Is political correctness stifling debate?

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JackOutback

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Yes cos it means the colour black and only upsets people due to association error with actual racist behaviour. The word is not inherently racist which is why african americans sometimes refer to each other as the n word. Im horrified at the use of cockroaches, rats, and monkees to describe people of certain races or religions. They are objectively racist when used to describe a race. But not the n word.
We are all stupider for having read this.
 

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I read yesterday about some baseball commentator that lost his job because he tweeted about transgender men not belonging in female toilets. I think it's a pretty fair point. Do we really want it normalized that a dude can put on a wig and hang out in the same restroom with little girls? It's a legitimate point to raise, but it's perceived as anti-LGBTI and the guy is punished for it.
Do we want it normalised that a dude can put on jeans and hang out in the same restroom as little boys? The hanging out bit isn't and shouldn't be normalised in either case and the sad reality is that parents are ill-advised to leave young children alone in a public toilet regardless of which appendages are allowed to be taken into which toilet. As a dad, I used to take my girls into a men's toilet when they were little, as there was no other option without no supervision - or when they were really little - without assistance.
 

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Do we want it normalised that a dude can put on jeans and hang out in the same restroom as little boys? The hanging out bit isn't and shouldn't be normalised in either case and the sad reality is that parents are ill-advised to leave young children alone in a public toilet regardless of which appendages are allowed to be taken into which toilet. As a dad, I used to take my girls into a men's toilet when they were little, as there was no other option without no supervision - or when they were really little - without assistance.
That isn't the same thing tho.

Its not even just little girls, its also big girls or women. Maybe they just don't want someone (of any gender) with a cock in their bathroom while they are there.
 

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That isn't the same thing tho.

Its not even just little girls, its also big girls or women. Maybe they just don't want someone (of any gender) with a cock in their bathroom while they are there.
That point was an aside.

My main point is that the theory of men putting on dresses and hanging out in public bathrooms with little girls is no different to the concept of men putting on jeans and hanging out in bathrooms with little boys.

And you're right, I expect there are many women who wouldn't like alterations to public toilet practices. There isn't a solution that will satisfy everyone, without going with a ridiculous number of differently categorised public toilets. Even then the incontinent would suffer, as there'd be nothing worse than having to sort through and decide which toilet was appropriate for you, when you're really desperate to go and can't hold on.
 

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PC has been around for years, it had already gained much traction while millennials were still in diapers. Those who recall the 90’s know the term “political correctness gone mad“ was ever more prevalent as that decade wore on. How do you judge whether it’s gone too far though? I’d say the negatives at this point outweigh any positives from it. No doubt the intention to bring it in it was brought about as the west became ever more racially diverse. I guess it’s intention was to create homogenised and stable communities. When you look at the state of play right now, can you say it’s succeeded though?
The term may be relatively knew, but the concept of there being beliefs in a society that people feel uncomfortably saying or it is genuinely dangerous to say and will provoke widespread condemnation or much worse goes back as far as known history. It's always been the way. And rather than political correctness having dramatically risen - the consequences are currently less than they have been for most of known history.

The way I see it though, the term PC should be changed from political correctness to polite correctness, because many of those who use the term frequently and negatively are really just demanding the right to be rude and offensive without any social consequence.
 

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That point was an aside.

My main point is that the theory of men putting on dresses and hanging out in public bathrooms with little girls is no different to the concept of men putting on jeans and hanging out in bathrooms with little boys.

And you're right, I expect there are many women who wouldn't like alterations to public toilet practices. There isn't a solution that will satisfy everyone, without going with a ridiculous number of differently categorised public toilets. Even then the incontinent would suffer, as there'd be nothing worse than having to sort through and decide which toilet was appropriate for you, when you're really desperate to go and can't hold on.
We must also build transgender nappie dispensories then I guess.

I know women who are survivors of some pretty bad stuff. they are the ones who first brought up that they were uncomfortable with trans people in their bathrooms. I think that is fair enough. At what point does some prick dress up just to get access to their ex? It may have already happened for all I know.

You could have Male, Female, Other ... that might cover it.
 

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We must also build transgender nappie dispensories then I guess.

I know women who are survivors of some pretty bad stuff. they are the ones who first brought up that they were uncomfortable with trans people in their bathrooms. I think that is fair enough. At what point does some prick dress up just to get access to their ex? It may have already happened for all I know.

You could have Male, Female, Other ... that might cover it.
shorten you are and nappies are not going to the party..
 

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Addiction to triggering is stifling debate.

So many people up for the fight, not the principle.


And the ‘I’m left/right and this is left/right so that should be my belief’

For example as a lefty I abhor fundamentalist religious terrorism, but I don’t believe ‘Normal’ people of the particular religion should suffer discrimination either
 

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For example as a lefty I abhor fundamentalist religious terrorism, but I don’t believe ‘Normal’ people of the particular religion should suffer discrimination either
Would you say it's never okay to discriminate against someone for what they believe in, or is it sometimes acceptable to discriminate against someone if they hold beliefs that you find abhorrent?
 

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Would you say it's never okay to discriminate against someone for what they believe in, or is it sometimes acceptable to discriminate against someone if they hold beliefs that you find abhorrent?
I don’t think you can seperate violent religious fundamentalism from criminal insane behaviour. Theres overlap.
 

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I'm relieved to learn that they cast a deaf actor to play a deaf character in the new Godzilla v King Kong movie.

But it makes me wonder how anyone could justify casting The Rock to play an amputee in Skyscraper.



It was an egregious piece of representative ventriloquism, having an able-bodied Hollywood actor offering an impression of an amputee's lived experience.

I found that representative ventriloquism offensive. The movie should henceforth be broadcast with a warning label explaining this to others who might be similarly offended.

If you disagree, you are an apologist for mocking amputees.
 

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You can't discuss issues like climate change, Covid 19 panic, "Crazy Joe" or Football umpiring these days without bracing yourself for an onslaught of angry rants and personal attacks. If half the Internet is people trying to explain how offended they were by a thing, the other half is people trying to get those people to shut up because they're afraid of censorship.
 

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