Is modern football a rubbish spectacle in comparison to the past?

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Only for old farts stuck in their ways. You can always pick on the issues brought in by the rule changes, as opposed to the better flow and excitement it's created in todays games. I think it's been a give and take.

The quality of players is a different issue, something that can't be controlled. I think most would agree the current crop of superstars aren't quite as good as the superstars of the mid to late 90's, with the likes of Ablett, Carey, Hird, Lockett, Buckley, Matera etc.
 

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Are you old enough to remember any difference?

Have the rules and tactics altered the game's fundamentals drastically?
Not too drastically. I wouldn't say it's better or worse, it's just different.

You don't get as many one on one contests, but the precision about how the ball is delivered now is pretty damn good. I do get annoyed when players won't kick to contests when they are well on top, but players always follow coaching instructions.

The softening up of the game is a whole other matter.
 

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As I posted in the other poll that's basically the same thing:

"It's like asking if video games are better or worse now than ever.

They've changed over time, with the demands of the consumer and the available funds and technologies.

People in the 70s thought Space Invaders was groovy, and people in the 80s thought Super Mario Bros was rad, and people in the 90s thought Street Fighter II was the bomb, and people last decade thought GTA III was epic... To a certain extent, you can get nostalgic about games from the past, but you couldn't get someone paying $100 for Space Invaders these days.

Footy's much the same - You might be nostalgic about the way that football used to be, and you might even think that relative to the time, it was more entertaining, but old-style football wouldn't wow modern audiences enough to get them to pay the modern prices, and old teams certainly wouldn't stand up against modern teams.

Footy is entertaining to us as a culture in much the same way that it's always been, but it seems to be reaching a wider audience than in the past, which might suggest that relative to our time, it's better than ever."
 

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No one has hit the nail on the head.

If you watch games from before 2000, they are kick to kick. Every time 7 plays their classic matches, the games are harder, sure, but players simply bomb it to each other.

Being nostalgic is like taking cocaine and putting marbles in your mouth: it makes you say silly things.
 

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Judd, Ablett - disloyalty

Buddy, Roo- cant kick for goal, metros.

The new game is soft, the bump is leaving. Coaches like Roos, Eade and Malthouse have wrecked the spirit. The game will be better when these guys move on.

Running off after a goal erodes at the fabric of contest, rotating, hard tags, boundary line play, creating contests, tackling a higher priority than skills all make the modern game poorer.

Too much emphasis on what the coach is doing, rather than the players.

Commentators like Walls stifling creativity.

Too much bias in commentary and fellating of Collingwood for ratings.

Intensity becoming the key to sucess, rather than talent or toughness.

Too much NFL research, instead of flow.

Too much soft ruck work with soft taps intended for squibby midfielders.

Not enough torps, not enough players with dumb courage or individuals.
 

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Judd, Ablett - disloyalty

Buddy, Roo- cant kick for goal, metros.

The new game is soft, the bump is leaving. Coaches like Roos, Eade and Malthouse have wrecked the spirit. The game will be better when these guys move on.

Running off after a goal erodes at the fabric of contest, rotating, hard tags, boundary line play, creating contests, tackling a higher priority than skills all make the modern game poorer.

Too much emphasis on what the coach is doing, rather than the players.

Commentators like Walls stifling creativity.

Too much bias in commentary and fellating of Collingwood for ratings.

Intensity becoming the key to sucess, rather than talent or toughness.

Too much NFL research, instead of flow.

Too much soft ruck work with soft taps intended for squibby midfielders.

Not enough torps, not enough players with dumb courage or individuals.
Bloody good post.:thumbsu:
 

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I don't rate the 'soft' argument.
In some sort of hypothetical world, any side from today would be much better adapted to playing yesterday's more brutal, slower game than any older side would be adapted to playing today's games.

5 big hits a game compared to a hundred tackles and about twice as much running. You could find a bloke off the street to punch someone & be punched but very, very few can cope physically and mentally with the workrate & incessant drain on your body.

No standing around with hands on hips, you're expected to either be runnign to make an option or getting back in defence all the time

Far more intensity, the sides of old would be falling off their tackles, not coping with the chasing & dropping their heads after a half.

Skill level hasn't changed much but I think there's a fair reason they started to look hard at athletic performance as well. As much fun as it is to play the "back in my day" card.

I rate blokes like Rob Harvey who never laid a dirty hit in 18 years much, much tougher than some unfit brawler like Zantuck; and I think the whole game's followed that sort of pattern.
 

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Only blight on the game is horrid over umpiring during the home and away season, apart from that it's still just as great a game as ever.
 

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Judd, Ablett - disloyalty

Buddy, Roo- cant kick for goal, metros.

The new game is soft, the bump is leaving. Coaches like Roos, Eade and Malthouse have wrecked the spirit. The game will be better when these guys move on.

Running off after a goal erodes at the fabric of contest, rotating, hard tags, boundary line play, creating contests, tackling a higher priority than skills all make the modern game poorer.

Too much emphasis on what the coach is doing, rather than the players.

Commentators like Walls stifling creativity.

Too much bias in commentary and fellating of Collingwood for ratings.

Intensity becoming the key to sucess, rather than talent or toughness.

Too much NFL research, instead of flow.

Too much soft ruck work with soft taps intended for squibby midfielders.

Not enough torps, not enough players with dumb courage or individuals.
Disloyalty? Wayne Carey says hi!

Aside from that, there have been players who have left for coin throughout the history of the game, so you can scrap that.

Players like Buddy and Roo (who are bad examples as they have decent strike rates) run so much further then players of the past. They are inaccurate at times because they've just run from one end of the ground to the other. They cover more ground in one game then Plugger/Dunstal/etc would cover in a season. ;)

CBF with the rest, some are valid points, others are just rubbish.
 

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Disloyalty? Wayne Carey says hi!

Aside from that, there have been players who have left for coin throughout the history of the game, so you can scrap that.

Players like Buddy and Roo (who are bad examples as they have decent strike rates) run so much further then players of the past. They are inaccurate at times because they've just run from one end of the ground to the other. They cover more ground in one game then Plugger/Dunstal/etc would cover in a season. ;)

CBF with the rest, some are valid points, others are just rubbish.
Speechless after that. That's some a-grade deadshit right there little fella.

Stay off the goon.
 
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Um yeah.
 
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I'm not going to vote on the poll.

All i'm going to say is that todays footy is more 'entertaining' than the old days.

But as far as i'm concerned, footy used to be about much much more than just entertainment.
 

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Don't know how to answer the poll really. Not old enough to remember anything older than the early 90's.

But i guess over that time some things have changed for the better, some for the worst. I couldn't answer a yes or a no tbh.
 
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