Is Mr Rucci on the right track ??

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Not very often i agree with anything written by Mr Rucci but this is one article in this mornings Advertiser where i am in full agreement with him.

Young stars gone missing

By MICHELANGELO RUCCI
QUIZ question: Who is the last
Adelaide player to earn a Ris-
ing Star nomination for the
AFL rookie of the year? And
when? No, it was not Graham
Johncock who did deserve such an
honour in his debut season in 2002
Think back to the last century for the
answer. Round 12,2000. lan Perrie - then
21 and with less than 25 AFL games to
his name.
Almost four years have passed since
a young Crow has drawn the attention
of a select panel of accomplished former
league footballers. And if is not a case
of being out of sight of the Melbourne-
based judges that is hurting the young
Crows' chances.
Not so when Port Adelaide has had
Chad Comes, Josh Can", Brent Guerra
(now at St Kilda) and Shaun Burgoyne
earn Rising Star nominations in the
same time. ^
Not so when the four other non-
Victorian clubs have had Rising Star
W^IB^ll - sfacit&isbane, seven at
West Australian dubs West Coast and
Fremantle, and four at Sydney.
And at a time when Adelaide says it
is in evolution and does not have an
ageing squad - even though Wayne
Carey, Nigel Smart, Ronnie Bums and
Matthew CTarke are destined to retire
at the end of the year and many of its
stars are reaching 30 - the lack of young
talent capturing the attention of the
nation is a major worry.
The questions linger. Is recruiting
manager James Fantasia identifying the
nght talent - or being allowed to, re-
membering he spoke against using Ad-
elaide's highest-ever draft pick - No. 7
in 2000- for Lawrence Angwin? His
recruiting resources have been
strengthened this year by Adelaide sign-
ing up former Hawthorn recruiting man-
ager John Tumbull.
If Fantasia is finding the right players,
are they being properly developed at
West Lakes?
When Adelaide signed Carey last year
by giving up its first-round draft picks
- gained for trading Kane Johnsori to
Richmond - the Crows argued it had
first-round draft picks in the rookies it
elevated: Nathan Bock, Martin Mattner
and Ben Rutten.
None of these three has developed as
quickly as Adelaide wanted. Bock was
held up by injury this season, Mattner
is a disappointment and Rutten has
stalled after an exciting three-goal start
against Fremantle last year.
Adelaide's best hope of ending its
four-year drought of Rising Star nomi-
nations is sharp-leading forward Luke
Jericho. But the issue of Adelaide's
squad being stagnant and lacking prom-
ise for the future is emphasised by its
lack of Rising Star nominations.
This brings to question Adelaide's
recruiting, trades and, ultimately, the
development of young players at ——
West Lakes,


RISING STAR nominations since
Adelaide's last honour with Ion Perrie:
Adelaide (0), Brisbane (6), Carlton (5),
Collingwood (6), Essendon (5),
Fremantle (7), Geelong (7), Hawthorn
(7), Kangaroos (4), Melbourne (5), Port
Adelaide (3), Richmond (4), Sydney
(4), St Kilda (9), West Coast (7) and
Western Bulldogs (6).
 

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I read that article by Rucci, and had to admit that it made a lot of sense. We obviously need a development officer to work with our young draftees.

If we do have one then I can only say that we have the wrong one.

In all fairness, Rucci's articles about the Crows have been pretty spot on since we gave him a huge bake on here.
 

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For completeness, all Crows nominees since the award began. Obviously you can win premierships without a lot.

1993
Mark Ricciuto

1994
Matthew Kluzek
Sean Wellman

1995
Marty McKinnon
Andrew McLeod

1997
Kane Johnson
Peter Vardy

1998
Andrew Eccles

1999
David Gallagher
Brett Burton

2000
Ian Perrie
 

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How many nominations go to players following rounds where they've played in losing sides?

With two wins and seven losses, we haven't exactly given our young players a chance to be pushing for rising star nominations.
 

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Originally posted by Porthos
For completeness, all Crows nominees since the award began. Obviously you can win premierships without a lot.

1993
Mark Ricciuto

1994
Matthew Kluzek
Sean Wellman

1995
Marty McKinnon
Andrew McLeod

1997
Kane Johnson
Peter Vardy

1998
Andrew Eccles

1999
David Gallagher
Brett Burton

2000
Ian Perrie
That says a lot regards our drafting of juniors since the late 90s
 

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Originally posted by Porthos
For completeness, all Crows nominees since the award began. Obviously you can win premierships without a lot.

1993
Mark Ricciuto

1994
Matthew Kluzek
Sean Wellman

1995
Marty McKinnon
Andrew McLeod

1997
Kane Johnson
Peter Vardy

1998
Andrew Eccles

1999
David Gallagher
Brett Burton

2000
Ian Perrie
Thanks for the list, Porthos.

No Tyson Edwards, no Simon Goodwin, no Stiffy - but David Gallagher was a rising star nomination!

Goes to show how hard it is to pick a great career from early games.
 

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whats the thought on jake schuback? im not a crows fan, just wondering how he is progressing in the SANFL
he played a few uneventful games earlier this season, im hoping he gets another crack in coming weeks
do you Crow supporters think he has what it takes to come up? and can he sustain his spot in the side?

cheers
 

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Originally posted by macca23
I read that article by Rucci, and had to admit that it made a lot of sense. We obviously need a development officer to work with our young draftees.

If we do have one then I can only say that we have the wrong one.

In all fairness, Rucci's articles about the Crows have been pretty spot on since we gave him a huge bake on here.
macca, Mr Rucci is a die-hard Port Adelaide ambassador/supporter & has been for years & that is a known fact but i can live with that,

I still have no time for Rucci or most of what he writes, very rarely doe's he write any bad press concerning Port Adelaide well that is until the paps stumble in the finals & then he is quick to bring out the sharp side of his pen.

What infuriates me more than anything else even more than the loose way he manipulates quotes & so-called second hand whispers is his use of sarcasm over the years against the AFC in a lot of the articles that he writes on the Crows.

I don't like him & have no time for most of what he writes/says but with a one newspaper state like we have in SA i guess i have to put up with him.
 

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Speaking of the ninja turtle ferrethead, he recent article previewing Collingwood v Adelaide, he stated that the Crows had 313 inside 50 entries and Collingwood 290 after eight rounds. I referenced this to my own set of stats and they were wrong! 313 and 290 are figures after SIX rounds. Not something a lot of people would pick up on seeing that these stats are not readily available easily but what is MOST TELLING is it just adds to his long list of factual errors which REVEALS what an INSIPID journalist he is.
 

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Are rising star nominations really that important, as it has already been said, Simon Goodwin and Tyson Edwards never got one yet they are out and out champions, what did a Port Player get one this week and Rucci is trying to rub it in:rolleyes:
 
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Firstly this topic was discussed om Melbourne radio last weekend - thats obviously where the story idea came from.

Secondly - great that the Crows have strengthened their recruiting with the addition of John Turnbull from Hawthorn, who has a very very good reputation.
 

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Originally posted by Wayne's-World
Secondly - great that the Crows have strengthened their recruiting with the addition of John Turnbull from Hawthorn, who has a very very good reputation.
My word. He is higly rated in recruiting circles. A very good move by the club. He must be responsible for the Victorian TAC Comp.

Back to the topic.

Rising star nominations are not be all and end all when it comes to rating the youngsters. Johncock, Goodwin and Edwards never got a nominations but are very good footballers. David Gallagher on the other hand just proves that Rising Star nominations are not to be taken seriously.

I think our recruiting with late picks has been very good. Its the early picks that we screw up more often than not. Another thing that I have noticed is that generally our youngsters take longer to develop. We tried to address this at the end of last year by focusing more on development. Mark Mickan has been given this role. Has it worked?????
 
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Originally posted by Stiffy_18

I think our recruiting with late picks has been very good. Its the early picks that we screw up more often than not. Another thing that I have noticed is that generally our youngsters take longer to develop. We tried to address this at the end of last year by focusing more on development. Mark Mickan has been given this role. Has it worked?????
The reason some youngster don't go earlier in the draft is because of that "development " time.
Its a bit early to judge Mickan - who specifically is he working with?

But have to say: Andrews, Jerricho, Hentschell, Bock, Hudson, have all showed noticable improvement from the beginning of the year - but do you put it down to Mickan?
 

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Originally posted by Wayne's-World
The reason some youngster don't go earlier in the draft is because of that "development " time.
Its a bit early to judge Mickan - who specifically is he working with?

But have to say: Andrews, Jerricho, Hentschell, Bock, Hudson, have all showed noticable improvement from the beginning of the year - but do you put it down to Mickan?
You are right that players who are likely to develop quicker will go earlier in the draft but the problem is that even someone like Reilly who was #12 pick, has not come along as quickly as expected. I still think he will be a very good player but he is coming along slower than expected. At the end of the season review, the club identified that we needed to put a bit more development into our youngsters. So the players that you mentioned would be working closely with Mickan. Last year Mickan was ruck and forward line coach. This year he is ruck and development coach.

You are right there has been improvement with our youngsters but its hard to pinpoint exactly if that has to do with Mickan or just natural development of youngsters.
 
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Originally posted by Stiffy_18
You are right that players who are likely to develop quicker will go earlier in the draft but the problem is that even someone like Reilly who was #12 pick, has not come along as quickly as expected.
I actually think Reilly has progressed well.
1st year in reserves, 2nd year Wizard grandfinal and good qty of games, including semi final.
Problem is injury has restricted his ability to string games together.
Perhaps a bit of out of sight out of mind.
 

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Originally posted by Wayne's-World
Firstly this topic was discussed om Melbourne radio last weekend - thats obviously where the story idea came from.

Secondly - great that the Crows have strengthened their recruiting with the addition of John Turnbull from Hawthorn, who has a very very good reputation.
now that's what I am talking about!

Turnball is a gun, he's very well known and regarded. He's of the calibre we need working for us. A strong agressive appointment, let's hope there's more to come.

also, I think it shows that we are expecting to be drafting high this year, that we are already focussing on making sure we have the best info.
 

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Originally posted by Crow-mosone
now that's what I am talking about!

Turnball is a gun, he's very well known and regarded. He's of the calibre we need working for us. A strong agressive appointment, let's hope there's more to come.

also, I think it shows that we are expecting to be drafting high this year, that we are already focussing on making sure we have the best info.
I Think Turnball was appointed at the begging of the year. He was appointed to get us a bargain with the picks we have (expected to be later picks) Now that we are likely to get a top 10 pick (or 2), the appointement will be even more important.
 
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Originally posted by Wayne's-World
I actually think Reilly has progressed well.
1st year in reserves, 2nd year Wizard grandfinal and good qty of games, including semi final.
Problem is injury has restricted his ability to string games together.
Perhaps a bit of out of sight out of mind.
Reilly's progression has slowed because he has regularly got injured.
 

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Originally posted by Porthos
Obviously you can win premierships without a lot.

True; and the other thing is quite often we are a poor judge of talent....the people doing the picking.

Jericho for example may not get nominated but it doesnt make him a lesser player.


Rucci is right nonetheless; and so is macca23

;)
 
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