Is Shaun Burgoyne like Hawthorns Enright?

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Because you'd do it everyone should?

They are a lesser fan than you?

Maybe they're more patriotic than you?
Your opinion doesn't count for everyone. Stop making up assumptions.

I can watch and go to whatever the * I want.
 

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It's a real shame you judge others for the same thing.
Says the guy judging my preference.

Let alone calling me unpatriotic cause I would rather watch my AFL team live than sit on a couch? Laughable.
 

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Says the guy judging my preference.

Let alone calling me unpatriotic cause I would rather watch my AFL team live than sit on a couch? Laughable.
He probably is more patriotic and certainly much less hypocritical.

Supporting your own Country in the biggest sporting event in the world, which only happens every 4 years...is sitting on the couch?
 
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Burgoyne was Hawthorns best player in the threepeat era when it mattered. Twenty two games a year he would sit in the backline and do his job extremely well. Rarely beaten and damaging on the offensive but he would never overexert himself. He didn't need to.

When the chips were down and we needed to pull a win out of somewhere is when we put Burgoyne in the middle. When he went at 100% there was no player in the Hawthorn side that was better. Not even Buddy IMO. Burgoyne at full flight is just a treat for everyone. Such a sublime footballer.

We didn't need Burgoyne to be at 100% every game. He wouldn't have lasted more than two years if we put his body under such demands.
We needed Burgoyne at 100% when we needed him to be. 2013 Prelim. Without him there is no threepeat.

Comfortably sits with the Hawthorn greats IMO. Definite Hall of Famer and would probably feature as part of the 21st century TOTC at this early point.

Enright was the more consistent player over 22 games a season but I'd take Burgoyne any day of the week to win me a flag. Both champs and legends of their respective clubs. Both gentlemen on and off the field. Can't say a bad word about Enright and I doubt Geelong fans would harbour any ill feelings toward Burgoyne either.
 

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He probably is more patriotic and certainly much less hypocritical.

Supporting your own Country in the biggest sporting event in the world, which only happens every 4 years...is sitting on the couch?
Great, your opinion.

I can watch the game later if I choose. What's it to you?
 

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The fact that this comparison is even raised says a lot about the OP's ability to see beyond those that "reward" AA nominations, however shows how much Shaun's knee, and Hawthorn's team-first mantra contributed to his lack of recognition. Two players who have approached their football, and been treated at opposite ends of the spectrum, that ultimately have ended with similar career performances.

For mine, Enright was incredibly over-rated to his positional peers - winning AA multiple times when others perhaps had stronger seasons. What Enright had was incredible consistency week to week, year to year - he played the same game 300 times. He was always a top 2-3 HBF, and it was this consistency (and team success) that saw him so highly rated. He had the offensive drive of Birchall, the defensive nous of Stratton, and was able to match up on smalls, mediums, and not be hopeless outpointed on talls either.

Shaun showed as a small forward, small defender and primary onballer he could be the best in the league whilst at Port. But "Could" was all he showed. The discussion over he and Judd as the best attacking onballer essentially came down to consistency. At his best, Shaun was quite possibly better than "the best midfielder of our generation". Then, after his knee injury he came to Hawthorn.

Hawthorn were ridiculed for how much they paid (2 x first round picks) for a player who was "broken" and would only play another 50 games at best. It took a long time, there were setbacks (broken jaw on eve of return costing another two months), and Shaun has never put in a full preseason.

What he brought to Hawthorn however was the "break glass in case of emergency". With an AFL legend in the middle supported by a good group, a star-studded fowrard line, Burgoyne and Hodge could play where-ever they were needed, giving Hawthorn the luxury of Burgoyne and Hodge playing reduced minutes with less physical stress on their bodies during the season. It's why he, Hodge and Hawthorn always played better in finals - two of the best players in the league able to move into the midfield as "extra" rotations, manning up on battle fatigued and match-tired or second-string opponents.

Burgoyne will go close to making a revised Hawthorn TOTC side.
 
Burgoyne was Hawthorns best player in the threepeat era when it mattered.

As evidenced by all his Norm Smith Medals and Best & Fairests.

This is probably the rawest example of feelings over evidence in the history of the internet, and there are frightening numbers of people who think vaccines cause autism and the earth is flat.
 

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Oh no, the dreaded charge of 'unpatriotic'. Go take your nationalism to Stormfront.
There is nothing wrong with what I said.

The Socceroos are a national institution, even when they sucked.

Having a go at someone for choosing to watch the Aussies in the WC is downright unpatriotic IMO.
 
Burgoyne was the major reason for our 3peat. As many have mentioned in clutch moments he delivered. There are no superlatives as far as I am concerned that cover the value of Shaun Silk Burgoyne to the Hawthorn football club.

Enright was one of the best defenders I have seen play the game.

It's interesting reading pols opinions on here about individual accolades and how burgers could have been a legend. I can tell u now every player that has ever played would give up those accolades for premiership.

Team first was Hawthorn's mantra it's why hodge, mitchell and burgoyne spent time at half back so they could be unleashed in the big games.
 
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Not a bad call. Lotta similarities between them as defenders. Skilful, dependable, ever reliable, good decision makers, rarely beaten

Probably the major difference between them is that Enright played his whole career in defence (after an initial stint as a wingman) whereas Burgoyne has been a versatile champion who starred as a midfielder from 2005-2007, but has played everywhere at Hawthorn. Clarko's secret weapon who was moved around wherever the team needed him. This flexibility probably cost him an AA gong or two

Burgoyne is one of the more versatile players I have ever seen. He has no real weaknesses in his game. Tough as nails, but sublimely skilled. A great tackler. Equally at home up forward, in the middle or in defence.

Enright is in the discussion for all-time greatest defenders, but I would probably pick Burgoyne if I had to choose between them. He can play half back or lock-down small defender just as well Enright, but then he can go into the middle and win clearances or go forward and kick vital goals.

He may have slowed down a bit, but I think Burgoyne is playing better football at the age of 35 than just about any other past player of the same age. Boomer Harvey was exceptional in his final years (aged 35/36/37) and Michael Tuck was All Australian in 1990 (aged 37).
 
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I just worked out the comparison.

Enright is to Burgoyne as Dunstall is to Ablett (snr)

Enright/Dunstall the better career - the more consistent, reliable player who always contributes and sometimes the match winner.
Burgoyne/Ablett the more brilliant/unstoppable - when they are on, they reach a level almost without peer and can almost turn it on at will.
 

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As evidenced by all his Norm Smith Medals and Best & Fairests.

This is probably the rawest example of feelings over evidence in the history of the internet, and there are frightening numbers of people who think vaccines cause autism and the earth is flat.

You're right. Josh Gibson is a much better comparison to Enright as a HBF. Josh was the week-in/week-out player who always gave 100%, won a couple of B&F and AA gongs too.
 

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Burgoyne only having one All Australian jersey will always be an anomaly of this generation.

Could easily have four or five to his name.
 
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