Player Watch Isaac Quaynor

[jackcass]

Nah. He'll be a gun.

Will play next year 100%. My guess is as soon as Round 1.

He's either having an outstanding preseason then or we've got a few injuries as I currently can't see how he'd be ahead of Howe, Crisp, Maynard, Langdon, Appleby for those small-medium defender spots. Even Tyler Brown has runs on the board at VFL level and should be ahead of him.

 

[Saintly Viewed]

I'd be stunned if Quaynor won RS from this list Lukosious, B.King, M.King, Rankine, Walsh, Rozzee etc. There is going to be some absolute stand out games from some of these young guys. I think Quaynor can definitely get a nomination but as for winning the whole thing? doubtful.

Ian Hill is another who will likely get a RS nod in his first few years so long as he puts in the work, moves like a young Wells (but less consistent ball winner likely due to work ethic).

You’ve really nailed this.

As a rule, a highly credentialled junior wins the RS Award. First they are highly rated for a reason, they’re in the best group of their junior year.

With that comes a bit of hype, good will and that’s enough to allow the boomlet to succeed.

I’m with you IQ is not win and if he did it would be a (big) surprise.

 

[jackcass]

I'd be stunned if Quaynor won RS from this list Lukosious, B.King, M.King, Rankine, Walsh, Rozzee etc. There is going to be some absolute stand out games from some of these young guys. I think Quaynor can definitely get a nomination but as for winning the whole thing? doubtful.

Ian Hill is another who will likely get a RS nod in his first few years so long as he puts in the work, moves like a young Wells (but less consistent ball winner likely due to work ethic).

Me to. And that's without even considering the 2nd & 3rd year players who are still eligible.

 

[loki04]

Really? Isn't that dependent upon the type, how accountable they really play? While IQ definitely appears to have the rebound traits, he's apparently 1st and foremost a lock down defender. I'd rate Neville Jetta 1 of the better lock-down small defenders, averages about 12 disposals an 150 meters gained. Nick Smith another, about 15 disposal & 150 meters gained. Seems IQ is averaging around that 15-16 disposals but still manages to lock down and achieve much greater meters gained than these guys.

That most is meant to say mostly. Also did you read through the post or see first line and stop reading?

Every defender gets goals kicked on them.

And it also depends on your role he compares his game to JJ from dogs who defensively is average but is an offensive weapon off HB.

Clubs will take a small hit to leak a few goals if your creating as much as a JJ at his best.

Going off your reply I take it you missed all that...

 

[jackcass]

That most is meant to say mostly. Also did you read through the post or see first line and stop reading?

Going off your reply I take it you missed all that...

Yeah, got all that but your opening gambit was just so far off the mark that it deserved special attention. The old "you know..." statement of fact while suggesting some level of ignorance will do that. Sorry I didn't guess you might have meant to write/suggest something different.

 

[sr36]

You’ve really nailed this.

As a rule, a highly credentialled junior wins the RS Award. First they are highly rated for a reason, they’re in the best group of their junior year.

With that comes a bit of hype, good will and that’s enough to allow the boomlet to succeed.

I’m with you IQ is not win and if he did it would be a (big) surprise.

Historically, approximately a third of the RS Winners have been picked outside of the top 10. So for a Pick 11 to win it wouldn't really buck any trends at all.

 

[loki04]

Yeah, got all that but your opening gambit was just so far off the mark that it deserved special attention. The old "you know..." statement of fact while suggesting some level of ignorance will do that. Sorry I didn't guess you might have meant to write/suggest something different.

It wasn't anywhere near off the mark the best offensive HBF generally stop their opponent's and get decent numbers but they also may not be as water tight as a pure lock down def small the offset being they set up many scoring thrusts...

Also you know this discussion revolves around Ed Richards vs hoping IQ can match in performance yeah? and then further his type which he says his role and how he aims to play is similar to JJ and not a pure lock down type.

He just says he likes to be defensive minded whilst doing the offensive stuff.

 

[sr36]

It wasn't anywhere near off the mark the best offensive HBF generally stop their opponent's and get decent numbers but they also may not be as water tight as a pure lock down def small the offset being they set up many scoring thrusts...

Also you know this discussion revolves around Ed Richards vs hoping IQ can match in performance yeah? and then further his type which he says his role and how he aims to play is similar to JJ and not a pure lock down type.

He just says he likes to be defensive minded whilst doing the offensive stuff.

Does he actually say this or did someone else simply compare him to JJ?

 

[loki04]

Does he actually say this or did someone else simply compare him to JJ?

He said it.

 

[Lockyer24]

Looks fantastic on the track!

 

[left at home]

I think Isaac is a much smarter ball user then H, but gets it less and imo doesn't provide the same run and carry as H did at his peak. Isaac backs his foot skills in to move the ball on rather then be like HL who would sprint into trouble take on 3 players before blind bombing. Isaac from the little i have seen is much more composed well at least at u18 speed.

I agree with you, l just don’t see him as anything like H, but l think his skills and vision are so much better with ball in hand.
As you said he needs to get his amount of disposals up to the mid twenties on a consistent basis, but it will take a little bit of time to get there.

 

[Cousin of Daicos]

He's either having an outstanding preseason then or we've got a few injuries as I currently can't see how he'd be ahead of Howe, Crisp, Maynard, Langdon, Appleby for those small-medium defender spots. Even Tyler Brown has runs on the board at VFL level and should be ahead of him.

Or he's just super talented and has a body ready for senior football already?

Crisp could easily be moved up to a wing at the very least, particularly if Phillips loses his spot. Or Mayne or Greenwood.

 

[jackcass]

It wasn't anywhere near off the mark the best offensive HBF generally stop their opponent's and get decent numbers but they also may not be as water tight as a pure lock down def small the offset being they set up many scoring thrusts...

Up until I retired a few years back, I modelled my basketball game on Michael Jordan, but then I'd wake up and realise I was nothing like him.

Up until this year, IQ was widely discussed as a lock down defender who could play tall or small, could offer some rebound. That rebound apparently improved this year but it still doesn't make him like JJ just because he's modelled his game on him. Nor does it then make it reasonable to compare against those unaccountable rebounding types when that just doesn't seem representative of his game. Gary Buckenara dismissed the JJ comparison and stated he plays more like Ben Stratton.

Also you know this discussion revolves around Ed Richards vs hoping IQ can match in performance yeah? and then further his type which he says his role and how he aims to play is similar to JJ and not a pure lock down type.

I also think you're overstating Richards "production". He only averaged about 14 disposals and a 200 meters gained. He's another that brings both lock down and rebound elements. Appleby, who plays a more lock down role averaged about 12-13 disposals in year 1 so I don't doubt IQ can achieve similar low-mid teen disposal numbers if he gets a chance this year.

He just says he likes to be defensive minded whilst doing the offensive stuff.

Everything I've read about him suggests he still has that defensive predisposition first and foremost, so it's hardly surprising it would be front of mind when he does decide to take the game on.

 

[CFC2010]

Looks fantastic on the track!

Look at Daics and Browny in awe of Sir Isaac.

 

[jackcass]

Or he's just super talented and has a body ready for senior football already?

Crisp could easily be moved up to a wing at the very least, particularly if Phillips loses his spot. Or Mayne or Greenwood.

If he was that super talented he'd have been entrenched in top 10 discussions.

I realise it's all hypothetical but I just can't see the merits of unsettling what worked so well in 2018 (Crisp, Howe, Langdon, Maynard) to accommodate a kid who may not even be ready. If he has a blinder of a preseason then you could maybe add him to the discussion around that 7th defender of the I/C, competing with Appleby and T Brown types, but he's unlikely to squeeze the core 4 unless they're late starters due to injury or have recovery setbacks.

 

[sr36]

If he was that super talented he'd have been entrenched in top 10 discussions.

I realise it's all hypothetical but I just can't see the merits of unsettling what worked so well in 2018 (Crisp, Howe, Langdon, Maynard) to accommodate a kid who may not even be ready. If he has a blinder of a preseason then you could maybe add him to the discussion around that 7th defender of the I/C, competing with Appleby and T Brown types, but he's unlikely to squeeze the core 4 unless they're late starters due to injury or have recovery setbacks.

We could pencil him in to replace Aish, but hopefully Howe will replace Aish with Moore taking over Howe's KPD duties. Unless we have preseason injuries, he's likely to start in the Reserves, but at some stage a spot will open up and if he's playing well in the reserves he'll get a chance.

He looks great, so I'm looking forward to seeing him out there.

 

[jackcass]

We could pencil him in to replace Aish, but hopefully Howe will replace Aish with Moore taking over Howe's KPD duties. Unless we have preseason injuries, he's likely to start in the Reserves, but at some stage a spot will open up and if he's playing well in the reserves he'll get a chance.

He looks great, so I'm looking forward to seeing him out there.

Agree, think both IQ and R2 appear like they could slot in if/when required. Stephenson got his chance because preferred options like Elliott, Fasolo and Wells weren't available. Until those opportunities arise, they'll learn their craft at VFL level.

 

[35Daicos]

Here's what a Fox Sports article has to say about our draftees chances of making an early impression: COLLINGWOOD

With ample dash, a ready-made body and haircut that will quickly capture the imagination of Pies fans, gun academy recruit Isaac Quaynor will be a very strong Round 1 chance, even though he’s coming into a club that made the grand final last year. Quaynor’s one-on-one-strength, as well as his ability to provide drive out of defence, should prove immediately beneficial for the Pies. Father-son pick and key-position defender Will Kelly is probably a fair way behind Quaynor in terms of early game chances, but expect him to get a gig at some stage in 2019. Atu Bosenavulagi will be eased in via the VFL.

https://www.foxsports.com.au/afl/af...t/news-story/e3fd82f4520540ffb412b22cfedaa4a1

 

[jackcass]

Here's what a Fox Sports article has to say about our draftees chances of making an early impression: COLLINGWOOD

With ample dash, a ready-made body and haircut that will quickly capture the imagination of Pies fans, gun academy recruit Isaac Quaynor will be a very strong Round 1 chance, even though he’s coming into a club that made the grand final last year. Quaynor’s one-on-one-strength, as well as his ability to provide drive out of defence, should prove immediately beneficial for the Pies. Father-son pick and key-position defender Will Kelly is probably a fair way behind Quaynor in terms of early game chances, but expect him to get a gig at some stage in 2019. Atu Bosenavulagi will be eased in via the VFL.

https://www.foxsports.com.au/afl/af...t/news-story/e3fd82f4520540ffb412b22cfedaa4a1

It's funny isn't it. I don't see Atu as any less ready to play R1 than IQ. Doesn't seem that dissimilar to a player like Jack Higgins who played 20 odd games year 1. Much of that will be dictated by opportunity though so it'll be interesting to watch through the preseason. I personally don't expect any of our draftees to be contending early.

 

[Buckley is my hero]

He's either having an outstanding preseason then or we've got a few injuries as I currently can't see how he'd be ahead of Howe, Crisp, Maynard, Langdon, Appleby for those small-medium defender spots. Even Tyler Brown has runs on the board at VFL level and should be ahead of him.

Even in his first training session he's a much better player than Tyler Brown. Obviously he won't push out any of the other players you named, but since Murray got a game when the other players were playing in the side, there's no reason to think that Quaynor can't get into the senior side either. It depends on how well he trains between now and the first game next year, avoiding injuries and who is available to pick for the first game.

 

[Buckley is my hero]

We could pencil him in to replace Aish, but hopefully Howe will replace Aish with Moore taking over Howe's KPD duties. Unless we have preseason injuries, he's likely to start in the Reserves, but at some stage a spot will open up and if he's playing well in the reserves he'll get a chance.

He looks great, so I'm looking forward to seeing him out there.

The two who appear to me to be a bit shaky are Aish and Greenwood who didn't have great games in the GF. The other 20 players pick themselves for the first game if they aren't injured. So for me it's two places up for grabs with Moore, Elliot, Wells and Reid the obvious ones to come into the side unless Aish and Greenwood can fight them off with good preseason form. Quaynor won't find it as easy as Stephenson did in getting a game in the first round this season. Basically it comes down to opportunity when it presents itself.

 

[Soups]

I put money on JS to win the rising star right after he got drafted. Maybe I should do the same with IQ.

 

[Horaceg]

It's funny isn't it. I don't see Atu as any less ready to play R1 than IQ. Doesn't seem that dissimilar to a player like Jack Higgins who played 20 odd games year 1. Much of that will be dictated by opportunity though so it'll be interesting to watch through the preseason. I personally don't expect any of our draftees to be contending early.

They will most likely need to be banging down the door to get a game because a good year on the injury front is well past due. Touch wood

 

[Mark W]

He's either having an outstanding preseason then or we've got a few injuries as I currently can't see how he'd be ahead of Howe, Crisp, Maynard, Langdon, Appleby for those small-medium defender spots. Even Tyler Brown has runs on the board at VFL level and should be ahead of him.

He isn't ahead of Howe, Crisp, Maynard, Langdon, that is true. But Appleby? I think the recruitment of IQ is pretty bad news for Appleby, IQ has a much better all round game IMO. Appleby may have some potential as a lockdown negator but the rest of his game really needs some work. He contributes little offensively and his skills are reasonable at best. IQ on the other hand lockdown well but has lovely skills, hands that don't fumble, vision that spots a team mate in space and disposal skills that are very good. I will be pretty amazed if Appleby gets a game in front of IQ this year. I think its Aish, Mayne and Greenwood who IQ will be competing with for a spot next year

 

[Dead Eye Didak]

In an ideal world (of mine) Beams, Elliott, Moore and Quaynor come in at the expense of Phillips, Mayne, Greenwood and Langdon.

I would be playing Langdon round 1, Phillips is a notoriously good starter to a season, so he plays. Agree that Mayne and Greenwood could be vulnerable.