Is Kozzi Pickett a top 10 player

[Trav 20]

Toby Greene has been averaging 18-20 disposals & 2 goals for years. Still the best small forward/mid in the competition.

Firstly, I never referenced Greene.

Secondly, Greene has never averaged 20 and 2. Pickett might not either, but it will put it in perspective if he does.

Thanks for the reference. It speaks volumes for Pickett if he gets there.

 

[My Tilly]

Firstly, I never referenced Greene.

Secondly, Greene has never averaged 20 and 2. Pickett might not either, but it will put it in perspective if he does.

Thanks for the reference. It speaks volumes for Pickett if he gets there.

I merely brought up Toby as he is the pinnacle.
And only a couple of season ago he averaged 18 disposals and 2.7 goals per game.

And yes, you are correct, Pickett will not average 20 possies per game for the season. Currently under that as we speak. And with matches against three likely finalists to finish off the season, you can be sure he will come up short in at least a couple of them.

 

[yulong]

Toby Greene has been averaging 18-20 disposals & 2 goals for years. Still the best small forward/mid in the competition.

Has Toby ever achieved that?

 

[Mr Meow]

Has Toby ever achieved that?

No, but he has had 3 seasons going at 17+ disposals and 2.3+ goals. Pickett might be in line for his first this year.

 

[PhatBoy]

Toby Greene has been averaging 18-20 disposals & 2 goals for years. Still the best small forward/mid in the competition.

‘Years’ = once, at 18 disposals.

 

[Trav 20]

I merely brought up Toby as he is the pinnacle.
And only a couple of season ago he averaged 18 disposals and 2.7 goals per game.

And yes, you are correct, Pickett will not average 20 possies per game for the season. Currently under that as we speak. And with matches against three likely finalists to finish off the season, you can be sure he will come up short in at least a couple of them.

Greene is hardly the ''pinnacle''.

Yes, Pickett is under 20 disposals average by the grand total of 2 possessions (298 instead of 300), i.e. 5 seconds work.

But I'm glad you've concluded it won't happen. All the more fun if it does.

And, of course, if it does, you'll be parading Pickett as the ''pinnacle''. Because, in your eyes, he will be.

 

[PhatBoy]

I merely brought up Toby as he is the pinnacle.
And only a couple of season ago he averaged 18 disposals and 2.7 goals per game.

And yes, you are correct, Pickett will not average 20 possies per game for the season. Currently under that as we speak. And with matches against three likely finalists to finish off the season, you can be sure he will come up short in at least a couple of them.

With matches against 3 likely finalists out of the 5 remaining?

Of his 15 games this season, his 10 games of 15/2 or better (yes he needs to average 20 plus pick up 2 extra touches along the way to do what you’re talking about)?

6 of the 10 have been against ‘likely finalists’ (ie. all 6 are currently in the top 8) and in those 6 matches he has averaged 20.66 touches, and 2.83 goals per game.

He is statistically LIKELY to do it, against those teams.

 

[My Tilly]

‘Years’ = once, at 18 disposals.

2016 - 20 disposals/2 goals
2017 - 18 disposals/2.3 goals
2021 - 17 disposals/2.5 goals
2021 - 18 disposals/2.7 goals

Pretty decent and quite consistent.
But by all means, go another two page rant

 

[PhatBoy]

2016 - 20 disposals/2 goals
2017 - 18 disposals/2.3 goals
2021 - 17 disposals/2.5 goals
2021 - 18 disposals/2.7 goals

Pretty decent and quite consistent.
But by all means, go another two page rant

2016 - 21 disposals/1.9 goals

Yes it is consistent and Toby is and has long been an excellent player but you still made a claim that was incorrect.

 

[Trav 20]

2016 - 20 disposals/2 goals
2017 - 18 disposals/2.3 goals
2021 - 17 disposals/2.5 goals
2021 - 18 disposals/2.7 goals

Pretty decent and quite consistent.
But by all means, go another two page rant

Since when does 1.9 become 2 ?

It's almost like Pickett averages 20 when you correctly point out he doesn't.

Interesting that you afford Greene fractions you deny Pickett. Wonder why ? What's the motive...

Oh yes, to win an argument.

 

[PhatBoy]

If Greene has ‘been doing this for years’ and now he’s not - which he isn’t - and those numbers were what MADE him the best small forward in the competition, wouldn’t someone else posting those sort of numbers, like, I don’t know, someone averaging a fraction under 20 touches a game, 2.3 goals and 0.73 goal assists per game then make THEM the best small forward in the game?

If Greene hasn’t done that for two seasons and this year in particular his output is down, doesn’t that then mean he’s handed over the mantle?

 

[Cleric]

It's too hard to agree on what the top 10 is. Tim Gossage said today that Harley Reid is in the top 10 AFL players.

Kosie is certainly in the elite group.

 

[My Tilly]

If Greene hasn’t done that for two seasons and this year in particular his output is down, doesn’t that then mean he’s handed over the mantle?

Pickett is having an excellent season but settle down.
Let's see if he does it for a couple years at least before we declare him the greatest small forward in the game.
I mean Melbourne have won just 6 games for the year.

I recall Melbourne supporters getting into a frenzy about Fritsch being the next big thing and he's faded away like a number of other Melbourne players who had one or two very good seasons.
There are lot of players I would certainly pick ahead of him if it came to choosing your top 10 players list.

 

[PhatBoy]

Pickett is having an excellent season but settle down.
Let's see if he does it for a couple years at least before we declare him the greatest small forward in the game right now.
I mean Melbourne have won just 6 games for the year.

I recall Melbourne supporters getting into a frenzy about Fritsch being the next big thing and he's faded away like a number of Melbourne players who had one or two very good years.

Well right now he IS the best small forward in the game. Greatest and best are two different things but at the moment he is the best. The only rival for that title is Jamie Elliott but his sole job is basically impacting the scoreboard and that impact is more or less the same as Pickett’s who gets a lot more ball, does a good job defensively and does it in a terrible team.

 

[fnerd]

Basically averaging 20d and 2 goals a game this season, only player to do that since 2016 which is astounding.
Is he a top 10 player in the game now, id say he's now the most impactful maybe outside of Heeney.

Hopefully for Melbournes sake he is , cause he’s certainly paid like a league top 10 player

 

[ray_purchase]

I merely brought up Toby as he is the pinnacle.
And only a couple of season ago he averaged 18 disposals and 2.7 goals per game.

And yes, you are correct, Pickett will not average 20 possies per game for the season. Currently under that as we speak. And with matches against three likely finalists to finish off the season, you can be sure he will come up short in at least a couple of them.

Hes on 19.9 lol. Can easily average 20 come seasons end.

 

[yulong]

If we're are rounding up Greene's possession count to 18 and his goals to 2 then kozzie already has 20/2.

 

[Mr Meow]

If we're are rounding up Greene's possession count to 18 and his goals to 2 then kozzie already has 20/2.

We're not, unless you think one poster is the ambassador for BigFooty.

20 and 2 are nice round numbers that are exceedingly rare to average over a season. However I'm not sure it's actually more impressive than the best couple of Greene seasons (2.5+ and 17+). It probably just means Greene had a higher forward line to midfield ratio.

I do think this year Kozzie has been at that peak Greene level though, which is a massive endorsement in itself.

 

[Cyclops]

Numbers look good, I haven't seen enough to judge for myself but vs us i felt we limited him quite well, he never quite caught fire and he still was very effective.

Doing a reverse Clarry, used to be more fireworks and less actual destruction.

Now he has definitely matured, wastes less time being silly and gets things done.

I'm too ignorant to be taken seriously but fwiw I feel like he's not quite top 10 in the league. AA you'd think.

 

[Milanista28]

Geez he's fun to watch.

 

[Shooter#17]

Hopefully for Melbournes sake he is , cause he’s certainly paid like a league top 10 player

Like a Tom Lynch or Ben McKay?

 

[Daka]

This season, I don't think anyone can argue it against it.

 

[Fadge]

The real top 10 player on the opposite team took over in this one. Hell' Gawn's still Melbourne's best by a fair margin.

Can't argue with that.

What a player!

 

[PhatBoy]

The real top 10 player on the opposite team took over in this one. Hell' Gawn's still Melbourne's best by a fair margin.

I don’t disagree with NWM as he’s an obvious star but your logic would be just the same as everyone else’s with Pickett/or your logic with Pickett NOT being that high: ie. before this year NWM was a player with obvious talent and potential but nowhere near his current level.

So like Pickett all anyone is going off so far is three quarters of a season at his current level - a level which is admittedly exceptional but what makes that claim any different to Pickett’s, which as you pointed out has only been at its current level for this season?

 

[carndapies]

Can we also turn this thread into - Kozzy Pickett - Can he be the GOAT