Is Dan24's finals system right or wrong? VOTE NOW!

[Grendel]

The much talked about and multi talented Dan has been over and OVER the BIG FOOTY forum for most of the season with his (by now well known and admittedly well argued) views on the finals and there relevance to deciding who should be given acknowledgment as the best side for the year. The Premiers or the team that finishs the H&A.

I would like to propose a vote (thanks for the idea of the votes to Chev) and gather who is with Dan and has been persuded by his reasoned and lengthy arguments. Or who is against him and belives that no matter how well argued his calls are incorrect (nothing personal Dan, i really do want to know if anyone has been persuaded by what youve written).

So let the votes begin, my opening ballot is not allowed as im the arbitrator and should be (like Wayne Jackson) the non-voting chairman. However all others as this is a democracy are eligible to vote, that probably means nobody will bother hahaha

 

[Grendel]

Oops sorry forgot to mention, voting closes the end of the GF at around 5pm.

 

[Bloodstained Angel]

Yup - I'm convinced

- 30 Round H&A season
- Guy on top declared 'League Champion', awarded $750,000 and given a huge piece of silverware at a big-deal presentation ceremony (at the start of their first final would be a good opportunity)
- Finals are straight knockout over three weeks, 1v8 2v7 3v6 4v5
- 1v8 and 4v5 seeded in one half, 2v7 and 3v6 seeded in the other half, so that if qualifying finals go to form, we have preliminary finals of 1v4 and 2v3, meaning the GF would see 1v2 (again if the games go to form)

Dan24 has convinced me of two things : 1) More recognotion must be given to the guy finishing on top, and, 2) Double chances are contrived bullshit.

So I'm voting with Dan, the H&A man.

 

[Rooboy 96]

About time, great idea.

If the no vote wins - does Dan24, have to "shut the F*ck up" about his theory.

First nail in the coffin.

NO NO NO...

 

[sandie]

I've got to back up my fellow Bombers, so Dan24 gets my yes vote.

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Mantis

 

[Candyshoota]

Even a slightly flawed finals system is better than none. It's what the whole year is about for the players and the fans. I'd hate to see a winner determined several weeks prior to the end of the season as would have happened this year.
However I do still think that there should be rewards for the work put in during the year.
Put me down for a no.

 

[Rooboy 96]

Sandie, No party lines tell us how you really feel.

 

[Drakey]

NO!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[Roylion]

Top spot more recognition? Yes.
Separate finals competition? No.

 

[sandie]

Damn Rooboy do I have to? NO
Sorry Dan24

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Mantis

 

[Guest]

YES vote here!

BA your absolutely right Double Chances are contrived bulltish!!

In a perfect world I would have a 2 conference system but Dan's system is better than the one we have now.

 

[Stealth bomber]

Yes.

I prefer a knockout (1-8, 2-7, 3-6, 4-5) finals system with no double chances at all which in most cases would produce a 1 vs. 2 Grand Final. I know the AFL shuns this because it's not "equal" enough but to me that's rubbish; the finals should be about identifying the two best teams in the league and having them play for the flag and giving a much easier draw towards the teams that played best all season.

The current system which allows a team like the Kangaroos possibly win the flag after getting pasted in a finals match just seems so flawed.

 

[sandie]

Stealth Bomber, being serious this time, as I haven't beeb in a few other posts regarding this issue. I think that is the best system, but also they have to extend the season to 30 games, so evryone plays twice.
Yeah more footy.

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Mantis

 

[Richmondfan#1]

Apologies Dan24(almost 25) but NO THANX!

 

[Dan26]

Ah, yes here *hides*

If the Dons face elimination this week, then why can't they be eliminatd in the first week too ? Straight knockout with the winner declared "4 week final series champion" is the way to go. Double chances suck.

I think recognising BOTH teams (i.e the top team and the winner of the knockout cup) gives everyone what they want. This means we still get pressure filled knockout matches to conclude the year, but we don't have a team like Essendon in 2000 realising that their 21 wins count for nothing. That sucks bad.

Yes here.

 

[Dan26]

NO!!!!

 

[Razza]

Imagine if Hawthorn had been good enough to beat Norff (hard I know) then the prelims would have been 3rd vs 8th and 1st vs 2nd ,What a crock of shite that would have been. It will take time but it will happen. Why the hell would you aim for the top?????

 

[Shinboners]

Can I humbly suggest that at the end of the season, finals or no finals, we'll just let Dan24 decide who were the best team in the competition! After all, as he has constantly stated to the Luddites like myself, Grendel and Roylion, he knows best.

 

[WCE2000]

I vote No

By my count the score is now 8 no votes - 4 yes votes

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[CJ]

WCE2000,

Make that 5 votes to YES!!!

 

[Groucho]

Definitely no. Compromised draw means that in other years top team may have got there through a favourable draw.They may have played the bottom 4 teams twice and have achieved top spot by percentage over a team that played them once. If they finished top let them prove they're good against the top 8.

 

[Gonzo]

I would say yes IF the draw was fair and equitable (ie every team plays each other twice both home and away) HOWEVER that aint the way it is at the momemnt so I'm afraid I'll have to say NAY!!!!

Dan: "Crucifixon? - left at the top of the stairs - one cross per person"

 

[Joel]

NO!!!


Come on think about it, if Carlton hadn't been so shit as to be beaten by Melbourne after leading by so much then we wouldn't have the 1 vs 2 equation would we? It would be the other way around with Carlton playing North instead of Essendon and therfore it would be 1 Vs 3rd and 2nd Vs 4th if they had beaten their respective teams (Hawks and Brisbane)...if you know what I mean. There is ALOT of different combinations of the eventual makeup of this weeks finals just because of the fact that a team can lose, and because of that fact the finals will probably never be perfect. And without a finals football simply wouldn't be the same.

 

[Dan26]

Groucho,

Sometimes the team that wins the Grand Final does so with a favourable "finals draw".

BOTH the H&A and the final are uneven. But of the two, the H&A is a better indicator of who the best is (whether even or not) than the finals series is. But the Grand Final will still be there anyway, so I don't know what the big deal is.

Don't ignore that.

Joel, please remember that the finals would still be there.

 

[Joel]

ok Dan24 but the comments were also in relation to some comments from earlier posts about having no finals. I don't think that our game should be pushed much further in the tweaking stakes because we won't like the end result.