Is Brett Ratten a genius? (Now with Poll)

Is Brett Ratten a genius?

  • Yes. Up there with Einstein and Da Vinci.

    Votes: 3 42.9%
  • Not a genius but a very good Assistant Coach

    Votes: 3 42.9%
  • ordinary assistant with a happy knack for arriving at a club during good times

    Votes: 1 14.3%
  • When Jack Watts finally hangs up his boots in 2030 he will walk in to a senior coaching position

    Votes: 0 0.0%

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chunkylover53

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Can you believe we sacked him after an 11 WIN SEASON?!

11 WINS?!?!

The things I'd do to see my team win 11 games this season........

In all seriousness what a shocking move that was. Had flaws as a coach but so does everyone, the fact he got us where we did (and were still a young side) with a completely incompetent football department speaks volumes. I find it very, very strange he hasn't found himself at another senior gig, is it because he doesn't want one or there is a bit of baggage? Can someone shed some light please?
 

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Shane Savage was on radio yesterday and he said Ratten has made “a massive difference” to their forward line structure. Taught them to take time and structure up better.
Comes as no surprise really. Neale Daniher waxed lyrical about him at Melbourne, as did Clarko and co at Hawthorn, and seemingly the same at the Saints now. And he'd be held in the same regard at Carlton if not for their "entitled, big-name only" ethos.

Was gutted he left HFC and would be my #1 choice post-Clarko by a country mile.


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I find it very, very strange he hasn't found himself at another senior gig, is it because he doesn't want one or there is a bit of baggage? Can someone shed some light please?
How many guys get a second crack at being a senior coach these days? Only real coaching veterans (Rodney Eade) or premiership winners (Paul Roos, Mick Malthouse, John Worsfold, Kevin Sheedy) seem to get another shot, and even a few of those have come in under special circumstances (league directive at Melbourne and GWS, Essendon saga, etc). Most aren't even willing to humble themselves to become an assistant at AFL level again straight away.
 

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How many guys get a second crack at being a senior coach these days? Only real coaching veterans (Rodney Eade) or premiership winners (Paul Roos, Mick Malthouse, John Worsfold, Kevin Sheedy) seem to get another shot, and even a few of those have come in under special circumstances (league directive at Melbourne and GWS, Essendon saga, etc). Most aren't even willing to humble themselves to become an assistant at AFL level again straight away.
True - but Ratten is a pretty rare case where he has been completely vindicated. In fact it has probably enhanced his coaching reputation.
 
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And he'd be held in the same regard at Carlton if not for their "entitled, big-name only" ethos.
That's a thing too, why wouldn't Ratten be considered a "big name" and "favourite son" at Carlton? 255 games, 3-time All-Australian, 3-time club B&F, former club captain, Premiership player. In the last 30 years at Carlton (he debuted in 1990), he'd be in or around the top 5 players/"names" (along with Kernahan, Diesel, Judd, and SOS, with names like Kouta, Craig Bradley, Marc Murphy, Fevola, Kade Simpson, Camporeale, Gibbs and Andy Mackay outside of that) on the field.
 

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That's a thing too, why wouldn't Ratten be considered a "big name" and "favourite son" at Carlton? 255 games, 3-time All-Australian, 3-time club B&F, former club captain, Premiership player. In the last 30 years at Carlton (he debuted in 1990), he'd be in or around the top 5 players/"names" (along with Kernahan, Diesel, Judd, and SOS, with names like Kouta, Craig Bradley, Marc Murphy, Fevola, Kade Simpson, Camporeale, Gibbs and Andy Mackay outside of that) on the field.
He was a favourite son but never a big name - probably because he's an all round great bloke and not an arrogant twat. Biggest issue was Malthouse was a bigger name so Carlton HAD to have him.

What a joke of a decision - actually makes me sick thinking about it.
 
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He was a favourite son but never a big name - probably because he's an all round great bloke and not an arrogant twat. Biggest issue was Malthouse was a bigger name so Carlton HAD to have him.

What a joke of a decision - actually makes me sick thinking about it.
Even if he was claiming otherwise after a year off, Malthouse was clearly mentally burnt out and done by the end of the 2011 Preliminary Final (watch the end of that match and his reaction to the result). A stupid move in hindsight, especially if they thought he'd go along with "the party line" and do and say what the president and board want (which he didn't in the end).
 

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And more than likely they are the same ones who want Bolton removed now ….. in other words, impatient idiots !!
much like those laughing at him and carlton after losing to GC in 2012 (a side which only won 2 other games that year) now consider him genius, i guess. his team in 2011 was - compared to the top 4 teams - labelled as full of soft one-way runners who would never take the next step without first getting a harder edge.

he may not have hit rock bottom like a lot of sacked coaches tend to do before being given the arse. but in the context of being one of the premiership favourites after 3 rounds, and then failing dismally by the end of the year, his sacking kind of makes sense.

in any case, the team was on a downward trend. he got sacked early enough to be considered a genius later on, instead of staying on to coach a team that would end up at the bottom of the ladder and have everyone forget about him. it was the best thing that could have happened to his career.
 

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How many guys get a second crack at being a senior coach these days? Only real coaching veterans (Rodney Eade) or premiership winners (Paul Roos, Mick Malthouse, John Worsfold, Kevin Sheedy) seem to get another shot, and even a few of those have come in under special circumstances (league directive at Melbourne and GWS, Essendon saga, etc). Most aren't even willing to humble themselves to become an assistant at AFL level again straight away.
Was thinking the same thing.

I can only see him going to a basket case that wants to rebuild.
 
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How many guys get a second crack at being a senior coach these days? Only real coaching veterans (Rodney Eade) or premiership winners (Paul Roos, Mick Malthouse, John Worsfold, Kevin Sheedy) seem to get another shot, and even a few of those have come in under special circumstances (league directive at Melbourne and GWS, Essendon saga, etc). Most aren't even willing to humble themselves to become an assistant at AFL level again straight away.
Rodney Eade got not only a second chance but then a third chance as well. Still not sure why the Suns thought he was the right man for the job.

Terry Wallace another who got a second chance.
 

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Looks a fair bit different to me.

Harder to score against and your defence always seems to be set.

Last year I remember when u seemed to have numbers that were static and just standing in position not near the ball.

Overall a different set up.
Playfair is the defensive coach, Ratten has the forwards.
 

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He's clearly very good at his job, not sure about a genius.

If St Kilda' s form continues he'll be looked at closely for a senior gig again. Luckily at this stage most senior coaches seem fairly safe, except may be Brad Scott, who has a year to run on his contract.
 
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Our game style really isn't that different, its just execution and confidence. Ratten can't have hurt and hes probably been a good influence, but belief is just as important
You cant just manufacture 'belief' out of thin air.


Saints now have 'belief' because the players actually do believe in the new game plan they have been given.
 

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If St Kilda continue with their form & play finals it adds more credence to the philosophy that it is better to add quality assistant coaches & strengthen your football department rather than prematurely sack your head coach. Richmond did it & won a flag. Collingwood did it, made a GF, & look a chance to go one step further this year & St Kilda have now also done it.

Could North supporters see their club retain Scott & go & poach a couple of the best assistants going around & strengthen their football department or do you simply want Scott sacked? Same question to those supporters of other clubs/coaches that are under pressure.

As an example, St Kilda over the past off season added:
- Brendan Lade - midfield coach
- Brett Ratten - forward & transition coach
- Billy Slater - Leadership & Development
- Darren O’Shaunghnessy - Senior Analyst
- Gubby Allen - List Management
 
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If St Kilda continue with their form & play finals it adds more credence to the philosophy that it is better to add quality assistant coaches & strengthen your football department rather than prematurely sack your head coach. Richmond did it & won a flag. Collingwood did it, made a GF, & look a chance to go one step further this year & St Kilda have now also done it.

Could North supporters see their club retain Scott & go & poach a couple of the best assistants going around & strengthen their football department or do you simply want Scott sacked? Same question to those supporters of other clubs/coaches that are under pressure.

As an example, St Kilda over the past off season added:
- Brendan Lade - midfield coach
- Brett Ratten - forward & transition coach
- Billy Slater - Leadership & Development
- Darren O’Shaunghnessy - Senior Analyst
- Gubby Allen - List Management
Agree with this. It seems to be a proven formula although Scott has been at North for a long time and they are still stuck in the middle. A fresh approach could do wonders for the club. We will wait and see..
 
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