Contracted Isaac Smith [UFA in 2020]

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So the Dogs apparently want him at age 31.

Good player, but why?
 

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BJK#5

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So the Dogs apparently want him at age 31.

Good player, but why?
100% agree with you, it makes no sense. I really would be surprised if much came of this.

A player of his ability is easily worth a first round pick

A player of his age is not really worth a first round pick

With our current list position we really have no reason to move him on unless we were to receive a very good deal for him.

With the Dogs current list position they really have no reason to offer the Hawks that sort of deal for him.
 

Scotland

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Jordan Lewis 2.0?

Just doesn't really add up from either end though.
 

Tandy

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This thread has been a great read. Any team who is in the 'premiership window' should get him in.
 

Dogsman16

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Pretty bizarre. He’s worth more than what we offer and I have no idea why he would want to come to us.

Hopefully the rejects it and we can all move on. Would prefer him to be a one club player.
 

The Inbetweener

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If he even wants to come to us (which he has said he is happy at the Hawks) they could either trade him this year and get something or lose him the following year for no free agency compo. He will be 31. Carlton got no compo when Waite left as a 30 year old.

It’s the exact same reason we traded Lake to the Hawks when he still had a year on his contract. Better to trade now and get something rather than wait another year and get nothing when he is a free agent.

As I say though, he said he wants to stay at the Hawks so it probably doesn’t matter
 

BJK#5

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If he even wants to come to us (which he has said he is happy at the Hawks) they could either trade him this year and get something or lose him the following year for no free agency compo. He will be 31. Carlton got no compo when Waite left as a 30 year old.

It’s the exact same reason we traded Lake to the Hawks when he still had a year on his contract. Better to trade now and get something rather than wait another year and get nothing when he is a free agent.

As I say though, he said he wants to stay at the Hawks so it probably doesn’t matter
I disagree, i think we are better off getting another year of Smith at the Hawks unless we were compensated with something decent which i doubt the Dogs would offer. Getting a token late pick does nothing for us where as Smith next year could be the difference between making and missing 8 the or the 4 for example.
 

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The Hawks are the kings of the WTF trade so maybe this has legs.
 

HavUEvaSeenTheRain

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Maybe Hawthorn want to free up some more money and chase a younger Ellis or something. Does seem strange though.
 

The Inbetweener

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I disagree, i think we are better off getting another year of Smith at the Hawks unless we were compensated with something decent which i doubt the Dogs would offer. Getting a token late pick does nothing for us where as Smith next year could be the difference between making and missing 8 the or the 4 for example.
thats fair enough. As I say, he said he wants to say so probably irrelevant. More saying that it would fall somewhere in between what he is probably worth and what we would want to offer given his free agency status the following year.
 

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Don't get this at all. Hawks have spent draft picks on O'Meara and Mitchell to force open that flag window so why would they trade one of their best players when these mids are at their peak?
 

BJK#5

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Don't get this at all. Hawks have spent draft picks on O'Meara and Mitchell to force open that flag window so why would they trade one of their best players when these mids are at their peak?
Well the rumor was the Dogs wanted him, not that we were willing to trade him. Just as confusing though is why they are chasing a 31 year old that would have to cost them a decent amount of $$. Would think they would be better off looking elsewhere.
 

Timo pez

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Smith’s been trending downwards with form for more than a year. More output (at a lower price) from Hendo and Scully. Clarko acknowledged as much today. Great move if we can move some of his salary to dogs. Still can’t believe they wanted Duryea either
 

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Smith’s been trending downwards with form for more than a year. More output (at a lower price) from Hendo and Scully. Clarko acknowledged as much today. Great move if we can move some of his salary to dogs. Still can’t believe they wanted Duryea either
He's been down on form this year no doubt, but his 2018 was his best year of his career IMO, and easily better than 2017.
 

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Have word that His payments are needed for a forward from GWS not an on-baller

Dogs no he has 3 years in him and need experience with Picken, Roughead,and Morris retiring bye end off season.

Our leaders are all 22-24 years old.. smart move by Hawthorn

Hawthorn get cap space-WIN
Dogs Get Experience needed and outside run-WIN
Smith Gets 3 Year contract on overs-WIN
 

teddies

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Have word that His payments are needed for a forward from GWS not an on-baller

Dogs no he has 3 years in him and need experience with Picken, Roughead,and Morris retiring bye end off season.

Our leaders are all 22-24 years old.. smart move by Hawthorn

Hawthorn get cap space-WIN
Dogs Get Experience needed and outside run-WIN
Smith Gets 3 Year contract on overs-WIN
stop talking **** mate.
 

BJK#5

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Have word that His payments are needed for a forward from GWS not an on-baller

Dogs no he has 3 years in him and need experience with Picken, Roughead,and Morris retiring bye end off season.

Our leaders are all 22-24 years old.. smart move by Hawthorn

Hawthorn get cap space-WIN
Dogs Get Experience needed and outside run-WIN
Smith Gets 3 Year contract on overs-WIN
We need to dump cap space with Roughead and Birchall a very good chance to retire at the end of the year and with Poppy and Burgoyne a chance to also go? That is very hard to believe...
 

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We need to dump cap space with Roughead and Birchall a very good chance to retire at the end of the year and with Poppy and Burgoyne a chance to also go? That is very hard to believe...
I could see a cap squeeze if you guys picked up multiple players (i.e. if Cogs AND Patton happened) but otherwise, even just Roughead + Burgoyne should go a long way towards paying Cogs. Only way I see Smith leaving is if the Hawks need the cap space, which just seems like an unlikely scenario
 

Hawkan

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Going to be almost certainly losing Roughy, Birch and Burgoyne at the end of the season. Should be enough freed up cap space.
Burgoyne wants to go again in 2020. Me thinks he'll get that wish at this stage, barring any serious injuries/drop in performance.
 

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Burgoyne could play 400. Unlikely given it needs finals this year or next and not missing.
 
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