Is the UK monarchy hastening its downfall through PR stupidity?

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:rolleyes: Of course.
Verified fact US media merrily reported King Edward-Wallis Simpson gossip pre-abdication while British Empire press chose not to for some reason...

Quitting being king? I was referring to Edward VII (who famously and publicly did not get on with his mother the Queen, who blamed him for his father's death). Not Edward VIII.
Oh. Well I'm sure the press in the pre-democracy-as-we'd-recognise-it era was just as comprised.
 

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Verified fact US media merrily reported King Edward-Wallis Simpson gossip pre-abdication while British Empire press chose not to for some reason...
Respectful of and deferential to the monarchy. What really kept the press from reporting on the affair was a gentleman's agreement undertaken by news proprietors who were mindful of upsetting the King. However it was reported by the media in many Commonwealth countries. From 30th November onwards however the British press reported it widely

Oh. Well I'm sure the press in the pre-democracy-as-we'd-recognise-it era was just as comprised.
Despite the rumors that he had fathered several illegitimate children through his affairs, there was only ever evidence of one, and even that one couldn’t be traced. Edward was good at making sure that his secrets stayed secret. His diaries contained very little personal information, and he had most of the letters from his women burned, so no details about possible children came from there . However he was named as a witness in Charles Mordaunt's public divorce proceedings. Scandal-mongering journalist Adolphus Rosenberg wrote in Town Talk of rumours that Lille Langtry's husband would divorce her and he cited, among others, the Prince of Wales as co-responder.
 

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People might be underselling Will and Kate - they are quite a modern couple. They seem pretty normal. They work hard. They are intelligent. They will presumably steer a more reasonable course going forward-have no doubt they, along with Charles, will make it a bit less traditional, a bit less removed. Can’t see any reason it can’t continue in something of an altered fashion after the queen has gone.
Noone wants a woke monarchy. The wokeists hate them so zero point in appeasing them.

"[The British monarchy:] Its mystery is its life. We must not let in daylight upon magic. We must not bring the Queen into the combat of politics, or she will cease to be reverenced by all combatants."

Bagehot knew what he was talking about.
 

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Noone wants a woke monarchy. The wokeists hate them so zero point in appeasing them.

"[The British monarchy:] Its mystery is its life. We must not let in daylight upon magic. We must not bring the Queen into the combat of politics, or she will cease to be reverenced by all combatants."

Bagehot knew what he was talking about.
Not talking about ‘woke’ at all, and don’t have an issue with the monarchy remaining a bit of a ‘mystery.‘ Of course though, there is still some developing they can do. Don’t have much doubt that it’ll be a period of adjustment after the queen in anycase. She’s been in charge for a long time so it’ll be pretty major time when the baton is passed on.
And no need to speak in absolutes, the monarchy can manage nuanced changes.
 

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Maybe they have no perspective without Phillips influence. They WILL lose this PR stoush with Megan Markle

Raising the attack while the woman is pregnant for a second time? priceless


Archaic and Toxic. Probably the best descriptions going around. Harry himself said “The Crown” pretty much represents the vibe
Meghan Markle thinks its important the world know that she is the one that cried over an argument regarding whether the flower girl should wear socks.

is this really the hill you want to die on?
 

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The British monarchy has survived far worst crises than this. This is small fry and while it's obvious republicans will be talking up the seriousness of it all, to further drive their agenda, the reality is the monarchy will emerge relatively unscathed. Even now there are doubts being placed on some of the allegations made.

https://www.news.com.au/entertainment/celebrity-life/royals/royal-experts-throw-doubt-on-meghans-explosive-claims/news-story/e94d0276d7f7e59594b5ac13641b8b41

What in fact do we have in terms of the allegations?
- Archie wasnt given the title of prince. (See the patent letters of George V to see why) and subsequent protection.
- Meaghan was told by her husband that there were comments by a royal about how dark the skin colour of their son might be.
- The Duchess of Sussex had suicidal thoughts and claimed that she was denied help for mental health

The British monarchy is in the throes of being slimmed down to Prince Charles' immediate family and while Harry and Meaghan were originally part of that plan, the focus will be further narrowed to Prince William and his family.
Yep all the accusations were irrelevant nonsense. It’s quite funny how the media tried to paint this as not only news worthy but a mass scandal.
 

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Heres a question which is Hypothetical now. William is/was well in front of Harry in line for the throne.

But did he have any invested power 'stronger' than Harry's, other than what influence he has with her majesty? I see Charles has some power as he controls much of their finances - both houses.

I say hypothetical. Harry now has more authority over his own family than William has over his
 

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Yep all the accusations were irrelevant nonsense. It’s quite funny how the media tried to paint this as not only news worthy but a mass scandal.
Sells papers and generates clicks. The hyperbole about how it is the greatest crisis to the British monarchy snce Diana is rubbish. Media commentary such as the "institution has been damaged like never before" is overblown sensationalism.
 

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