Is Steve Waugh a better batsman than Viv Richards?
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No. Richards eats him for dinner.
Waugh is a better capatin than Viv was though.
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Waugh is a better capatin than Viv was though.
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Few people realise that Viv had a better captaincy win ratio % record than Clive Lloyd in a time when Viv was captaining a side on the decline
Waugh's captaincy is overrated - took the team that Taylor built and spluttered it along building up his win ratio % against rubbish sides
Viv is the best batsman I've ever seen by miles, Waugh wouldn't be in the Top 20 but is interesting how stats lie
Waugh's captaincy is overrated - took the team that Taylor built and spluttered it along building up his win ratio % against rubbish sides
Viv is the best batsman I've ever seen by miles, Waugh wouldn't be in the Top 20 but is interesting how stats lie
Waynekerr? yes
Batsman? no
Batsman? no
Border built the team in my eyes.
AB is the real legend in all of this.
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Interesting comment. As good as Viv is, you can't get much bigger a wayne kerr than him. Apparently even his team mates had trouble dealing with his legendary arrogance.
Steve Waugh and Wayne Kerr don't even know each other.
No way!
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Viv eats Waugh for breakfast.
As mentioned S.Waughs win loss ratio as captain and his batting average are inflated by playing poor teams, batting at 6 and letting the tail face 5 balls an over. Getting the Not Outs.
Viv faced the greatest depth of fast bowlers ever in the history of the game. Without all the padding and on pitches that were not like the drive ways they have these days.
Steve Waugh is a fake. Alan Border built the foundation. Mark Taylor took it to it's peak and S.Waugh cashed in on everyone else's hard work. The proof that Waugh is not the great captain everyone thinks is this series. Yes India are a pretty good side and yes Mr. Initformyself took all the focus away from the series by peddling his retirement. The great Captains Border and Taylor would have had thier teams focused on winning and not doing interviews ****ing in the pocket of an overrated hack.
As mentioned S.Waughs win loss ratio as captain and his batting average are inflated by playing poor teams, batting at 6 and letting the tail face 5 balls an over. Getting the Not Outs.
Viv faced the greatest depth of fast bowlers ever in the history of the game. Without all the padding and on pitches that were not like the drive ways they have these days.
Steve Waugh is a fake. Alan Border built the foundation. Mark Taylor took it to it's peak and S.Waugh cashed in on everyone else's hard work. The proof that Waugh is not the great captain everyone thinks is this series. Yes India are a pretty good side and yes Mr. Initformyself took all the focus away from the series by peddling his retirement. The great Captains Border and Taylor would have had thier teams focused on winning and not doing interviews ****ing in the pocket of an overrated hack.
Some stats such as batting averages are misleading when it comes to the not-out-king.
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I think a few more bowlers were ****scared of IVA than of Aussie Steve also...
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Quote of the summer.
I think viv Richards is the best I've seen, including Lara & Tendulkar.
I beleive his average could have been higher but especially in the later part of his career when captain he seemed to specialise in taking the game away from the opposition bowlers with calculated aggression, this worked for the good of the team but often meant he scored a brutal 70 or 80 rather than posting a really big score.
Such was the strength of his own side that there was seldom the need for him to get his head down & grind out the big ones.
I will say this though if my team was 50/4 on a green top at Headingly I'd rather have Steve Waugh in there than Viv Richards, because he had the temperament & technique to turn those kind of situations around.
Not really Viv's cup of tea.
One thing that sticks in my mind about Viv was the fact that he never wore a helmet, can't remember who the bowler was but once he copped one straight in the head(hard it was too) & his maroon Windies cap fell off & he merely bent down, picked it up & put it back on his head, with apparently no rubbing of the afflicted area.
The thing that I always used to wonder about also was when he was playing in Windies domestic cricket did all Holding, Croft, Garner, Davis, Clarke, Daniel, Merrick, Patterson, Walsh (& all the quick but wayward ones trying to make a name for themselves we never heard of) used to bounce him.
Because in those days the most of the pitches out there were bloody quick as well as often being a bit uneven & it just seems unbelievable to me that he survived without having his face rearranged.
I beleive his average could have been higher but especially in the later part of his career when captain he seemed to specialise in taking the game away from the opposition bowlers with calculated aggression, this worked for the good of the team but often meant he scored a brutal 70 or 80 rather than posting a really big score.
Such was the strength of his own side that there was seldom the need for him to get his head down & grind out the big ones.
I will say this though if my team was 50/4 on a green top at Headingly I'd rather have Steve Waugh in there than Viv Richards, because he had the temperament & technique to turn those kind of situations around.
Not really Viv's cup of tea.
One thing that sticks in my mind about Viv was the fact that he never wore a helmet, can't remember who the bowler was but once he copped one straight in the head(hard it was too) & his maroon Windies cap fell off & he merely bent down, picked it up & put it back on his head, with apparently no rubbing of the afflicted area.
The thing that I always used to wonder about also was when he was playing in Windies domestic cricket did all Holding, Croft, Garner, Davis, Clarke, Daniel, Merrick, Patterson, Walsh (& all the quick but wayward ones trying to make a name for themselves we never heard of) used to bounce him.
Because in those days the most of the pitches out there were bloody quick as well as often being a bit uneven & it just seems unbelievable to me that he survived without having his face rearranged.
For all of his apparent arrogance on the field (no more than DK or the Chappell's, mind you), Viv is one of the humblest, friendliest blokes I've ever had the good fortune to meet. It was over a decade ago when he and a couple of his teammates - I think he was Windies team manager at the time - came into the club I was working at.
After ordering a round for he and a couple of his mates - "Three Bundies, mun" - which he insisted on paying for, and I had to literally take money out of my own wallet behind the bar to shout him a drink while I was working - Viv proceeded to sit at the bar and talk cricket and whatever else for the next couple of hours.
This was no easy task for them - the guys were constantly peppered with offers of all sorts from passing females, from a dance to something a little more sticky. Viv was humorous and humble throughout, and he left me with the feeling when I drove home from work that night that if only some of our AFL stars could see such class in action when in the public forum.
Well put, Dipper. I'd agree with all of that.
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You have got to be kidding about Viv being a good bloke , I myself have had the misfortune of meeting him at a function and he had to be one of the most arrogant racist pigs I have ever met.
Courtney Walsh on the other hand , now there is an out and out champion on and off the pitch.
Well, we can only base our perceptions on personal experience, can't we.
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Viv Richards, Tendulkar, Sobers,Harvey Bob Simpson, Lara,
the Chappells, Walters,etc etc etc Plus many many more were much better players than Waugh.
the Chappells, Walters,etc etc etc Plus many many more were much better players than Waugh.
You can't compare the two of them
One of them's a flamboyant, hitter and blaster of the ball who scores in a rate of notts and terrorise attacks.
One is a gutsy, gritty survivor who'd build brickwalls around his wicket, bats to his strength, and at his very best at sticky situations when his team's in trouble.
If how you rate a better batsman is natural talent and strokemaking ability, then Viv is definitely better.
But if it's general batsmanship, and the sheer determination of not getting out and stay there for your team, then hell, Steve Waugh's your man
One of them's a flamboyant, hitter and blaster of the ball who scores in a rate of notts and terrorise attacks.
One is a gutsy, gritty survivor who'd build brickwalls around his wicket, bats to his strength, and at his very best at sticky situations when his team's in trouble.
If how you rate a better batsman is natural talent and strokemaking ability, then Viv is definitely better.
But if it's general batsmanship, and the sheer determination of not getting out and stay there for your team, then hell, Steve Waugh's your man
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Viv was always my favourite player, his agression was great and not wearing a helmet was either stupid or couragous but it must have but the opposition off.
When people talk about him being a good bloke or not, he has every right to be arrogant and people have good days and bad days to base an opinion for life on one meeting is not accurate.
Hayden now reminds me a bid of viv but onto S.Waugh to me he is one of the most boring batsman to watch, only my opinion but in saying that he is also a good batsman, average over 50. He was a good captain, not like AB but still a good captain.
Congratulation on a great career Steve and I'm sure everyone on this forum wishes they could achieve half of what you achieved.
When people talk about him being a good bloke or not, he has every right to be arrogant and people have good days and bad days to base an opinion for life on one meeting is not accurate.
Hayden now reminds me a bid of viv but onto S.Waugh to me he is one of the most boring batsman to watch, only my opinion but in saying that he is also a good batsman, average over 50. He was a good captain, not like AB but still a good captain.
Congratulation on a great career Steve and I'm sure everyone on this forum wishes they could achieve half of what you achieved.
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Maybe as a guide to comparisons we could trade places and eras of the two. Put Steve Baugh in at number 3 for the Windies to face Lillee, Thompson, Pascoe, Hogg, Willis, Hadlee, Cairns and co and put Viv in at 5 for the Aussies against the current crop of tripe.
Me thinks that we would have a much better average than Sir Don's floating around right now. While Steve would struggle to average 20.
Viv would put Haydon's, Ponting's and Gilchrist's last 18 months into perspective.
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Border created the team we have now. His back to the wall and never say die attitude turned Aussie cricket around.
Mark Taylor? Pffft. Boring captain who rather play for a draw. Inherited a good side from Border, but was unimaginative in my eyes. Real dull captain and personality.
Waugh made his team believe in themselves, got them to back themselves and changed the way of Test cricket by his team scoring faster and going out to win every match.
The Pakistan game where Gilly and Langer pulled of the impossible and the one day match during the World cup where Waugh scored 120 no are attributes to the way Waugh captained the side.
Give credit where credit is due.
On Waugh being a better batsman than Richards? No.
Mark Taylor? Pffft. Boring captain who rather play for a draw. Inherited a good side from Border, but was unimaginative in my eyes. Real dull captain and personality.
Waugh made his team believe in themselves, got them to back themselves and changed the way of Test cricket by his team scoring faster and going out to win every match.
The Pakistan game where Gilly and Langer pulled of the impossible and the one day match during the World cup where Waugh scored 120 no are attributes to the way Waugh captained the side.
Give credit where credit is due.
On Waugh being a better batsman than Richards? No.
Apples and oranges, comparisons are ludicrous.
But what I will say is that when I was a kid seeing Windies matches at the MCG I cannot describe the electricity in the air whenever Richards came out to bat. it was as if 60,000 people were scared witless by the prospect of what this man would do to the Australian attack. Scared yes, but also fascinated. We wanted to see that Master Blaster in action but knew he could rip us apart if he was in the right mind to do so. I don't think I've experienced that since...Tendulkar and Lara are similar to a degree but are physically smaller and without the dick-swinging swagger that Viv brought to the crease.
He was one of a kind, as was that Windies team of the day.
But what I will say is that when I was a kid seeing Windies matches at the MCG I cannot describe the electricity in the air whenever Richards came out to bat. it was as if 60,000 people were scared witless by the prospect of what this man would do to the Australian attack. Scared yes, but also fascinated. We wanted to see that Master Blaster in action but knew he could rip us apart if he was in the right mind to do so. I don't think I've experienced that since...Tendulkar and Lara are similar to a degree but are physically smaller and without the dick-swinging swagger that Viv brought to the crease.
He was one of a kind, as was that Windies team of the day.
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