Politics Island Debate - how far will it go?

[Power Raid]

war will come but not over this

we will have to wait 8+ years for the real action. The only thing we can do is prepare for the inevitable and unlike pandering to germany we should not tolerate an expansionist china.

it is a shame mankind will repeat the mistakes of the past

 

[Sydney Bloods]

war will come but not over this

we will have to wait 8+ years for the real action. The only thing we can do is prepare for the inevitable and unlike pandering to germany we should not tolerate an expansionist china.

it is a shame mankind will repeat the mistakes of the past

China is great at getting westerners to defend them.

 

[Can Opener]

what other territorial disputes does china have?

 

[clogged]

what other territorial disputes does china have?

They have one with India.

Taiwan too.

 

[Power Raid]

what other territorial disputes does china have?

and mongolia and russia

 

[The_Reaper]

what other territorial disputes does china have?

Pretty much every country they have a border with or is in the South China Sea

 

[Power Raid]

what other territorial disputes does china have?

oh and vietnam and tajikistan and malaysia and brunei and the philippines

 

[Can Opener]

thanks guys its answered my thoughts on the matter, china being the common denominator says it all

 

[Sydney Bloods]

what other territorial disputes does china have?

Tibiet and burma

 

[Ford Fairlane]

There's not much love for Japan in the region either. South Korea and Japan are petty much in a shotgun wedding at the moment with the Reverend Uncle Sam. South Korea has a deep enmity toward Japan again going back to Japan's refusal to acknowledge its actions in the region in WW2.

But all of the Asian countries tend to self-regulate the region as none wants to see the others getting too expansionist in its ambitions.

 

[little graham]

Americans have been spending s**t loads of coin restraining China's economy. Japan is broke, screwed, poisoned, needs help badly and will do whatever America pressures her into. History says so after she got taught a lesson with ww2.

China? they know that America is faltering (Syria) waning and will play with Japs, slowly but surely pushing America into a direct confrontation like Putin did in Syria.

The consciousnesses is changing.

 

[Power Raid]

sorry little graham

How do you think this will pan out?

 

[Jakko]

Flying B52s over the area is a slap in the face of its own. Some nice big radar attracting planes, that no sane Chinese local air commander would dare engage or suggest what to do. The whole flight was probably more about mapping Chinese radar and detection systems as much as a show of solidarity to SK and Japan.

 

[Jakko]

I wonder where the Chinese Carrier is right now, the B52 sortie could have been designed to test the radar/detection system of that as well...two birds one stone.

 

[Sydney Bloods]

Doubt it the amount of retro fitting you'd have to, to get that data. Would be huge remember the flight was put on less then 24 hours after the no fly zone was put in place.

Not to mention the data would be largely useless because the speed and radar cross section of a B52 is so large the first civilian radar system's could detect it, better then the civilian aircraft they were trying to find.

It simply lacks the performance and capability to test the system, and being that these are navel vessels doing the scanning radar maps are useless because the radar source moves.

 

[The_Reaper]

Doubt it the amount of retro fitting you'd have to, to get that data. Would be huge remember the flight was put on less then 24 hours after the no fly zone was put in place.

Not to mention the data would be largely useless because the speed and radar cross section of a B52 is so large the first civilian radar system's could detect it, better then the civilian aircraft they were trying to find.

It simply lacks the performance and capability to test the system, and being that these are navel vessels doing the scanning radar maps are useless because the radar source moves.

Agreed. The B52s were simply there to prove a point.

 

[Jakko]

Werent they upgrading the B52s starting this year?

 

[Sydney Bloods]

Werent they upgrading the B52s starting this year?

B52 upgrade was an General overhaul to make them capable of long range nuclear strike. (due to problems with New long range bombers and price tag)

Its a modernisation yes,(and no confirmation it's started yet) but the only updates to the aircraft are the brakes, a computerised cockpit with all the do dad's to launch a nuclear missile and modern radar it doesn't change the fact the planes an antique (a bloody good antique) it simply doesn't have the performance to evade radar or find holes in the map it's too big and too slow. (there's a reason their Nick named Buff)

And it would be pretty *ed placing upgraded B 52's in range of China's forces when the whole point of the upgrade is to have long range bombers that can launch from the homeland.

The U.S fly over was deployed from Guam. Last I checked the only host force there was the 36th wing.

Which is pretty much just support and logistics, hell given Anderson's "significance" to the area it wouldn't surprise me if the B 52's stationed there were still fitted with the Pratt and Whitney's.

#nerd rant

 

[Power Raid]

How can you go to war if you equipment lacks a do dad?

I think in the "puss" (navy) they call a do dad a squinsen joey

 

[Geelong_Sicko]

Americans have been spending s**t loads of coin restraining China's economy. Japan is broke, screwed, poisoned, needs help badly and will do whatever America pressures her into. History says so after she got taught a lesson with ww2.

China? they know that America is faltering (Syria) waning and will play with Japs, slowly but surely pushing America into a direct confrontation like Putin did in Syria.

The consciousnesses is changing.

Truth be told I don't know why China is playing the game this way. Time will weaken the United States, and strengthen China's position. Economically, militarily, you name it and China stands to gain if it keeps to the 'long game'.

Globalisation increasingly means that international boundaries are getting to be rather 'old hat' and meaningless anyway. Multinationals exploit resources and move people these days, not nations.

 

[Sydney Bloods]

How can you go to war if you equipment lacks a do dad?

I think in the "puss" (navy) they call a do dad a squinsen joey

Of course they do, ******* fishheads.

 

[Sydney Bloods]

Truth be told I don't know why China is playing the game this way. Time will weaken the United States, and strengthen China's position. Economically, militarily, you name it and China stands to gain if it keeps to the 'long game'.

Globalisation increasingly means that international boundaries are getting to be rather 'old hat' and meaningless anyway. Multinationals exploit resources and move people these days, not nations.

Because the idiots that want all of China to be one giant military still hold a fair amount of sway, this appeases the "moderate" war hungry mob without pissing off those that want social reform.

You have to remember for all its progress China is still a backwards society, they only outlawed labor camps this year and it caused "controversy" seriously Chinese people were pissed off that they ended slavery in China.

 

[Power Raid]

Truth be told I don't know why China is playing the game this way. Time will weaken the United States, and strengthen China's position. Economically, militarily, you name it and China stands to gain if it keeps to the 'long game'.

Globalisation increasingly means that international boundaries are getting to be rather 'old hat' and meaningless anyway. Multinationals exploit resources and move people these days, not nations.

shop at locals, don't eat processed food, buy everything with cash and don't get insurance

are you part of the solution or contribute to the problem you highlight?

 

[Geelong_Sicko]

You have to remember for all its progress China is still a backwards society, they only outlawed labor camps this year and it caused "controversy" seriously Chinese people were pissed off that they ended slavery in China.

So in ending prison labour they've proved themselves more advanced than the United States?

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/12/10/prison-labor_n_2272036.html

The American government has been critical of China's forced-labour policies, but the United States has a burgeoning prison labour pool of its own...

...Prison labour is being harvested on a massive scale, according to professors Steve Fraser and Joshua B. Freeman.

"All told, nearly a million prisoners are now making office furniture, working in call centers, fabricating body armour, taking hotel reservations, working in slaughterhouses, or manufacturing textiles, shoes, and clothing, while getting paid somewhere between 93 cents and $4.73 per day," the professors write.

And some prisoners don't make a dime for their work, according to the Nation, which notes that many inmates in Racine, Wis(consin). are not paid for their work, but receive time off their sentences...

...One of Walmart's suppliers, Martori Farms, was the subject of an exposé by Truthout in which one female prisoner described her typical day working for the private company.

"Currently, we are forced to work in the blazing sun for eight hours. We run out of water several times a day. We ran out of sunscreen several times a week. They don't check medical backgrounds or ages before they pull women for these jobs. Many of us cannot do it! If we stop working and sit on the bus or even just take an unauthorized break, we get a major ticket which takes away our 'good time'..."

 

[Sydney Bloods]

So in ending prison labour they've proved themselves more advanced than the United States?

Progressive is the word your looking for and on that issue the answer is yes.