Is the MCG a big advantage on Grand Final Day for Victorians against Interstate Sides? /Are Interstaters advantaged during the home and away season?

Is the MCG a significant advantage for Victorian sides against Interstate Teams on Grand Final Day?

  • Yes, It's a big advantage for the Vic Big Boys

    Votes: 191 67.3%
  • No. If you're good enough you'll win no matter who you play where you play

    Votes: 93 32.7%

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bh90210fan

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What’s that got to do with it being difficult for clubs to win on the road, not just non Vic clubs?

2017 we played a Vic team at both of our finals ground. We were advantaged from a lower finals position.

As were our opponents in 2018 in the Qualifying and Preliminary finals. But we don’t whinge about it like some other club supporters would. It just is what it is.
It’s harder for non Vics to win a premiership if we finish lower than 2nd, considering we are much more likely to travel and don’t get grand finals at home. Isn’t that what you are asking here?....

Why is it too difficult for West Coast to win from outside of the top 2 and not other clubs?
 

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for starts you are quoting stats on english teams whose travel is a sub 1 hour flight or drive and who play on the same sized grounds with similar weather conditions.

hardly the same
And even so, without any crowds, home teams are still winning 56% of matches at home in European soccer leagues


A drop of 2% overall. Seems there’s more to hga than just lopsided crowds to consider
 

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Kranky you’ve spent hundreds of posts arguing the inequity in having the GF at the G. I get it. I agree with you. But I also believe that interstate sides such as yours get a leg up in playing more advantageous games with interstate clubs flying in to your home ground.
The FIXture gives your club a leg up in home and away, while if the Vic clubs are good enough to make it, if they happen to play an interstate team (not a Vic team) in the GF, they get a decent advantage in the biggest game of the year.

Reading some of the posts on here, it is quite obvious that the WA govt blew probably the only opportunity for many west Aussies to see a GF in their lifetime.

As someone who has seen a fair few live, I do believe that the club fans should be able to see their team play on the biggest stage. I feel for you Kranky. The GF should have been in WA this year and you guys would have got the leg up on both accounts. And most importantly; you could have seen it.

I’ve been critical at that govt sitting on their hands in not stumping up cash to wrest the rights off the MCG, but all they needed to do was show a little interest this year.
you are yet to explain how we are advantaged by 10 home games where we are advantaged and 10 away where we are disadvantaged.

do you somehow think its easier for us to go the the mcg and beat richmond than it is for richmond to go to optus and beat the eagles ?
 

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Not unless you call anything other than perfect 50-50 split lopsided. Adelaide had plenty of support in '17. It wasn't lopsided like it would have been if it was a prelim in Perth, Adelaide, or Melbourne for that matter. A few neutrals probably jumped on the tigers as we were underdogs and had been in the wilderness for decades, but that is quite variable year to year and doesn't follow state allegiances. Neutrals sure as well wouldn't jump on us now. Of course it was lopsided against the Giants - they don't have any fans.
I’d call over 60% support for one side lopsided. Which is what Richmond and Collingwood both experienced in recent years
 

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I’d call over 60% support for one side lopsided. Which is what Richmond and Collingwood both experienced in recent years
the concept theres equal support is laughable.

its about 5k for a budget gf trip from wa

how much for a sa team supporter anyone?

immediately youve put an insurmountable hurdle in front of a huge percentage of fans who will never ever be able to afford to see their side in a gf.

then theres the limited tickets sold to the clubs - a pittance when we are told it must be at the mcg because numbers....

so then you are left with corporates, mcc, afl members etc which by nature of the fact that 90+ % of the members are victorian means that passionate fans will be predominately from the victorian team playing - at best the interstate team has lukewarm neutrals cheering for them.

when i get a chance im going to download 2017 and analyse the cheers as each team comes out - im betting there will be a huge difference in the noise generated for each team that will tell the story as do the pics of the crowd on the day.
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ive included a picture of the powerstance for lolz
 

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the concept theres equal support is laughable.

its about 5k for a budget gf trip from wa

how much for a sa team supporter anyone?

immediately youve put an insurmountable hurdle in front of a huge percentage of fans who will never ever be able to afford to see their side in a gf.

then theres the limited tickets sold to the clubs - a pittance when we are told it must be at the mcg because numbers....

so then you are left with corporates, mcc, afl members etc which by nature of the fact that 90+ % of the members are victorian means that passionate fans will be predominately from the victorian team playing - at best the interstate team has lukewarm neutrals cheering for them.

when i get a chance im going to download 2017 and analyse the cheers as each team comes out - im betting there will be a huge difference in the noise generated for each team that will tell the story as do the pics of the crowd on the day.
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It’s beyond laughable, it’s ridiculous.
A non Victorian side gets their allotted members in attendance + some corporate packages
A big Melbourne club gets roughly the same + afl members + mcc walk ins + a % of mcc reserved section
I was there in 2018. It would’ve been 65/35 support for Collingwood. In 2017 during the telecast they estimated a 70/30 split in favour of Richmond
 

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the concept theres equal support is laughable.

its about 5k for a budget gf trip from wa

how much for a sa team supporter anyone?

immediately youve put an insurmountable hurdle in front of a huge percentage of fans who will never ever be able to afford to see their side in a gf.

then theres the limited tickets sold to the clubs - a pittance when we are told it must be at the mcg because numbers....

so then you are left with corporates, mcc, afl members etc which by nature of the fact that 90+ % of the members are victorian means that passionate fans will be predominately from the victorian team playing - at best the interstate team has lukewarm neutrals cheering for them.

when i get a chance im going to download 2017 and analyse the cheers as each team comes out - im betting there will be a huge difference in the noise generated for each team that will tell the story as do the pics of the crowd on the day.
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Is it really that surprising that all the spectators in one bay support the same club considering the AFL openly discloses that they sell entire bays to club members during finals? A photo of one bay doesn't tell the full picture.

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If I just use this picture as the only example of the Grand Final you'd suggest that the Grand Final was full of crows supporters. ;)

Selective use of data is useful to prove a point.
 

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the concept theres equal support is laughable.

its about 5k for a budget gf trip from wa

how much for a sa team supporter anyone?

immediately youve put an insurmountable hurdle in front of a huge percentage of fans who will never ever be able to afford to see their side in a gf.

then theres the limited tickets sold to the clubs - a pittance when we are told it must be at the mcg because numbers....

so then you are left with corporates, mcc, afl members etc which by nature of the fact that 90+ % of the members are victorian means that passionate fans will be predominately from the victorian team playing - at best the interstate team has lukewarm neutrals cheering for them.

when i get a chance im going to download 2017 and analyse the cheers as each team comes out - im betting there will be a huge difference in the noise generated for each team that will tell the story as do the pics of the crowd on the day.
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ive included a picture of the powerstance for lolz
Kranky it’s about 3500 to 3900 for a premium package. Then spending money on top of that.
 

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the concept theres equal support is laughable.

its about 5k for a budget gf trip from wa

how much for a sa team supporter anyone?

immediately youve put an insurmountable hurdle in front of a huge percentage of fans who will never ever be able to afford to see their side in a gf.

then theres the limited tickets sold to the clubs - a pittance when we are told it must be at the mcg because numbers....

so then you are left with corporates, mcc, afl members etc which by nature of the fact that 90+ % of the members are victorian means that passionate fans will be predominately from the victorian team playing - at best the interstate team has lukewarm neutrals cheering for them.

when i get a chance im going to download 2017 and analyse the cheers as each team comes out - im betting there will be a huge difference in the noise generated for each team that will tell the story as do the pics of the crowd on the day.
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ive included a picture of the powerstance for lolz
First pic isn't even from the GF, its at night.
Guessing its probably from 17 PF, T shirt weather that night.

Appreciate the inclusion of the power stance pic, but that looks like a pretty heavy contingent of Adelaide supporters behind them.
 

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you are yet to explain how we are advantaged by 10 home games where we are advantaged and 10 away where we are disadvantaged.

do you somehow think its easier for us to go the the mcg and beat richmond than it is for richmond to go to optus and beat the eagles ?
No it’s the same.
I’m not sure ten teams fly in to play us on our deck each year like your mob does though?
 

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the concept theres equal support is laughable.

its about 5k for a budget gf trip from wa

how much for a sa team supporter anyone?

immediately youve put an insurmountable hurdle in front of a huge percentage of fans who will never ever be able to afford to see their side in a gf.

then theres the limited tickets sold to the clubs - a pittance when we are told it must be at the mcg because numbers....

so then you are left with corporates, mcc, afl members etc which by nature of the fact that 90+ % of the members are victorian means that passionate fans will be predominately from the victorian team playing - at best the interstate team has lukewarm neutrals cheering for them.

when i get a chance im going to download 2017 and analyse the cheers as each team comes out - im betting there will be a huge difference in the noise generated for each team that will tell the story as do the pics of the crowd on the day.
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Did we ever find out who was the actual person that decided on the power stance?
 

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Is this s**t still going?

Are there still people who think that there "isn't" a Vic advantage on Grand Final day? That they think that its 100% fair?
Are there still people who think that there "isn't" a Vic advantage in finishing higher on the ladder? That they don't believe the absolute statistical proof that good Vic teams finish higher on the ladder than they would in a fair comp, and bad Vic teams finish lower on the ladder than they would in a fair comp?

Seriously?
Does Donald Trump have a BF account here or something?
 

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First pic isn't even from the GF, its at night.
Guessing its probably from 17 PF, T shirt weather that night.

Appreciate the inclusion of the power stance pic, but that looks like a pretty heavy contingent of Adelaide supporters behind them.
its considered haute couture to include any picture of the power stance on bigfootoit

le piss must be extracted en masse

this trancends all club and state boundaries
 

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No it’s the same.
I’m not sure ten teams fly in to play us on our deck each year like your mob does though?
if its the same

its 10 with an advantage so for instance in a flag year - 2018 we won 7/10.

2/10 neutral brings it up to 9/10.

we won 16 games for the year. so 7/10 interstate.


if we dont win interstate we arent a threat.

in 2018 8th spot was geelong with 13 wins

the concept that we can just win at home and do nothing away is ludicrous.

we beat a coupla teams we shouldnt beat at home, we lose to teams we shouldnt lose to away and we also lose to one or two we shouldnt lose to at home just because the travel burden is crushing and builds up over the year.


add that to the fact that - like vic teams that come to perth, have a hard fought game then go home and stink it up the next week - we have ten opportunities every year to do the same thing.

every year we drop games at home to poor teams because between a hard game, a flight and a short break we just arent running. its really noticeable when all game you see more oppo players at every contested ball.
 
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for starts you are quoting stats on english teams whose travel is a sub 1 hour flight or drive and who play on the same sized grounds with similar weather conditions.

hardly the same
Then look at some of the other links. There are plenty to choose from.

Or just ask yourself why Kardinia Park exhibits the 2nd strongest Home Ground Advantage effect in the AFL despite being less than an hour's drive from Melbourne.
 

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Then look at some of the other links. There are plenty to choose from.

Or just ask yourself why Kardinia Park exhibits the 2nd strongest Home Ground Advantage effect in the AFL despite being less than an hour's drive from Melbourne.
i can show you just as many links that show the opposite.

i can also show you that in this cv compromised year that all over the world teams are playing matches with zero crowds

and the home teams are still winning just 3% less than they do in a normal season.
 

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you are yet to explain how we are advantaged by 10 home games where we are advantaged and 10 away where we are disadvantaged.

do you somehow think its easier for us to go the the mcg and beat richmond than it is for richmond to go to optus and beat the eagles ?
I don't believe the Eagles get an advantage from the Home & Away fixture, all things considered, but it is probably slightly easier for the Eagles to win at the MCG than for a Melbourne-based team to win at Optus, because the former situation involves a bit more ground familiarity.

I.e. the ideal scenario for any team would be to play all their home games at a boutique stadium that their opponents hardly ever visit and therefore have no familiarity or fan presence at, then play all their away games at the same general-purpose stadium shared by many teams.
 

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i can show you just as many links that show the opposite.

i can also show you that in this cv compromised year that all over the world teams are playing matches with zero crowds

and the home teams are still winning just 3% less than they do in a normal season.
I would be very happy to look at any studies that suggest that travel, not crowds, are the major source of home advantage.

Yes, there is evidence that home ground advantage doesn't completely disappear when you remove crowds. It is not 100% about crowds. But it isn't mostly, or even largely, about travel.

And I think you mean three percentage points, not three percent. Which is a big difference.
 

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In normal circumstances, Port plays 10 games at home against interstate sides, 2 games against the Crows (neutral games) and 10 games interstate against interstate sides. So playing all these (10) games at home is cancelled out by playing all these (10) games interstate.

A Victorian side might play 12 (neutral) games against Victorian sides in Victoria, 5 games in Victoria against interstate sides and 5 games interstate against interstate sides. Again, everything cancels eachother out.

But one thing that doesn't cancel out is the grand final in Melbourne.

Another thing, don't underestimate the benefit that Victorian clubs have of playing neutral games at the MCG. I remember in the early 2000s when Port was contending for premierships, one of its big hurdles was Collingwood. While Port was racking up easy wins at Football park, there was Collingwood playing Essendon, Richmond, Carlton in front of big crowds at the MCG. Granted Carlton were sh*t but just to get exposure on the MCG in front of big crowds a number of times a year is invaluable. The fact Brisbane won 3 premierships in a row against Essendon and Collingwood twice shows you how good that Brisbane team was. Yet Hawthorn's 3peat were all against interstate sides. Everyone knows which 3peat is more impressive on paper.
 

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This whole non-vic clubs are more advantages by playing teams in a true home ground idea is garbage.

At any point in time there are 4-5 garbage Victorian sides. This means there’s 4-5 easy away games without travelling every year.

Then if you’re a big club there’s away games against minnows where your crowd outnumbers them as opposed to going to Darwin or Tasmania.

Titus O’Reilly said it best. If you were to start a club from scratch, you would be an MCG based tenant even in the saturated Melbourne market.
 

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I don't believe the Eagles get an advantage from the Home & Away fixture, all things considered, but it is probably slightly easier for the Eagles to win at the MCG than for a Melbourne-based team to win at Optus, because the former situation involves a bit more ground familiarity.

I.e. the ideal scenario for any team would be to play all their home games at a boutique stadium that their opponents hardly ever visit and therefore have no familiarity or fan presence at, then play all their away games at the same general-purpose stadium shared by many teams.
Non Victorians are lucky to average 2 games a year on the mcg, we’re barely more familiar with the place than Victorian clubs in Perth
 

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Non Victorians are lucky to average 2 games a year on the mcg, we’re barely more familiar with the place than Victorian clubs in Perth
Yes, true. It's probably more of an effect at Docklands, where a team like Sydney plays quite often. Although even then it's unlikely to make a whole lot of difference either way.
 

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if its the same

its 10 with an advantage so for instance in a flag year - 2018 we won 7/10.

2/10 neutral brings it up to 9/10.

we won 16 games for the year. so 7/10 interstate.


if we dont win interstate we arent a threat.

in 2018 8th spot was geelong with 13 wins

the concept that we can just win at home and do nothing away is ludicrous.

we beat a coupla teams we shouldnt beat at home, we lose to teams we shouldnt lose to away and we also lose to one or two we shouldnt lose to at home just because the travel burden is crushing and builds up over the year.


add that to the fact that - like vic teams that come to perth, have a hard fought game then go home and stink it up the next week - we have ten opportunities every year to do the same thing.

every year we drop games at home to poor teams because between a hard game, a flight and a short break we just arent running. its really noticeable when all game you see more oppo players at every contested ball.
It's the reason that 13 of the best 16 home and away seasons in the AFL era are from Vic teams.

The best Vic team will start favourites in 16 games against their local opposition and 3 to 4 games on the road.
It's why they can pull out 21-1 and 20-2 and 19-3 records that are almost unattainable by a non Vic club.
 

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Non Victorians are lucky to average 2 games a year on the mcg, we’re barely more familiar with the place than Victorian clubs in Perth
What, you mean that Tom Lynch in 2 years has played the MCG 8 more times than Travis Boak has in a 14 year career, isn't just a statistical anomaly?
 

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