Is the MCG a big advantage on Grand Final Day for Victorians against Interstate Sides? /Are Interstaters advantaged during the home and away season?

Is the MCG a significant advantage for Victorian sides against Interstate Teams on Grand Final Day?

  • Yes, It's a big advantage for the Vic Big Boys

    Votes: 234 68.2%
  • No. If you're good enough you'll win no matter who you play where you play

    Votes: 109 31.8%

  • Total voters
    343

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bh90210fan

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Again you don’t get it.

Home advantage isn’t solely about travel.

I listed for you five different components that I think contribute to home ground advantage.

You assess each game individually, if one team receives an advantage the other is disadvantaged by the same amount.

You always have to review the circumstances of BOTH teams.

If BOTH teams travel, sleep in hotels and face disruption to their regular routine...then travel isn’t a factor in any advantage in that game.

Which is why Hawthorn traveling for a ‘home’ game and joining their opponent with an airplane trip, night sleeping in hotels, disruption to regular game routine means they have just seen components of the home advantage gone.

You can’t then assign that game a +10/-10 if a +10 is supposed to reflect situation where one team is at home sleeping in their own bed with normal routine and playing in front of the own rabid fans at home.

So yes, I acknowledge that a team like Hawthorn who travel for four home games is in fact dudded...you keep trying to claim they ‘host’ six teams at home.
They did host 6 teams at home

their home advantage doesn’t drop in half by flying for 40 minutes

the teams they face are also disadvantaged when they travel there

your grading of hga is ridiculous

in your view every non Victorian side is more advantaged than Victorian teams every year - even when the squiggle - who has a better idea than anyone, ranked Hawthorns fixture top in terms of hga in 2018. A year when Freo were handed an extra home game when the Commonwealth games were on

which makes sense. They only played 4 away games outside of Melbourne the whole year

think I’ll side with squiggle thanks

if hawthorn are so hampered by traveling to Tasmania, non Victorians have to be severely hampered every year when they travel twice as often as Melbourne clubs. Any game where you don’t have to travel is a +
 

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They did host 6 teams at home

their home advantage doesn’t drop in half by flying for 40 minutes

the teams they face are also disadvantaged when they travel there

your grading of hga is ridiculous

in your view every non Victorian side is more advantaged than Victorian teams every year - even when the squiggle - who has a better idea than anyone, ranked Hawthorns fixture top in terms of hga in 2018. A year when Freo were handed an extra home game when the Commonwealth games were on

which makes sense. They only played 4 away games outside of Melbourne the whole year

think I’ll side with squiggle thanks

if hawthorn are so hampered by traveling to Tasmania, non Victorians have to be severely hampered every year when they travel twice as often as Melbourne clubs. Any game where you don’t have to travel is a +
its simply idiotic

if west coast play collingwood in geraldton as part of a 3-4 game a year contract we still have a home ground advantage and the flight is nothing compared to what collingwood would endure.

we would fly up in the morning and be back home in time for dinner.
 

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They did host 6 teams at home

their home advantage doesn’t drop in half by flying for 40 minutes

the teams they face are also disadvantaged when they travel there

your grading of hga is ridiculous

in your view every non Victorian side is more advantaged than Victorian teams every year - even when the squiggle - who has a better idea than anyone, ranked Hawthorns fixture top in terms of hga in 2018. A year when Freo were handed an extra home game when the Commonwealth games were on

which makes sense. They only played 4 away games outside of Melbourne the whole year

think I’ll side with squiggle thanks

if hawthorn are so hampered by traveling to Tasmania, non Victorians have to be severely hampered every year when they travel twice as often as Melbourne clubs. Any game where you don’t have to travel is a +
Last year you traveled, 5th, this year you didn't travel, 5th.

Stats are starting to add up, they are starting to make you look like an idiot.
 

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They did host 6 teams at home
Hawthorn’s home is the MCG

They ‘hosted’ six non-vic teams

2 at the G
1 at Etihad
3 at YorkPark

Does the actual ground, how many games you play there, what state you play in have any influence on the advantage?

Or is it simply...if you are listed as the nominal ‘home’ side you get a full advantage, the +10 in finalsiren terms.
their home advantage doesn’t drop in half by flying for 40 minutes
How much does it drop by?

How much of the advantage/disadvantage is caused by plane travel, sleeping in a hotel, having normal routine interrupted?

How much of the advantage/disadvantage is caused by ground familiarity?

How much of the advantage/disadvantage is caused by the crowd support?

the teams they face are also disadvantaged when they travel there
Herp derp, I rated a game in tassie positive to Hawthorn and negative to their opponent.

It just isn’t the full disadvantage, which is when one team is at home at the ground they play at most, in front of their supporters, defending their own turf whilst the other is on the road, staying in a hotel etc

your grading of hga is ridiculous
What is yours? All I have seen is travel doesn’t matter if you sell it.

How much of the advantage/disadvantage is caused by plane travel, sleeping in a hotel, having normal routine interrupted?

How much of the advantage/disadvantage is caused by ground familiarity?

How much of the advantage/disadvantage is caused by the crowd support?

in your view every non Victorian side is more advantaged than Victorian teams every year - even when the squiggle - who has a better idea than anyone, ranked Hawthorns fixture top in terms of hga in 2018. A year when Freo were handed an extra home game when the Commonwealth games were on
? I rated Hawthorn as having an easy fixture, it was +6.

The fact finalsiren didn’t have Freo as the easiest fixture from a home advantage perspective just highlights the flaws in his method...

if hawthorn are so hampered by traveling to Tasmania, non Victorians have to be severely hampered every year when they travel twice as often as Melbourne clubs. Any game where you don’t have to travel is a +
Hawthorn are not hampered, as they still enjoy an advantage in Tassie...as my ranking showed.

And no you still don’t get it, in each game if one team has a home ground advantage their opponent has to face the same disadvantage. You can’t have two teams with an advantage for the same game.
 

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its simply idiotic

if west coast play collingwood in geraldton as part of a 3-4 game a year contract we still have a home ground advantage and the flight is nothing compared to what collingwood would endure.

we would fly up in the morning and be back home in time for dinner.
In this instance the AFL would look after Collingwood and work with sponsor airline to schedule a flight direct to Geraldton...as they do at the moment for traveling teams going to venues that don’t have regular direct flights.

So our ‘away’ game and travel doesn’t change, we were always coming west to play the Eagles...always sleeping in hotel, playing at a ground we are lucky to see once a year etc.

Not playing in Perth, that means your players miss out on some of their usual perks.

Eagles players don’t get to enjoy normal home routine, what if preference was to head up the day before then sleep in a hotel (the horror), also miss out on the significant familiarity and psychological advantage of defending home turf at Optus in front of 60k Eagles and the noise of affirmation

Is your position that none of that - crowd, ground familiarity, routine, psych of defending home turf - contributes to home advantage?
 

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In this instance the AFL would look after Collingwood and work with sponsor airline to schedule a flight direct to Geraldton...as they do at the moment for traveling teams going to venues that don’t have regular direct flights.

So our ‘away’ game and travel doesn’t change, we were always coming west to play the Eagles...always sleeping in hotel, playing at a ground we are lucky to see once a year etc.

Not playing in Perth, that means your players miss out on some of their usual perks.

Eagles players don’t get to enjoy normal home routine, what if preference was to head up the day before then sleep in a hotel (the horror), also miss out on the significant familiarity and psychological advantage of defending home turf at Optus in front of 60k Eagles and the noise of affirmation

Is your position that none of that - crowd, ground familiarity, routine, psych of defending home turf - contributes to home advantage?
what part of 1 hour flight in the morning, play game and 1 hour flight home escapes you?

no hotel, no routine disruption. fans still one sided. and after a few years of playing there 4 times a year you have ground familiarity.

as ive pointed out to you several times north have built a 75% win ratio at blunstone in tassie - despite being a bog ordinary team.
 

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