Is Hartigan in trouble?

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If you're a tin hat conspiracy freak sure.
So you agree with the MRP that Hawkins should have been rubbed out for those two instances but also think Hartigan should be fine? Which seems contradictory to me.

Or

You disagree with Hawkins suspensions in which case fair play to you, but you will then need to admit inconsistent with the MRP.

But then again I don’t know what your position on the examples I showed was because you never present one. You have done nothing to counter my position you just used an Ad Hominem to attack me personally.
 

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So you agree with the MRP that Hawkins should have been rubbed out for those two instances but also think Hartigan should be fine? Which seems contradictory to me.

Or

You disagree with Hawkins suspensions in which case fair play to you, but you will then need to admit inconsistent with the MRP.

But then again I don’t know what your position on the examples I showed was because you never present one. You have done nothing to counter my position you just used an Ad Hominem to attack me personally.
Hawkins was suspended after about the 15th or 16th jumper punch. The 3rd or 4th for the year.

It went from being ignored to being fined to being suspended because he simply didnt learn.

So this is Hartigan's 1st chance. He has maybe 14 to go before suspension?

That said I think the 50m was appropiate. Or maybe a fine as well for being dumb and giving away a 50m penalty.
 

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'If you hit the head, you'll be accountable': Gill on the bump*

* All heads are sacrosanct, some are less sacrosanct
Maybe we need to see Gill on the thump.
This could become the gold standard for fist to the head in marking contest. Measure everything, the position of the bodies, the times involved, what the players are looking at etc. Then use it as a defence in any case for any club.
Really I just want to know if I can tell the under 12 team to smack the kid in front in the head when he takes a mark..... So he earns it.
 

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I would grade it intentional not careless, the ball was marked well before and he decided to aim for the head wasn't going for the ball.
They tend to give the benefit of the doubt when the ball is in the vicinity so my guess is they go with careless. As I said, I'd be quite happy for it to be assessed as intentional I just don't think the tribunal will.
 

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They tend to give the benefit of the doubt when the ball is in the vicinity so my guess is they go with careless. As I said, I'd be quite happy for it to be assessed as intentional I just don't think the tribunal will.
He is looking at Hawkins head when he hits it......not the ball.
 

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He is looking at Hawkins head when he hits it......not the ball.
I guarantee you the argument will be he couldn't see the ball because he's behind the player and was swinging his arm in a misguided attempt to knock the ball. Not saying it's right - just saying on precedent that's the way the tribunal tends to work.
 

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I guarantee you the argument will be he couldn't see the ball because he's behind the player and was swinging his arm in a misguided attempt to knock the ball. Not saying it's right - just saying on precedent that's the way the tribunal tends to work.
That is fine. He just needs to be responsible for his actions. His choice to do it. I think everyone knows he was just taking a cheap shot and got it a bit wrong. But the message needs to be clear, only question is what will the message be?
 

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I've got no problem with him getting a week but you are deadset kidding yourself if you think that counts as medium impact. My guess is it will be graded as high contact, low impact and careless - a $1,000 fine with the early plea. Easy way to change it is change the calculator. Automatic 1 week if you collect the head.
It's cant be graded as intentional and careless.

If it's graded as intentional, low impact and high, he gets a week.
Should get a week for being stupid I reckon.
 

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$2k fine. Some heads more sacrosanct than others it would seem.

For as long as the AFL insists on penalising outcomes rather than intentions, we’re going to have this stupidity.

But most importantly - fu** you Channel 7 and your approving reference to Frawley. Bunch of absolute clowns.
 

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Big difference - Danger executed a body bump with an accidental head clash ensuing. Hartigan executed a round arm head hit
A bump has the potential to cause head injury.
A late spoil has the potential to cause head injury.

These days spoils are more approved than bumps - which the AFL are trying to phase out of the game.
 

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A late spoil has the potential to cause head injury.

These days spoils are more approved than bumps - which the AFL are trying to phase out of the game.
Those saying it was deliberate would argue that the action was not a spoil. It was a good old fashioned "made him earn it".

If indeed one does classify it as a spoil, then yeah it counts as careless.
 

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Those saying it was deliberate would argue that the action was not a spoil. It was a good old fashioned "made him earn it".

If indeed one does classify it as a spoil, then yeah it counts as careless.
Maybe he had watched Nankervis get the ball knocked out his hands seconds after taking a mark on Saturday and it being called play-on... so thought to spoil.
 

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Those saying it was deliberate would argue that the action was not a spoil. It was a good old fashioned "made him earn it".

If indeed one does classify it as a spoil, then yeah it counts as careless.
Was a frustrated swipe at the head and nowhere near the ball. TBH I don't see much difference between this and Rohan, except maybe the medical report.
 

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