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What part did you not understand when I said that NSW RL people are the most backward and insular.

Stick to the point and prove me wrong. Oh that's right you agreed. :rolleyes:

Again, the link you have posted is on an Aussie Rules website about Aussie Rules issues re WC antipathy between the codes and fans.
Have you read some of the posts on that link? A lot of them have nothing to do with the bid or the WC and how it affects the AFL and does it really matter whether its on an aussie rules website or not? Just like how some of those league fans bag AFL on LU, a rugby league site. Does it really matter? Fear is fear.

NSW rl people are probably the most backward and insular but NSW is probably the only state(along with QLD) where all footy codes actually have a strong presence. (I think someones brought this up before in another thread). Swans and Waratahs actually get good crowds in particular when they do well. Soccer in the most participated sport in NSW by a big margin too compared to other states and obviously league is huge.
Paronoia and code war stuff exists in NSW coz all footy codes actually have a presence.

I was just making the point when there's competition down there against AFL. AFL fans can get paronoid and protective of their code too.
 

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Have you read some of the posts on that link? A lot of them have nothing to do with the bid or the WC and how it affects the AFL and does it really matter whether its on an aussie rules website or not? Just like how some of those league fans bag AFL on LU, a rugby league site. Does it really matter? Fear is fear.

NSW rl people are probably the most backward and insular but NSW is probably the only state(along with QLD) where all footy codes actually have a strong presence. (I think someones brought this up before in another thread). Swans and Waratahs actually get good crowds in particular when they do well. Soccer in the most participated sport in NSW by a big margin too compared to other states and obviously league is huge.
Paronoia and code war stuff exists in NSW coz all footy codes actually have a presence.

I was just making the point when there's competition down there against AFL. AFL fans can get paronoid and protective of their code too.
Stop!

Your getting off track bringing in other arguments and debates without addressing the point. Most of that AFL v soccer stuff, which I note you contribute as well (as I have done), gets muddied by tit for tat sledges either way and goes beyond the arguments over the WC. These issues have been bubbling underneath both codes for years.

However, let's be very clear, there are far more fans that like both AFL and soccer than those who don't and argue against each other.

What is a rugby league historian doing spending his time attacking the history of another code?

What is the point?

What lies underneath is a deep seated fear of the AFL - the Australian game. By attacking the fundamentals of its origins and now game play, Fagan shows fear and is trying to influence his syphocants to follow suit and further entrench a bigotry towards the AFL in NSW.

But, the kids dont read his tripe nor do they care when they attend an Auskick clinic. :footy:

We as Australian football lovers have every right to pillor his pathetic efforts. That a Sydney media outlet chooses to give him a voice just further demonstrates the intended audience will lap this up. That is it will appeal to the insular backward mob in NSW RL quarters. :rolleyes:
 

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Stop!

Your getting off track bringing in other arguments and debates without addressing the point. Most of that AFL v soccer stuff, which I note you contribute as well (as I have done), gets muddied by tit for tat sledges either way and goes beyond the arguments over the WC. These issues have been bubbling underneath both codes for years.

However, let's be very clear, there are far more fans that like both AFL and soccer than those who don't and argue against each other.

What is a rugby league historian doing spending his time attacking the history of another code?

What is the point?

What lies underneath is a deep seated fear of the AFL - the Australian game. By attacking the fundamentals of its origins and now game play, Fagan shows fear and is trying to influence his syphocants to follow suit and further entrench a bigotry towards the AFL in NSW.

But, the kids dont read his tripe nor do they care when they attend an Auskick clinic. :footy:

We as Australian football lovers have every right to pillor his pathetic efforts. That a Sydney media outlet chooses to give him a voice just further demonstrates the intended audience will lap this up. That is it will appeal to the insular backward mob in NSW RL quarters. :rolleyes:
"I said that NSW RL people are the most backward and insular."

I was responding to that comment and I dont even think I disagreed with you so I dont know why your getting worked up.:D I was trying to make you understand why nsw rl people are insular and brought in afl vs soccer as an example. Im sure most afl fans support both but when there's competition or a sense that your code is under attack (like it has over the world cup bid), you cant deny afl fans can get protective and paronoid too. When you live in a state like NSW, where all footy codes are big, the competition is always there against Rugby league therefore you get more paranoia up north. Do you understand what Im saying now?
Im not getting off track. Im just responding to what you said.

Btw I have only posted a couple of times on the afl vs soccer threads. One in support of the bid and the other to post a link of Qatar's awesome world cup bid but I havent bashed either code while Ive been in there.
 

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"I said that NSW RL people are the most backward and insular."

I was responding to that comment and I dont even think I disagreed with you so I dont know why your getting worked up.:D I was trying to make you understand why nsw rl people are insular and brought in afl vs soccer as an example. Im sure most afl fans support both but when there's competition or a sense that your code is under attack (like it has over the world cup bid), you cant deny afl fans can get protective and paronoid too. When you live in a state like NSW, where all footy codes are big, the competition is always there against Rugby league therefore you get more paranoia up north. Do you understand what Im saying now?
Im not getting off track. Im just responding to what you said.

Btw I have only posted a couple of times on the afl vs soccer threads. One in support of the bid and the other to post a link of Qatar's awesome world cup bid but I havent bashed either code while Ive been in there.
My main point is unearthing the need for a so called Rl historian to take so many potshots at a rival game. Just how many times does he feel the need to dig up some 'artefact' from this countries sporting DNA to deride our native game. Ahh... buts that's the point init. :footy:

As the link below demonstrates:

http://parramatta-advertiser.wherei...ry/auburn-tigers-is-afls-western-sydney-hope/

This does not happen in reverse. :rolleyes:
 

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That fagan character is your typical RL Unlimited Vic hating neanderthal. But that's OK.

What I dislike is that he calls himself a historian. That he is not - as I've came across previous ludicrous claims he's made about the Australian Game (for which he tries, but fails, to disguise his paranoia). Look at the claims he makes in this bizarre article - that bouncng the ball was used to stop plyers from running - but is now innefective. WRONG.

It was brought in to limit fast runners (especially champion athlete and footballer A.K.A Harrison) from running the length of the field with the ball (like in rugby), by making it harder (but not impossible) to run with the ball.

Anyone that has played the game knows that running AND bouncing is harder than just plain running - and still slows a player, even at elite level. How often in a game do we see any more than 3 bounces in a run. Rarely. So Fagan has this completely wrong.

His second point - that punching the ball was devised simply as a method to circumvent the ban on throwing - but today handballing is as easy as throwing - also WRONG. A two year old can throw a ball - but not even most 6 year olds can deliver a handball. Its a skill to execute it effectively under pressure - that's why under great pressure (e.g. getting slung in a tackle) every weekend some players get pinged for throwing - as it is quicker and easier than a handball. Again, Fagan (who has certainly never played Australian Football, or demonstated even a rudimentary understanding thereof), displays his ignorance (or his agenda).

As a so-called historian, he should stick strictly to the News Ltd code. It's just possible he may know a couple of things about that code. Maybe he can tell us what happened to the scrum?
Spot on.

The contrast in difficulty factor between Franklin's run and goal (Ess v hawks) and Inglis's try on the weekend paramount. Once Inglis was clear all he had to do was tuck the ball under his arm and run and fall over a try line 40+ metres wide, Franklin's effort bouncing the ball 2-3 times whilst running flat out and then nailing a goal from an acute angle , daylight in comparison.

Which sport evolved to attain higher skills? Australian football by a mile.

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I was very clear it is NSW rugby league people that are the most backward in this country.

You ignored the point about why Fagan even bothers. List all the AFL historians who spends as much time trying to find holes in RL's history? You can't.

Reason: they are not scared. :rolleyes:

You even posting on an Aussie Rules website demonstrates fear.

Your comments about AFL's new Gold Coast team irrelevent in this context but also demonstrating fear.

When you peel back a layer of the BS and bravado from all of the RL posters on Bigfooty it reveals a deep fear manifesting itself as hatred of the AFL.

Something NSW RL people are all very good at, xenophobia is rampant.
HAHAHA! Me posting here demonstrates fear?! The fact that some goon started a thread bagging out Sean Fagan is evidence enough to suggest that a lot of AFL fans are also "fearful". It also supports my claim that everyone in AFL, from the fans, right through the media up to administration are the most insular, easily offended bunch of girls with sand in their vaginas to ever walk the earth. The minute anyone says anything negative about the game or doesn't give it the kudos the fans feel it deserves, or promotes anything that is in opposition to them they spit the dummy. 2 excellent points spring to mind

* In 2008 the City of Melbourne put up banners near AFL house to promote the rugby league world cup game between the Kangaroos and England and the AFL made them take it down.

*Some months ago the AFL complained that the ARL Development Foundation had set up a junior sign up day in Blacktown a matter of kilometres from their stadium. Western Sydney is and always has been rugby league territory. The fact that the AFL are coming to the area with a warchest to try and win the area over is pretty amusing when they want to complain about the ARL doing what they would normally be doing regardless of an AFL presence; encouraging local kids to play the code most familiar to locals in the area. The AFL have all the legwork to do.

As for the media; again see my point about Offsiders, Caro and Borubon Bec Wilson, Damian Barrett, Patrick Smith et al. Whenever something blows up in rugby league that mob are all over it and are so quick to compare AFL and RL culture, policy etc so forth. Rugby league is a rival code which has minimal chance of ever really dominating southern/western markets but the reality is that it offers so much more than just a club competition which is really all the AFL has to hang it's hat on. Origin, City Country, International football, The Dreamtime Game and The World Club Challenge are all mainstays of rugby league. Again, despite being minimal or zero threat AFL scribes are ready to jump on board and give it to rugby league over just about anything with Origin III 2009 being the best example. AFL can only dream about offering up a spectacle that matches state of Origin rugby league so they bag it out because 2 big men of equal size and ability had a set to. Even Vlad Demitrispew weighed into it with "oh, we don't have that in our game". Yeah sure... but you do have it in that lame International Rules series where you ARE allowed to dish out cheap shots to poor Irish amateurs who have to go back to work when they get home from tour. I didn't hear anyone complaining about "thuggery" then.

Further to the protective "secret society" that is the AFL media; how about the poor girl who Brendan Fevola allegedly behaved inappropriately towards at the Brownlow last year. Wasn't she hesitant to make a complaint because she's afraid of how she's be viewed and it might hurt her career?

And here, my friend is the biggest example of just how truely insular the AFL community are.

http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/get-your-hands-off-our-name/story-e6frf9if-1225846164142

Add to that the fact that you have coppers bullying each other over dropping a rape charge against Saints players and I think it just goes to show how protective the AFL fraternity really are about looking after each other.

So in short, you're a deadset hypocrite for pointing the finger at rugby league and calling us "xenophobic" etc so forth. The AFL cheersquad are just as bad if not worse!
 

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I think the problem ol' Faggy has is there simply isn't much to write about in rugby league. It's so one dimensional there is only so much you can write about in the history annals of the game.

Biff ? - bit of that helps.

What about some of Roy Masters old coaching methods, bit of group shenigans to bond the group, maybe Faggy could spin a story from his own experience in this culture.

Message to Faggy: rugby league historians should stick to their own sport, anything else is just disingenous transparent code war spin, ya spud. :rolleyes:
 
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HAHAHA! Me posting here demonstrates fear?! The fact that some goon started a thread bagging out Sean Fagan is evidence enough to suggest that a lot of AFL fans are also "fearful". It also supports my claim that everyone in AFL, from the fans, right through the media up to administration are the most insular, easily offended bunch of girls with sand in their vaginas to ever walk the earth. The minute anyone says anything negative about the game or doesn't give it the kudos the fans feel it deserves, or promotes anything that is in opposition to them they spit the dummy. 2 excellent points spring to mind

* In 2008 the City of Melbourne put up banners near AFL house to promote the rugby league world cup game between the Kangaroos and England and the AFL made them take it down.

*Some months ago the AFL complained that the ARL Development Foundation had set up a junior sign up day in Blacktown a matter of kilometres from their stadium. Western Sydney is and always has been rugby league territory. The fact that the AFL are coming to the area with a warchest to try and win the area over is pretty amusing when they want to complain about the ARL doing what they would normally be doing regardless of an AFL presence; encouraging local kids to play the code most familiar to locals in the area. The AFL have all the legwork to do.

As for the media; again see my point about Offsiders, Caro and Borubon Bec Wilson, Damian Barrett, Patrick Smith et al. Whenever something blows up in rugby league that mob are all over it and are so quick to compare AFL and RL culture, policy etc so forth. Rugby league is a rival code which has minimal chance of ever really dominating southern/western markets but the reality is that it offers so much more than just a club competition which is really all the AFL has to hang it's hat on. Origin, City Country, International football, The Dreamtime Game and The World Club Challenge are all mainstays of rugby league. Again, despite being minimal or zero threat AFL scribes are ready to jump on board and give it to rugby league over just about anything with Origin III 2009 being the best example. AFL can only dream about offering up a spectacle that matches state of Origin rugby league so they bag it out because 2 big men of equal size and ability had a set to. Even Vlad Demitrispew weighed into it with "oh, we don't have that in our game". Yeah sure... but you do have it in that lame International Rules series where you ARE allowed to dish out cheap shots to poor Irish amateurs who have to go back to work when they get home from tour. I didn't hear anyone complaining about "thuggery" then.

Further to the protective "secret society" that is the AFL media; how about the poor girl who Brendan Fevola allegedly behaved inappropriately towards at the Brownlow last year. Wasn't she hesitant to make a complaint because she's afraid of how she's be viewed and it might hurt her career?

And here, my friend is the biggest example of just how truely insular the AFL community are.

http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/get-your-hands-off-our-name/story-e6frf9if-1225846164142

Add to that the fact that you have coppers bullying each other over dropping a rape charge against Saints players and I think it just goes to show how protective the AFL fraternity really are about looking after each other.

So in short, you're a deadset hypocrite for pointing the finger at rugby league and calling us "xenophobic" etc so forth. The AFL cheersquad are just as bad if not worse!
Could you please say hi the other inmates at LU? Cheers :D
 

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you certainly seem to be paying alot of attention to the AFL there buddy. why is that?

tell me why are there so many rugby league fans absolutely shitting themselves in fear of the AFL

your very obviously one of them. so whats the deal?
HAHAHA! Me posting here demonstrates fear?! The fact that some goon started a thread bagging out Sean Fagan is evidence enough to suggest that a lot of AFL fans are also "fearful".
a shitscared "historian" feels the need to publish a load of biased bullshit in a sydney paper

OH MY GOD! HOW WILL AUSSIE RULES EVER RECOVER???

please dont come and kill our sport! its on its last legs you know.
 

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