Society/Culture Is Comedy Dead?

[Val Keating]

Jeselnik is hilarious.


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[the_interloper]

I wonder how Chappelle would feel about a trans woman getting up and gagging about n******.

Probably the same as Chappelli would feel if a trans woman got on stage and bagged Les Favell

 

[Gough]

Probably the same as Chappelli would feel if a trans woman got on stage and bagged Les Favell

So why should he get a free pass to have a pop a trans people when someone like Michael Richards' career ends up in the toilet for making some racist jokes?

 

[Kram]

Oh dear god the ignorance.

 

[Gough]

Oh dear god the ignorance.

Where am I going wrong?

 

[the_interloper]

So why should he get a free pass to have a pop a trans people when someone like Michael Richards' career ends up in the toilet for making some racist jokes?

This is the thing, he was hanging shit on his trans mate. I don’t think Michael Richards calling a random guy in the audience that word is equivalent.

I do understand that his “Team TERF” comment writes him off for a lot of people, maybe that’s equivalent to the N bomb some.

 

[Ghost Patrol]

Where am I going wrong?

He's invoking Jesus' dad. I'd be careful Gough!

 

[Gough]

This is the thing, he was hanging s**t on his trans mate. I don’t think Michael Richards calling a random guy in the audience that word is equivalent.

I do understand that his “Team TERF” comment writes him off for a lot of people, maybe that’s equivalent to the N bomb some.

Maybe someone could do some edgy comedy about black people and the right wing tropes about fatherless children and violence, I mean that could be funny and it's no more than Chapelle is doing.

 

[the_interloper]

Maybe someone could do some edgy comedy about black people and the right wing tropes about fatherless children and violence, I mean that could be funny and it's no more than Chapelle is doing.

Well I believe you can joke about anything, it depends on what the joke is (that's Ricky Gervais but I totally agree).

 

[Gethelred]

I suppose the question that needs to be asked is, why does speech need to be free? What ideal does speech being free satisfy? What does speech being free accomplish?

Then, does comedy that 'punches down' - regardless of who it punches down on - accomplish the same thing, satisfy the same ideal?

Are the goals of free speech satisfied or countered by comedy that punches down is I suppose what I'm asking.

 

[Gough]

Well I believe you can joke about anything, it depends on what the joke is (that's Ricky Gervais but I totally agree).

Do you think if someone got up there and started joking about black people like Chappelle does trans people that they'd get a Netflix deal? I'd suggest they probably wouldn't.

 

[Evolved1]

Do you think if someone got up there and started joking about black people like Chappelle does trans people that they'd get a Netflix deal? I'd suggest they probably wouldn't.

I dont see why not if there's commercial value in it. Racist, sexist, homophobic, etc comedy can be funny. Those who are offended by it aren't being forced to watch.

 

[Gough]

I dont see why not if there's commercial value in it. Racist, sexist, homophobic, etc comedy can be funny. Those who are offended by it aren't being forced to watch.

There's no commercial value in any of that type of humour, that's why I'm curious as to why punching down on the trans community is thought to have some.

 

[Val Keating]

Do you think if someone got up there and started joking about black people like Chappelle does trans people that they'd get a Netflix deal? I'd suggest they probably wouldn't.

Depends on who it is unfortunately, not every comic is equal. Earlier this year Andrew Schulz bought back his special from a streaming service (pretty sure it was Netflix) because they wanted to cut some material out.

The joke was on them though because he ended up making more money releasing it himself.

 

[Val Keating]

There's no commercial value in any of that type of humour, that's why I'm curious as to why punching down on the trans community is thought to have some.

It’s because comics have always spoken about things they’re not supposed to talk about. Goes all the way back to Lenny Bruce getting arrested at gigs.

 

[Gough]

It’s because comics have always spoken about things they’re not supposed to talk about. Goes all the way back to Lenny Bruce getting arrested at gigs.

That's not the same, Lenny Bruce was arrested for obscenity, Dave Chappelle uses a marginalised community as a punch line.

 

[Evolved1]

There's no commercial value in any of that type of humour, that's why I'm curious as to why punching down on the trans community is thought to have some.

There's plenty of commercial value in comedy that "punches down". Lots of people love to laugh at themselves.

Chappelle makes jokes about black people that could be seen as punching down, yet nobody cares including black people in the audience. White comedians make jokes using racial stereotypes that could be seen as punching down, and you see black people laughing in the crowd.

I dont see what all the fuss is about tbh. Nothing should be off limits in comedy.

 

[Val Keating]

That's not the same, Lenny Bruce was arrested for obscenity, Dave Chappelle uses a marginalised community as a punch line.

It sort of is. Top comics have always pushed the limits and have bits about what they’re not supposed to talk about. Right now that’s the trans community. You only need to look at how much attention it gets to see it.

 

[Gough]

It sort of is. Top comics have always pushed the limits and have bits about what they’re not supposed to talk about. Right now that’s the trans community. You only need to look at how much attention it gets to see it.

So trans people should just accept being the butt of mostly ignorant people's jokes?

 

[Val Keating]

So trans people should just accept being the butt of mostly ignorant people's jokes?

A lot already do.

 

[Gough]

A lot already do.

I've got a hilarious line about your wife taking it in all three holes at once, want to hear it?

 

[Val Keating]

I've got a hilarious line about your wife taking it in all three holes at once, want to hear it?

Sure, but that’s just 3 dudes pretending they aren’t gay.

 

[the_interloper]

Do you think if someone got up there and started joking about black people like Chappelle does trans people that they'd get a Netflix deal? I'd suggest they probably wouldn't.

Bill Burr jokes about black people a lot and is white of course. Clearly as I said it depends on what those jokes are, any subject can be "good" comedy.

 

[Engimal v3]

Chapelle has drank too much of his own bathwater. Brilliant comedian in his prime, but just comes across as bitter and old now.

I've watched Killing Them Softly dozens of times. None of his new stuff comes close.

 

[JyeDye]

I don't think comedians should do trans jokes because most of the time they are not funny but mostly because 99% of the audience has no idea about what the **** they are even talking about. It just comes across as someone ranting about the time they got in an argument with someone on Twitter.