Is it time for the Hawks to ditch gaming?

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the hawks aren't the family club. it's lip service to convince stupid people that they're making at difference
calling for the AFL to move out of pokies won't change anything either. it's lip service to convince stupid people that they're making at difference.

you see the hypocrisy?
Hawthorn being called the family club has nothing to do with "making a difference", it's to do with the culture of the club and the family values.
 

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my argument is let's stop with all the bullshit.

the hawks aren't a family club any more than carlton, GWS, west caost or port adelaide. but equally so the hawks are not responsible or even contributing to the level of gambling in society. all they're doing is positioning themselves to profit off something that is occurring regardless. it's a smart strategy and there's nothing wrong with that. i don't understand why everyone has to take such an extreme view one way or the other (either the hawks are the ultimate family club vs hawks are responsible for decay of societal values) because neither are true.
The word Family club need not even come into the argument. The fact is on the news the other day there was a discussion about 6 AFL clubs that were considering not using gambling as a revenue raiser, now I don't know how they want to do , but for me its a good thing.

I see gambling on human activity in sport a great risk for corruption to take place. One of the clubs was Hawthorn that was mentioned in the group of 6.

What is all this nonsense about family values and clubs, when we're talking about a terrible disease for some people , as bad as any addiction you can suffer from.

Gambling on horses is bad enough but there are controls , when humans and human activity takes place in all senses of those words , bad things happen human weakness is a gigantic weakness.
I have mentioned before where people are able to gamble in millions of dollars and we have a grey set of AFL rules that can lead to cheating and no one can tell, well for me that will creep into football, not just having pokies, that stuff individuals up, but making bets on teams and promoting this greed sport called gambling . Doesn't help anyone . But it can draw in scum bag cheaters.

Look at racing see who the winners are, they are called Bookies!!!!!

Its worse when betting on the worst animal on the planet . Us!
 

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Nope. No matter how much you stamp your feet, and whine on here, the HFC will continue to be known as the family club.

It's best you come to terms with it.
I've never questioned that the club calls itself the family club. I call myself the undisputed sex machine. Both carry the same weight with the wider population.
 

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The 'family club', like all marketing slogans, is meaningless bullshit and anyone who actually buys into that rubbish should either be embarrassed or under 10 years old.
The only time I ever hear anyone mention the words "family club" is when somebody uses it facetiously to give Hawthorn shit after one of our players throws a punch during a game or gets into off-field mischief.

It has always amazed me how a marketing slogan that dates back to the 80's has caused so many rival fans to be bent out of shape. It really seems to have struck a nerve with our rivals. I reckon they've bought it into it more than any Hawk fan.

It's pretty funny, really. Especially the way people always use it as a sledge as though they just thought of it themselves. (A bit like those unique trail-blazing individuals who facetiously say "Yeah Hodgey, good bloke".) Nothing further, mind you. Never any variation on the theme. Just the words "family club"… (ooooh burn:eek:)

I imagine them sneering and grinning as they post it, thinking they've just stuck a dagger into the heart of all Hawthorn fans.

"Heh, heh, heh… Family club, my arse… That will show them…."

:$:thumbsu:
 
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The word Family club need not even come into the argument. The fact is on the news the other day there was a discussion about 6 AFL clubs that were considering not using gambling as a revenue raiser, now I don't know how they want to do , but for me its a good thing.

I see gambling on human activity in sport a great risk for corruption to take place. One of the clubs was Hawthorn that was mentioned in the group of 6.

What is all this nonsense about family values and clubs, when we're talking about a terrible disease for some people , as bad as any addiction you can suffer from.

Gambling on horses is bad enough but there are controls , when humans and human activity takes place in all senses of those words , bad things happen human weakness is a gigantic weakness.
I have mentioned before where people are able to gamble in millions of dollars and we have a grey set of AFL rules that can lead to cheating and no one can tell, well for me that will creep into football, not just having pokies, that stuff individuals up, but making bets on teams and promoting this greed sport called gambling . Doesn't help anyone . But it can draw in scum bag cheaters.

Look at racing see who the winners are, they are called Bookies!!!!!

Its worse when betting on the worst animal on the planet . Us!
when you actually think about the logistics of rigging an AFL match for gambling purposes it's very difficult to do. in AFL you have 22 players (none of whom are influential enough to decide the outcome of a match on their own). when you consider how much they get paid, the amount of money you would need to offer them all to make it worth their while and therefore the size of the bet needed to justify such an elaborate scheme it's pretty hard to pull that off without someone noticing.
 

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Equalisation, hah? no such thing, but its got nothing to do with your WA clubs having to go to Tassie.

You win.. where.. you have to.

Simple . We won the prelim at Subi, we won the grand final at the MCG.We had travelled in the last four weeks to Perth three times. No whinging. We won two of those, the first Eagle H and A, THEN WE LOST A FINAL, THEN WE WON A FINAL , AND ANOTHER A WEEK LATEr WE WON AGAINAs you know!

Tasmania was a great thing for Hawthorn financially, as well as for Tassie football fans. Kennett was no political friend of mine but a ripper president!

So stop whinging about going there, you and Fremantle play at the biggest home ground advantage oval in the league, perhaps more so than Port and Crows at Adelaide Oval. And you damn well play half your year on that home ground, every season. What,s that, about 11 games?

It all balances out . But you Sandys' never stop complaining!
How many games do Hawthorn, Collingwood etc play at the MCG.

How many do Freo and the Eagles play.

Why should the WA side have to travel from Perth to Melbourne and then to Tassie just to help Hawthorn fill it's bank account? The WA clubs also get sent to Darwin. Hawks every player there in season? Ever?

No they haven't.

So the Hawks are a financial power house again. No need to drag the WA sides to the arse end of Australia and away from the MCG.

Or maybe the Hawks don't want to give up access to their home ground and make winning finals that little bit easier against interstate sides?
 

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Or maybe the Hawks don't want to give up access to their home ground and make winning finals that little bit easier against interstate sides?
You got us, Hawks play games against WCE and Freo in Tassie because we don't want you getting experience playing at the 'G.

Really, that is how the fixturing is decided.
 

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I've never questioned that the club calls itself the family club. I call myself the undisputed sex machine. Both carry the same weight with the wider population.
Unfortunately for you, the family club slogan carries far more weight than you'd have hoped. It's why you're here whining about it, because it's been a longstanding comment made about the HFC, and for some reason it gets under your skin.
 
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How many games do Hawthorn, Collingwood etc play at the MCG.

How many do Freo and the Eagles play.

Why should the WA side have to travel from Perth to Melbourne and then to Tassie just to help Hawthorn fill it's bank account? The WA clubs also get sent to Darwin. Hawks every player there in season? Ever?

No they haven't.

So the Hawks are a financial power house again. No need to drag the WA sides to the arse end of Australia and away from the MCG.

Or maybe the Hawks don't want to give up access to their home ground and make winning finals that little bit easier against interstate sides?
The Eagles shat the bed in the GF, in so many words you squibbed it. The GF could have been played on the moon and the Hawks would have won with ease
 

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when you actually think about the logistics of rigging an AFL match for gambling purposes it's very difficult to do. in AFL you have 22 players (none of whom are influential enough to decide the outcome of a match on their own). when you consider how much they get paid, the amount of money you would need to offer them all to make it worth their while and therefore the size of the bet needed to justify such an elaborate scheme it's pretty hard to pull that off without someone noticing.
Exotic bets like first goal scorer and most possessions are a little easier to rig and you might only need one player involved.
 

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Exotic bets like first goal scorer and most possessions are a little easier to rig and you might only need one player involved.
players could certainly improve the odds by spending a bit more time forward, getting cheap possessions behind the ball etc. but that's still very far from a guarentee. certainly not safe enough for international syndicates to place millions of dollars on
 

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How many games do Hawthorn, Collingwood etc play at the MCG.

How many do Freo and the Eagles play.

Why should the WA side have to travel from Perth to Melbourne and then to Tassie just to help Hawthorn fill it's bank account? The WA clubs also get sent to Darwin. Hawks every player there in season? Ever?

No they haven't.

So the Hawks are a financial power house again. No need to drag the WA sides to the arse end of Australia and away from the MCG.

Or maybe the Hawks don't want to give up access to their home ground and make winning finals that little bit easier against interstate sides?
What an absolute load of nonsense. Get over your flogging and wait til next year. And get to understand you play home games at HOME , every second week, and your teams both had finals in WA, and your the greatest free kick gatherers in the history of the game. Forget excuses get on with it you may actually get there next year.

(Hawthorn does not have a monopoly on home ground advantage at the MCG , it also travels to Tasmania, not as far but the team travels on a plane anyway too.) I may be wrong but WCE didn't even go to Tasmania this year!

Remember besides Hawthorn , lots of clubs play lots of games on the MCG , there is always games on the MCG. You WCE and Freo, get genuine serious home ground advantage over here, with a noisy biased crowd , I think the balance is fine , how often do you lose in WA, both clubs, when your up and about you don't lose much at all.

Say no more until you think about it a bit!

Fair dinkum in all my life, following football, I have never heard a more self pitying , self ingratiating , born to win the flag every week, bunch of whinging supporters like you sandgropers.

You get it handed to you on a plate, and you still can't win!

By the way you West coast Sandies aren't too poor either , so get of your soapy for crying out loud!
 

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when you actually think about the logistics of rigging an AFL match for gambling purposes it's very difficult to do. in AFL you have 22 players (none of whom are influential enough to decide the outcome of a match on their own). when you consider how much they get paid, the amount of money you would need to offer them all to make it worth their while and therefore the size of the bet needed to justify such an elaborate scheme it's pretty hard to pull that off without someone noticing.
You could easily rig a set up in AFL , because of the rules , they are very grey and they are interpretational form each individual, it is proven every week when an umpire picks out something and many many people including players and commentators and even other officials are not certain.
That is how it would happen , the rules committee and the umpires , you only need one man /woman to be corrupted to make things go astray for one side in our game.
With 36 blokes on the ground at one time , a great many decisions are called , and they could go either way, its interpretation and ,it would be easy , easy mate.
Now I'm not saying that the Eagles v North Melbourne final was rigged, in fact I don't believe it was. I don't think either at the moment umpires are crooked.
But that game was won and lost off umpire decisions , I don't care what you may think on that, I am positive that several frees turned the game and the North Melbourne players attitude to downward. So they began TO HANG THEIR HEADS. Tiggy touchwood frees, ????????? you could call anything you wanted!

Now in a situation like that any single individual could ( emphasise could) take advantage, and call something weird , but it doesn't matter the Umpires call weird decisions EVERY WEEK!!!! And it is because the rules give them interpreting powers , which can differ from individual to individual that the rules not being black and white and set , can let any one deliberately misinterpret a decision.

Drawing a long bow? yes , talking impossibility? NO WAY . This is the sort of stuff that gets into high level sports when gambling becomes a huge part of it.

Gambling, always lets in elements of dishonesty, and greed .

Do we need a strict control on this , YES! It is proven we do, every week .

Because some hundreds maybe thousands always complain about the decisions, all the time, called one way one end of the ground, and another way at the other end.

I have bet on horses in my life that's bad enough , I have never put money on a Australain Rules Football match, ever.

And I hope it is ripped out of the system , because we have the best sport on earth , we don't want it wrecked. Although we seem to be doing a job on it at the moment . Long shot , is still a shot , it could happen easily.
 

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You could easily rig a set up in AFL , because of the rules , they are very grey and they are interpretational form each individual, it is proven every week when an umpire picks out something and many many people including players and commentators and even other officials are not certain.
That is how it would happen , the rules committee and the umpires , you only need one man /woman to be corrupted to make things go astray for one side in our game.
With 36 blokes on the ground at one time , a great many decisions are called , and they could go either way, its interpretation and ,it would be easy , easy mate.
Now I'm not saying that the Eagles v North Melbourne final was rigged, in fact I don't believe it was. I don't think either at the moment umpires are crooked.
But that game was won and lost off umpire decisions , I don't care what you may think on that, I am positive that several frees turned the game and the North Melbourne players attitude to downward. So they began TO HANG THEIR HEADS. Tiggy touchwood frees, ????????? you could call anything you wanted!

Now in a situation like that any single individual could ( emphasise could) take advantage, and call something weird , but it doesn't matter the Umpires call weird decisions EVERY WEEK!!!! And it is because the rules give them interpreting powers , which can differ from individual to individual that the rules not being black and white and set , can let any one deliberately misinterpret a decision.

Drawing a long bow? yes , talking impossibility? NO WAY . This is the sort of stuff that gets into high level sports when gambling becomes a huge part of it.

Gambling, always lets in elements of dishonesty, and greed .

Do we need a strict control on this , YES! It is proven we do, every week .

Because some hundreds maybe thousands always complain about the decisions, all the time, called one way one end of the ground, and another way at the other end.

I have bet on horses in my life that's bad enough , I have never put money on a Australain Rules Football match, ever.

And I hope it is ripped out of the system , because we have the best sport on earth , we don't want it wrecked. Although we seem to be doing a job on it at the moment . Long shot , is still a shot , it could happen easily.
umpires can only influence the game IF it's close and contested and the situation presents itself. i'd like to see the umpire get paid to rig the GF and actually pull of a win for west coast somehow.
 
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