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I found this listed under 'news' on Realfooty:

http://www.smh.com.au/afl/afl-news/...game-of-mumfriendly-soccer-20100612-y4r1.html

I'd take issue with a couple of points and I don't really know what the point of the article is. Why does this sort of thing get published on mainstream sports websites when it seems to be a thinly-veiled rant? Weird, I thought.
Read his blogs; full of anti AFL agendas.....

http://tribe13.wordpress.com/2010/06/05/afl-braggart/#comments

His reply to my comment seems to reek of high class journalism.....
 
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I found this listed under 'news' on Realfooty:

http://www.smh.com.au/afl/afl-news/...game-of-mumfriendly-soccer-20100612-y4r1.html

I'd take issue with a couple of points and I don't really know what the point of the article is. Why does this sort of thing get published on mainstream sports websites when it seems to be a thinly-veiled rant? Weird, I thought.
I haven't read a newspaper this week but I have very serious doubts that this article would have made it into the print version of the Age. IT would have been in the SMH though.
 
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That fagan character is your typical RL Unlimited Vic hating neanderthal. But that's OK.

What I dislike is that he calls himself a historian. That he is not - as I've came across previous ludicrous claims he's made about the Australian Game (for which he tries, but fails, to disguise his paranoia). Look at the claims he makes in this bizarre article - that bouncng the ball was used to stop plyers from running - but is now innefective. WRONG.

It was brought in to limit fast runners (especially champion athlete and footballer A.K.A Harrison) from running the length of the field with the ball (like in rugby), by making it harder (but not impossible) to run with the ball.

Anyone that has played the game knows that running AND bouncing is harder than just plain running - and still slows a player, even at elite level. How often in a game do we see any more than 3 bounces in a run. Rarely. So Fagan has this completely wrong.

His second point - that punching the ball was devised simply as a method to circumvent the ban on throwing - but today handballing is as easy as throwing - also WRONG. A two year old can throw a ball - but not even most 6 year olds can deliver a handball. Its a skill to execute it effectively under pressure - that's why under great pressure (e.g. getting slung in a tackle) every weekend some players get pinged for throwing - as it is quicker and easier than a handball. Again, Fagan (who has certainly never played Australian Football, or demonstated even a rudimentary understanding thereof), displays his ignorance (or his agenda).

As a so-called historian, he should stick strictly to the News Ltd code. It's just possible he may know a couple of things about that code. Maybe he can tell us what happened to the scrum?
 

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I haven't read a newspaper this week but I have very serious doubts that this article would have made it into the print version of the Age. IT would have been in the SMH though.

It's a shame these articles don't make it into Melbourne papers. Fagan and his ilk need to be shown up for their bias and rubbish about our game.

I want the people of Melbourne to see the bias from these Sydney idiots, I want them to understand that many NSW folk and in particular rugby league people are insular and backward.

They are racist and bigoted. Whether it's a different sport (AFL) , different skin colour (Cronulla, indigenous people, polynesians) or a different state (Victorians in particular) they are the most backward prejudiced people in Australia.

How a rugby league 'historian' has any crediblity on Australian football is beyond me. Fagan can spin anyway he likes it shows he is scared.

A good example of what Fagan is afraid of:

http://www.smh.com.au/afl/afl-news/...signing-will-pay-dividends-20100613-y638.html

"His signing for the Swans also amounts to a blow for athletics, rugby league, rugby union and football."

"The brothers had been urged to play ''Aussie sports'' by their uncle and guardian, Sulaiman, who came to Australia in 2002. They started playing Aussie rules with the local club, the Western Suburbs Magpies"

;)

That bit about Aussie sports would really burn.
 

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It's a shame these articles don't make it into Melbourne papers. Fagan and his ilk need to be shown up for their bias and rubbish about our game.

I want the people of Melbourne to see the bias from these Sydney idiots, I want them to understand that many NSW folk and in particular rugby league people are insular and backward.

They are racist and bigoted. Whether it's a different sport (AFL) , different skin colour (Cronulla, indigenous people, polynesians) or a different state (Victorians in particular) they are the most backward prejudiced people in Australia.

How a rugby league 'historian' has any crediblity on Australian football is beyond me. Fagan can spin anyway he likes it shows he is scared.

A good example of what Fagan is afraid of:

http://www.smh.com.au/afl/afl-news/...signing-will-pay-dividends-20100613-y638.html

"His signing for the Swans also amounts to a blow for athletics, rugby league, rugby union and football."

"The brothers had been urged to play ''Aussie sports'' by their uncle and guardian, Sulaiman, who came to Australia in 2002. They started playing Aussie rules with the local club, the Western Suburbs Magpies"

;)

That bit about Aussie sports would really burn.
That's the point. To be honest I'm surprised that this even made it in to the Sydney Morning Herald. The AFL does deals with media outlets to legislate favorable coverage (as revealed in the C7 court case a few years back) hence my amusement at the fact it made it's way into a Sydney Newspaper.

I can only imagine the outcry from the AFL media and adminsitration were it allowed to be run in the Age or Fairfax equivalants in WA , SA or Tasmania.

As for Fagan or rugby league types being "afraid" of the signing of a solitary African kid by the Swans; whoopty feckin doo! I went to school with two kids who were drafted at the end of year 12. They played in TAC and Vic rep teams. Now, I haven't followed the game for at least ten years but last I looked or heard neither of these lads were currently running around in the AFL. Just because you get drafted, regardless of how long you've been playing, doesn't guarantee that you have a long term place in the game.

As for this;

"His signing for the Swans also amounts to a blow for athletics, rugby league, rugby union and football."
It's reeks of arrogance and downright delusion. How is it a "blow" for rugby league or any other sport? Jamal Idris' (Canterbury-Bankstown Bulldogs centre three-quarter) father is Nigerian. It would equally as arrogant or deluded to say that his heritage would be a blow to any other sport if we encouraged a dozen Nigerian kids to sign with a rugby league club. Let's add to that the fact that Jamal was a champion track and field athlete in high school yet I'm not that arrogant to suggest that athletics is the loser

It's a shame these articles don't make it into Melbourne papers. Fagan and his ilk need to be shown up for their bias and rubbish about our game.

I want the people of Melbourne to see the bias from these Sydney idiots, I want them to understand that many NSW folk and in particular rugby league people are insular and backward.
My God, that's rich! An AFL person accusing rugby league of being biased, insular and backward? Have you ever watched an epiosode of Offsiders? And let's not forget all and sundry (Patrick Smith, Damian Barrett and some clown from the Age being the worst offenders) including Demitrispew weighing in on the fall out from State Of Origin 3 last year.

They are racist and bigoted. Whether it's a different sport (AFL)
Pot, meet kettle :eek:

See above.

different skin colour (Cronulla, indigenous people, polynesians)
Funny that. I could have sworn there was a game up in Robina celebrating the indigenous heritage of rugby league in February and it was that big a success it's going to become an annual event. Let's also throw in the curtain raiser to the 2008 Rugby League World Cup between the Indigenous Dreamteam and the New Zealand Maori. Both those teams were captained by a little fella going by the name of Preston Campbell who is incredibly proud of his heritage and is a magnificent advertisement for his game and his people. He's also the one repsonsible for flagging the idea of an annual Indigenous Vs All Stars as an annual event.

But that's OK; you stick with the Dreamtime Game, which probably features more Caucasians that Aboriginals yet the only "indigenous" link it has is the fact that an individual (Kevin Sheedy) who is often credited with unearting the gold mine of Aborignal talent has an involvement with the both the clubs that contest it. Mind you, I'm not debating the merits of some of the Aboriginal lads that have played for the Bombers and Tigers (Long, Wanganeen, Rioli etc) but I'd be very interested to see if the concept of an All-Aboriginal Vs All AFL would take off.

And while I'm at it, any sporting fan in this country worth their salt should know about a fella by the name of Arthur Beetson;

source: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arthur_Beetson

Arthur Henry "Artie" Beetson, OAM (born 22 January, 1945 in Roma, Queensland) is an Australian former rugby league player and coach. He represented Queensland and Australia from 1964 to 1981. His position was at prop. Beetson became the first Indigenous Australian to captain his country in any sport.[2] and is frequently cited as the best post-war forward in Australian rugby league history
Beetson is often regarded as Australia's best ever forward, and in 2000 he was awarded the Australian Sports Medal, then in 2001 the Centenary Medal "for service to Australian society through the sport of rugby league". He was inducted into the Australian Rugby League Hall of Fame in 2003. In May 2004 his book, Big Artie: The Autobiography was published. Also that year he became the seventh selected post-war "Immortal" of the Australian game with Churchill, Raper, Gasnier, Fulton, Langlands and Wally Lewis.


In February 2008, Beetson was named in a list of Australia's 100 Greatest Players (1908–2007) which was commissioned by the NRL and ARL to celebrate the code's centenary year in Australia.[4][5] Beetson went on to be named in the front-row in Australian rugby league's Team of the Century
Yeah, because rugby league doesn't like or acknowledge Aboriginal players and is generally a racist sport :rolleyes:

Interesting comment from Adam Goodes today in the wake of the Andrew Johns (who I personally loathe and would love to see him get his come uppance) in today's Australian as well.

source: http://www.theaustralian.com.au/new...rget-timana-tahu/story-e6frg7mf-1225879643232

The escalation in the scandal came as Sydney Swans indigenous player Adam Goodes claimed racism still occurred in AFL and he had been subject to the same abuse as Johns used towards Inglis.
"It still happens and that's the truth," Goodes said.
Sydney Swans star Adam Goodes yesterday admitted he in recent seasons had been subject to the sort of racial slurs used by Johns.Goodes, speaking at the National Centre for Indigenous Excellence in Redfern where the Swans were training yesterday, was asked when was the last time he heard such racial slurs used in the AFL.
"Within the last five years," Goodes answered.
Take off the blinkers; racism is a much, much bigger issue than which sport it occurs in more often. It's like drug abuse, respect for women... we might as well throw in homosexuality as well seeing as the walking bleach blonde headline bought it up a few weeks back and all the other things that the AFL and NRL respectively blow their horns about; they are issues in society in general.
 
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Good article there, Redb#

That kids uncle was very wise advising them to take up "Aussie sports". Exactly the heart warming story that a person like Fagan would hare.

Fagan sure ticks the boxes of the proverbial cliqued backward, boneheaded, paranoid Vic hating News Ltd rugby supporter. You're right - The Age should publish his ludicrous claims on Australian Football - the ridicule that would follow (in addition to all the factual corrections to his nonsense) would be enjoyable.

He just can't come to terms with the fact that Australian Football is our own Australian game, that gets far bigger crowd and has far more support and participation nationwide (not to mention revenue) - which he desperately (and dishonestly) tries to denigrate because he supports an English code (now controlled by an American based media corporation).

I would think his articles are getting just too bizarre and paranoid for many to take seriously.
 
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It's a shame these articles don't make it into Melbourne papers. Fagan and his ilk need to be shown up for their bias and rubbish about our game.

I want the people of Melbourne to see the bias from these Sydney idiots, I want them to understand that many NSW folk and in particular rugby league people are insular and backward.

They are racist and bigoted. Whether it's a different sport (AFL) , different skin colour (Cronulla, indigenous people, polynesians) or a different state (Victorians in particular) they are the most backward prejudiced people in Australia.

How a rugby league 'historian' has any crediblity on Australian football is beyond me. Fagan can spin anyway he likes it shows he is scared.

A good example of what Fagan is afraid of:

http://www.smh.com.au/afl/afl-news/...signing-will-pay-dividends-20100613-y638.html

"His signing for the Swans also amounts to a blow for athletics, rugby league, rugby union and football."

"The brothers had been urged to play ''Aussie sports'' by their uncle and guardian, Sulaiman, who came to Australia in 2002. They started playing Aussie rules with the local club, the Western Suburbs Magpies"

;)

That bit about Aussie sports would really burn.
Racism, maybe you need to read up on some history, the sport you follow is way out in fron of every other sport in this country.

http://books.google.com.au/books?id...&resnum=2&ved=0CBoQ6AEwAQ#v=onepage&q&f=false

Enjoy.
 
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Ah yes, Allan "aboriginal players should conduct themselves like white players" McAllister. How could we possibly forget?
 
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Fagan sure ticks the boxes of the proverbial cliqued backward, boneheaded, paranoid Vic hating News Ltd rugby supporter. You're right - The Age should publish his ludicrous claims on Australian Football - the ridicule that would follow (in addition to all the factual corrections to his nonsense) would be enjoyable.
Not anywhere near as enjoyable or amusing as watching every AFL journo worth his or her salt falling over each other to form a rebutal.
 
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Hush Money #19 .... clever, I get it, I see your agenda now.

Your quoting is all over the shop, but this:

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But I'd be very interested to see if the concept of an All-Aboriginal Vs All AFL would take off.
An Aboriginal All-Stars match was first played in 1983 vs. Richmond in country Victoria, then again in 1994, vs. Collingwood in Darwin, and then every second year from 2003 vs. Carlton (2005 vs. Western Bulldogs, 2007 vs. Essendon, 2009 vs. Adelaide, and will be again in 2011; Aboriginal AFL players will have 13 more AFL clubs to play before they've played them all).

Darwin is the spiritual home of Indigenous football in Australia; very appropriate its played there and not on some tacky tourist strip backed by a failed(ing?) club boss.

It took the AFL a while to pick its All-Stars concept back up, i.e. 1983, 1994, 2003..., but in the meantime the league led the way for sport in Australia in regards to player welfare, even if some recalcitrants took their time to.

As for support, it gets decent crowds, Marrara is always packed out and after 2011, it may move to Alice Springs, another centre where Aboriginal football flourishes. Expect that to be well supported too.

Educate yourself a little:
http://www.sportingpulse.com/assoc_page.cgi?c=1-5545-0-0-0&sID=77314
 
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Hush Money #19 .... clever, I get it, I see your agenda now.

Your quoting is all over the shop, but this:



An Aboriginal All-Stars match was first played in 1983 vs. Richmond in country Victoria, then again in 1994, vs. Collingwood in Darwin, and then every second year from 2003 vs. Carlton (2005 vs. Western Bulldogs, 2007 vs. Essendon, 2009 vs. Adelaide, and will be again in 2011; Aboriginal AFL players will have 13 more AFL clubs to play before they've played them all).

Darwin is the spiritual home of Indigenous football in Australia; very appropriate its played there and not on some tacky tourist strip backed by a failed(ing?) club boss.

It took the AFL a while to pick its All-Stars concept back up, i.e. 1983, 1994, 2003..., but in the meantime the league led the way for sport in Australia in regards to player welfare, even if some recalcitrants took their time to.

As for support, it gets decent crowds, Marrara is always packed out and after 2011, it may move to Alice Springs, another centre where Aboriginal football flourishes. Expect that to be well supported too.

Educate yourself a little:
http://www.sportingpulse.com/assoc_page.cgi?c=1-5545-0-0-0&sID=77314
Point taken. I simply chose to point out to redheadedstepchild that his claim that rugby league is a "racist" sport (with Aboriginal people in particular) is laughable. Seems to me that rugby league is exactly the opposite. Re: the All-Stars games against individual clubs, be honest; will there EVER be a best of Aboriginal players VS Best of AFL players game? Given the well known disposition of past players to make themselves unavailable for rep footy leading to the demise of State of Origin I doubt there'd be clubs not prepared to release their stars for a game similar to the one we saw in Robina in 2010.

And how is Michael Searle a failing/failed club boss? He busted his arse from day one to get the Gold Coast back in to the competition when they initially got the heave ho at the end of 1998. Add to that the fact that he was the driving force behind the push for an independent commision to run rugby league and will gradually turn the Gold Coast Titans into a sporting powerhouse. He certainly won't be a failure when it comes to competing with the white elephant that is the AFL's Gold Coast franchise...even if they did count his son in annual participation rates for the one OzKick session he did with his school.

And FYI- there is a Northern Territory side competing in the Cyril Connell Cup which is a schoolboy rugby league competition in Queensland. It might be the epicentre of indigenous football but it's certainly an area that still has a lot of ground for both major codes to cover. In the case of having a team in CC Cup, it's an extra choice that Aboriginal kids have to apply athletic ability.

My family billeted a couple of Aboriginal kids who represented NT in an under 16s rugby union comp many, many years ago and they played all three (major) codes. It's not exclusively AFL territory, but it's not exclusively rugby league territory.
 
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Point taken. I simply chose to point out to redheadedstepchild that his claim that rugby league is a "racist" sport (with Aboriginal people in particular) is laughable. Seems to me that rugby league is exactly the opposite. Re: the All-Stars games against individual clubs, be honest; will there EVER be a best of Aboriginal players VS Best of AFL players game? Given the well known disposition of past players to make themselves unavailable for rep footy leading to the demise of State of Origin I doubt there'd be clubs not prepared to release their stars for a game similar to the one we saw in Robina in 2010.

And how is Michael Searle a failing/failed club boss? He busted his arse from day one to get the Gold Coast back in to the competition when they initially got the heave ho at the end of 1998. Add to that the fact that he was the driving force behind the push for an independent commision to run rugby league and will gradually turn the Gold Coast Titans into a sporting powerhouse. He certainly won't be a failure when it comes to competing with the white elephant that is the AFL's Gold Coast franchise...even if they did count his son in annual participation rates for the one OzKick session he did with his school.

And FYI- there is a Northern Territory side competing in the Cyril Connell Cup which is a schoolboy rugby league competition in Queensland. It might be the epicentre of indigenous football but it's certainly an area that still has a lot of ground for both major codes to cover. In the case of having a team in CC Cup, it's an extra choice that Aboriginal kids have to apply athletic ability.

My family billeted a couple of Aboriginal kids who represented NT in an under 16s rugby union comp many, many years ago and they played all three (major) codes. It's not exclusively AFL territory, but it's not exclusively rugby league territory.
Searle's up to his neck in keeping the Titans viable. Powerhouse? I'm not so sure....
 

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Point taken. I simply chose to point out to redheadedstepchild that his claim that rugby league is a "racist" sport (with Aboriginal people in particular) is laughable. Seems to me that rugby league is exactly the opposite. Re: the All-Stars games against individual clubs, be honest; will there EVER be a best of Aboriginal players VS Best of AFL players game? Given the well known disposition of past players to make themselves unavailable for rep footy leading to the demise of State of Origin I doubt there'd be clubs not prepared to release their stars for a game similar to the one we saw in Robina in 2010.

And how is Michael Searle a failing/failed club boss? He busted his arse from day one to get the Gold Coast back in to the competition when they initially got the heave ho at the end of 1998. Add to that the fact that he was the driving force behind the push for an independent commision to run rugby league and will gradually turn the Gold Coast Titans into a sporting powerhouse. He certainly won't be a failure when it comes to competing with the white elephant that is the AFL's Gold Coast franchise...even if they did count his son in annual participation rates for the one OzKick session he did with his school.

And FYI- there is a Northern Territory side competing in the Cyril Connell Cup which is a schoolboy rugby league competition in Queensland. It might be the epicentre of indigenous football but it's certainly an area that still has a lot of ground for both major codes to cover. In the case of having a team in CC Cup, it's an extra choice that Aboriginal kids have to apply athletic ability.

My family billeted a couple of Aboriginal kids who represented NT in an under 16s rugby union comp many, many years ago and they played all three (major) codes. It's not exclusively AFL territory, but it's not exclusively rugby league territory.
I was very clear it is NSW rugby league people that are the most backward in this country.

You ignored the point about why Fagan even bothers. List all the AFL historians who spends as much time trying to find holes in RL's history? You can't.

Reason: they are not scared. :rolleyes:

You even posting on an Aussie Rules website demonstrates fear.

Your comments about AFL's new Gold Coast team irrelevent in this context but also demonstrating fear.

When you peel back a layer of the BS and bravado from all of the RL posters on Bigfooty it reveals a deep fear manifesting itself as hatred of the AFL.

Something NSW RL people are all very good at, xenophobia is rampant.
 

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I was very clear it is NSW rugby league people that are the most backward in this country.

You ignored the point about why Fagan even bothers. List all the AFL historians who spends as much time trying to find holes in RL's history? You can't.

Reason: they are not scared. :rolleyes:

You even posting on an Aussie Rules website demonstrates fear.

Your comments about AFL's new Gold Coast team irrelevent in this context but also demonstrating fear.

When you peel back a layer of the BS and bravado from all of the RL posters on Bigfooty it reveals a deep fear manifesting itself as hatred of the AFL.

Something NSW RL people are all very good at, xenophobia is rampant.
You're not wrong there

http://www.bigfooty.com/forum/forumdisplay.php?f=239

:D

C'mon Redb, I agree that I think there are a lot of insecure RL fans and journalists up north but dont be a hypocrite.
 

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http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/ne...e-than-skin-deep/story-e6freuzr-1225881099761

Nathan Blacklock, the former league and union star, never heard a racist word when he went to England to play with Super League team Hull FC. The unpleasant reality is that he has only ever been vilified in Australia, by his fellow Australians.

"You see your parents go through it, you see the hurt they had," Blacklock said. "It's still out there. Because of what happened to your parents, it hurts you as well.

Blacklock said it's perverse. On the one hand, part of the lure of league was seeing indigenous players such as Greg Inglis, Preston Campbell and Chris Sandow. Yet on and off the field there were still comments about their race.

"When you get the racist calls it hurts because it's directed at you, to degrade you," Blacklock said.

Despite racist comments this week from Aussie Rules relic Mal "The Mouth" Brown, Blacklock believes the AFL has become a better home for indigenous sportsmen because it values them more. "That's why there are so many Aboriginal players in the AFL," Blacklock said.

Spin that one Sean Fagan.
 

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from the same article...

"Essendon player Nathan Lovett-Murray said thanks to Long, he was never vilified on the field. "He stood up in the AFL, 15 years ago, in the same way Tahu is doing now. Rugby league seems to be 15 years behind the AFL in how it treats indigenous people."
 

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You're not wrong there

http://www.bigfooty.com/forum/forumdisplay.php?f=239

:D

C'mon Redb, I agree that I think there are a lot of insecure RL fans and journalists up north but dont be a hypocrite.
What part did you not understand when I said that NSW RL people are the most backward and insular.

Stick to the point and prove me wrong. Oh that's right you agreed. :rolleyes:

Again, the link you have posted is on an Aussie Rules website about Aussie Rules issues re WC antipathy between the codes and fans.
 
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