Is it time for the Hawks to ditch gaming?

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Not sure players personal pass times are relevant? But the clubs do make them relevant when they sack some players for certain behaviour, but not others.

The desire to BE something is not the desire to fool people into thinking you are something in order to gain their trust and money.

Either stop marketing the entire "family club" thing or start acting authentically.
Every club markets to families. Every club endorses behavior and activities that run contrary to family values. Therefore, according to your 'logic', this denies the authenticity of any and all claims to holding family values as an organisation.

That is simply idiotic. Al Gore flies around the world in a private jet to campaign for action on climate change. By your 'logic' regardless of how many tons of CO2 his campaigning removes from the atmosphere he is not authentically committed to action on climate change because he isn't minimizing his emissions by using commercial airlines. You are giving absolute weight to Hawthorn's pokies activities and zero weight to any other family orientated activities. Such world view has no practical value. It is pointless to discuss morality in terms of absolute positions on account of it being subjective and relational in nature.
 

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Every club markets to families. Every club endorses behavior and activities that run contrary to family values. Therefore, according to your 'logic', this denies the authenticity of any and all claims to holding family values as an organisation.
What does it mean to hold values if you don't act on them?

That is simply idiotic. Al Gore flies around the world in a private jet to campaign for action on climate change. By your 'logic' regardless of how many tons of CO2 his campaigning removes from the atmosphere he is not authentically committed to action on climate change because he isn't minimizing his emissions by using commercial airlines.
You're making a leap that isn't valid. But there are arguments that he has been working both ends. The action he is committed to is action he stands to benefit from. Whole other argument.

You are giving absolute weight to Hawthorn's pokies activities and zero weight to any other family orientated activities. Such world view has no practical value. It is pointless to discuss morality in terms of absolute positions on account of it being subjective and relational in nature.
Wishy-washy head-talk.

We may destroy lives with addictive gambling devices but at least our players get their kids out on the field after the GF and have family days with the players?

What does it mean to hold values if you only act on them when such action benefits you?
 

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What does it mean to hold values if you don't act on them?


You're making a leap that isn't valid. But there are arguments that he has been working both ends. The action he is committed to is action he stands to benefit from. Whole other argument.


Wishy-washy head-talk.

We may destroy lives with addictive gambling devices but at least our players get their kids out on the field after the GF and have family days with the players?

What does it mean to hold values if you only act on them when such action benefits you?
Again you give no weight to anything good done by hawthorn and say if pokies then not family values. Morality isn't all in or all out.
 

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The damage done by pokies far outweighs the advantage of family days and football clinics. It would be interesting to know what other charitable causes Hawthorn (or any other club) supports to allow for a proper benefit analysis. That said, pokies are the extreme shits and I don't think there's any justification for supporting them. They are addictive and damaging and designed to cause harm, and are akin to a a club marketing drugs, imo.
 

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The damage done by pokies far outweighs the advantage of family days and football clinics. It would be interesting to know what other charitable causes Hawthorn (or any other club) supports to allow for a proper benefit analysis. That said, pokies are the extreme shits and I don't think there's any justification for supporting them. They are addictive and damaging and designed to cause harm, and are akin to a a club marketing drugs, imo.
So is alcohol and gambling in general
 

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The pokie do-gooders really annoy me. There is much more money lost on the racing industries (3 codes) If people choose to gamble that is their business.

If they chose to be irresponsible about their gambling that is also their business/responsibility......and don't tell me it is an illness. It is an excuse for lack of control and being weak.

I like the pokies and I love the horse racing. I don't ever bet on the horses, that side of it has never interested me, but I have seen first hand what being irresponsible can do. My grandfather lost our family money betting on the horses. It hasn't stopped the next generations loving the horses, but it did teach a big lesson about the gambling side of it.

I find the whole pokie argument hypocritical tbh.
 

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It's probably been said, but I still have seen on here the word "gambling" a lot......There is a very large difference between gambling and pokie machines. I have never gambled, just doesn't interest me, but even I can tell the difference. One you can use knowledge, skill, statistics, and it can add atmosphere to an event. The other is an ugly machine built to take your money and suck in the weak.

Yes, they both can lead to painful addictions, and I think they should at least lose the overly in your face ads because it is way over the top. But again should we ban liquor ads because of alcoholics? Why not take away cleaning product ads because they affect people with OCD. We just need common sense.
 

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Hawks gaming centres have armed guards forcing people in to play?
Yes but still, all these hawthorn connections are unsavoury. As far as your avatar goes, the booing of goodes will seem like a secondary thing compared to the booing I reckon hawthorn will cop for all the various reasons.
 

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Its profitable and legal
I know. Again, not the point. Selling minced up rubbish and calling it a hamburger is also profitable. Putting 6,7,8 plus teaspoons of sugar in a can of drink to sell to masses is also profitable. The point is that it is Hawthorns choice, and I think it is a poor one.
 

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Weird thread. Why target the Hawks when so many clubs make money off gambling? Belongs on Bay 13.

Ultimately if the AFL shared its profits properly among the clubs, it would be a good thing if all clubs ditched the pokies. But while the AFL tightly control those purse strings and while gambling remains entirely lawful, clubs will continue to run their businesses accordingly.
 

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The pokie do-gooders really annoy me. There is much more money lost on the racing industries (3 codes) If people choose to gamble that is their business.

If they chose to be irresponsible about their gambling that is also their business/responsibility......and don't tell me it is an illness. It is an excuse for lack of control and being weak.

I like the pokies and I love the horse racing. I don't ever bet on the horses, that side of it has never interested me, but I have seen first hand what being irresponsible can do. My grandfather lost our family money betting on the horses. It hasn't stopped the next generations loving the horses, but it did teach a big lesson about the gambling side of it.

I find the whole pokie argument hypocritical tbh.
What you mean people have to take responsibility & control for their own a their own actions?:eek:
What planet do you live on:rolleyes:;)
 
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