwood, find some solid talls, fill in team weaknesses, whilst natural progression and experience will see the club grow naturally in maturity. If we are still not rising or showing any improvements once our age and experience profile is no longer down the bottom of the league, then yes we can call for his head.
 
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A bit of an overreaction I think. Yes there is some questionable coaching and match day moves. Yes there might have some recruiting that some don't agree with. How much that comes down to Bevo's call or how much he leaves it in the hands of the recruiting team who knows. Some coaches make all the calls, some make none, some half and half.

Remember so far he has had....

2015 - A good year
2016 - A great year
2017 - An average year (solid start but faded hard)
2018 - A very poor year
2019 - Yet to be determined, but looking like another poor one

Remember Mark Thompson missed finals in 4 of 6 years early, and Cats fans were calling for him to be sacked. Hardwick missed finals for three years in a row and fans wanted him sacked. Some Hawks fans doubted Clarko early. Now imagine what would have happened if the clubs knee jerked reacted to impatient fans? None of them may have ended up with Premiership Cups. Teams that are patient and allow time for the list and game plan come together get rewarded. Those teams that change their coach every second year? Still linger around at the bottom most of the time.

Bevo has barely started or done a rebuild. Yes we have gotten rid of a few list cloggers, but it takes more than 2-3 years to change a list over full. When Bevo has the cattle, he is rated by peers as second hardest to coach against tactically behind Clarkson. Would trust the views of league coaches over fans who have zero clue about what goes on in the coaches box or the intended game plans inside out. Simply, Bevo has not got the talent and players at this point to really do much except persist. I give him a couple of more years before those pathetic sack Bevo, trade Bont over reacts.

To many are bubble wrapping the players and putting full heat on team selection and game day coaching, but Bevo cannot control poor disposal, brain dead decisions and players who drink their own bathwater after round 2 and drop the intensity levels. Even the best game plans won't work unless the players execute. In MY opinion, the players themselves are to blame majority for the poor efforts, skills and decision making.

A lot of those same people calling for his head are the same people who wanted us badly to recruit so and so player to the team in the past, only for that so and so player so still be s**t on another team, end up pissed when we didn't get them, and questioned our drafting of players who are now in our bests. Thank god they don't run the team, else we'd be spooning it every year.

The above coaches all had two or three really poor years where they were middle to bottom part of the bottom 8-10 teams, why can't Bevo be allowed the same? Gotta fall before you can rise.

The intensity of some peoples anger and verbal aggression makes me think we have been stuck on the bottom with no signs of improving for 5 or more years.

He has a couple more years credit in the bank to clean out more deadwood, find some solid talls, fill in team weaknesses, whilst natural progression and experience will see the club grow naturally in maturity. If we are still not rising or showing any improvements once our age and experience profile is no longer down the bottom of the league, then yes we can call for his head.
Great post. Not a chance he’s anywhere near being sacked. But I do hope he’s learnt a few lessons over the past few weeks.
 
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I was disappointed like everyone else after the weekend. To dump a coach mid year is crazy talk, as is trading our clear #1 player and #1 marketing tool. I feel Bevo is being too cleaver and needs to get back to basics and start over on some things.

- Trengove needs to come in to support the ruck. How we went in with Dunkley as back up is seriously flawed. Bevo seems to not rate the ruck position and has shown this on a number of occasions when he had Jong as 2nd ruck.
- Wallis to the forward line. He is a consistent goal kicker and we dont have many, can take an overhead mark and apply pressure in the forward line. He is solid in front of goal and should stay there. No idea why he is getting Libbas mid time.
- Schache needs to play and play CHF. He needs to be given time to develop and provided a specialist coach. He is a talent but plays like he is in fear of being dropped. We dont have anyone else pushing for selection as a gun CHF so he needs to be given games. Provided he is working on the craft as instructed, leave him in.
- Dunkley needs to stay the #@#@ out of the Fwd 50. He is a terrible shot and just burns chances to convert.
- Naughton to defence and Wood to take third defender. We need a tall defender back and another to come in ( probably Roberts until we can get someone better.) Losing Adams has hurt the balance (although he probably only gave us 7 games a year) We are too small and are getting cut up by ordinary forwardlines like Carlton. Morris out doesnt help. Wood is playing with zero confidence because he has been shifted around to areas that arent his strength. Just let him play his 2015/16 role of intercept / rebound.
- Boyd back in ASAP. Just play the guy at FF. At least he can bring it to ground if he doesn't mark it.
- JJ or Crozier to kick out. Ball needs to be run / kicked into the middle. Daniel is getting caught out when the kick in is short and turns over, comes back in and he is one on one with anyone taller than 5'5". Needs to be someone with a long kick or pace.

Goal kicking coach / practice / whatever
We lose games from poor goal kicking and have done for some time. Shots are either missed from short range, or we fail to get a shot within 30m of goal because we move it so slow out of defence, so have to take a low percentage shot. Often we are having a shot from 55m. Ball needs to move faster through the midfield (JJ and Crozier to kick in). We have Dickson at the club, is there an opportunity for him to work with the forwards? This area has been terrible for 3 years now. Improve this by 20% and we probably win 3 more games a year.

Just an observation but it is a worry when players leave and magically find their feet again at another club. Malthouse seemed to have an ability to work with all types of people and keep them motivated. For whatever reason Bevo doesnt have this skill and the club has never had the formula for this. Even Roughy seems to be better for having left. There is probably an variety of different reasons but we have lost more quality in the past 10 years than we have traded in, and dont seem to attract any serious quality players. We do seem to draft well though.

Full review at end of season needed.
 
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Not sure if you are serious about trading Bont - he played 2017/18 with a serious hip injury that he got in the second quarter of the 2016 preliminary final-- now he is over it is currently second in the coaches awards in is in top 5 in all media awards - and you want to offload him for Breust who bobs up with three goals every 4 or so games- his goal kicking is a disgrace but he is not the only player missing easy goals.. Even Dickson is not as reliable as he was. Our big problem is defence- when Cordy is your number defender at 193cm what hope have we got...what happened to L Young great first season for a rookie then unsighted for 12 months - plays against GC and he looked like a fish out of water - we will be wooden spooners this year. And playing McLean as a forward after a breakout year last year playing on ball...Bevo baffles me with his moves and stubbornness to change them when they are not working
 
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Fantastic appointment at the end of 2014 and he reinvigorated a bored list at the time climbing the moutain to the holy land but ever since then it seems like he has lost the plot.

He has pushed premiership players out that are performing well at their new clubs and his lack of structure in his team selections are a disaster. Seems to have favourites on the list while others are playing great footy at vfl level but cant get a look in.

Thoughts?
My thoughts are that your thoughts are typical of the fickle and short-sightedness of the regular fan.
 
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