Mid East Israel declare war after Hamas attack II

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Will Australia also work with the international community to increase pressure on the Zionist Cancer to cease its destabilising actions? To cease meticulously and callously murdering aid workers? To cease indiscriminate bombing that has killed tens of thousands of civilians?
No Australia will support they’re allies which one is America by extension it means Australia will support Israel that must really grind your gears.
 
Saudi and Iran are against each other. US is on the Saudi side. So attacking Iran helps Saudi, which helps the US oil and military interests.
The US public are not supporting a war to help the Saudi's. They are not going to war to save Israel. Israel has no resources and they are acting like maniacs - they are a nice to have for the USA but totally dispensable.

Netanyahu needs to pull his head in.
 
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The US public are supporting a war to help the Saudi's. They are not going to war to save Israel. Israel has no resources and they are acting like maniacs - they are a nice to have for the USA but totally dispensable.

Netanyahu needs to pull his head in.
Israel is not dispensable to a massive section of US voters, whether Jewish or Christian. It's one thing to try and curb Israel's actions against Palestinians (which they could and should do more about, and it's probably politically beneficial for the current administration). But politically horrific if Israel were to be significantly harmed by Iran or others in an escalation, and the current administration was seen to do nothing / too little.
 
precisely!



then, just when you read that biden says the yanks won’t be a part of any iran retaliation you see this. and you think, yeah that’s the sort of deal the yanks would agree to.

 
Israel is not dispensable to a massive section of US voters, whether Jewish or Christian. It's one thing to try and curb Israel's actions against Palestinians (which they could and should do more about, and it's probably politically beneficial for the current administration). But politically horrific if Israel were to be significantly harmed by Iran or others in an escalation, and the current administration was seen to do nothing / too little.
in terms of christians, it's more the pseudo christians (ie fundies or rapture merchants) which trump attracts.
 
the lack of a social conscience (in some cases pure hatred) inculcated into these soldiers is palpable.



hopefully, it won’t work for the israeli apartheid regime either. it could be fixed post haste by the yanks separating themselves from israel. not only by words but action, the first being to cut off financial support for the ruthless, genocidal regime.

 
in terms of christians, it's more the pseudo christians (ie fundies or rapture merchants) which trump attracts.
As a former fundamentalist, evangelical Christian, yep I know. But even a lot of more moderate types will still feel a connection due to the Jews being the chosen people, Jesus being ethnically Jewish. Shared texts, or at least significant parts of texts etc.

Now a lot of those may not base their vote on support for Israel, but it's another factor.

Some of them, as well as many non religious voters (or those following other religions), will be put off more by the inaction over reigning Israel in. In purely political terms, since the topic was how dispensable Israel is, the best thing would be to halt munitions and equipment that is being used against Gaza, but continue to provide protection against external attacks e.g. warships, iron dome missiles etc.
 
No Australia will support they’re allies which one is America by extension it means Australia will support Israel that must really grind your gears.
It's not so much as grinding my gears personally as it is ignoring flagrant human rights abuses. One can EASILY "both sides" this and call out all the extremists but to ignore one side's abuses altogether?

Foreign policy wise, Australia is a spineless little maggot. That is all.
 
It's not so much as grinding my gears personally as it is ignoring flagrant human rights abuses. One can EASILY "both sides" this and call out all the extremists but to ignore one side's abuses altogether?

Foreign policy wise, Australia is a spineless little maggot. That is all.
The Australian government would have been better off just shutting their mouths on anything Israel / Palestine post October 1. Inconsistent, no empathy, morons.
 
they do it for the money. both grabbing resources (aka Syrian oil) and loading up the industrial complex with sales. I rekon one of the reasons why Ukraine is happening is to dump all their older equipment onto ukraine to allow for upgrades
LeoMessi Trouto see: some of the theory from (Italian) Fabio Vighi the Professor and critical theorist at an English redbrickuniversity like Birmingham

he posits theory this is built in / determined / runaway_train ....to debt-based fiat monetary system , MICIMATT military industrial congressional intelligence media academe think-tank complex have two vectors driving them

1 debt-based monetary system​
2 WarrenBuffett's Institution'al Imperative™ or BureaucraticImperative adjacent to FourthTurning_theory​
this goes for Netanyahu Qataris Hamas Persians Biden Sunak Albo Putin Zelinsky Xi


but less so for Putin and Xi
 
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The Australian government would have been better off just shutting their mouths on anything Israel / Palestine post October 1. Inconsistent, no empathy, morons.
Geelong Sicko Jello_B but Brown University in Rhode island estimated 4.5-6 million fatalities on the USUKAustralian excursions qua excursions in AfghanME last two decades , in comparison this ain't a rounding error Geelong_Sicko
 

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Geelong Sicko Jello_B but Brown University in Rhode island estimated 4.5-6 million fatalities on the USUKAustralian excursions qua excursions in AfghanME last two decades , in comparison this ain't a rounding error Geelong_Sicko
4.5 million deaths from a whole range of causes including deaths in countries US never went to and the overwhelming majority of war deaths caused by locals on foreign insurgents. Some horrible decisions and mistakes made but not all the deaths are on the Anglo nations.

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4.5 million deaths from a whole range of causes including deaths in countries US never went to and the overwhelming majority of war deaths caused by locals on foreign insurgents. Some horrible decisions and mistakes made but not all the deaths are on the Anglo nations.

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nope , they are on UKusAus us /pleonasm

twitter triangulated my Samsung5Gsurveillencephonebenthampanopticonsurveillance , w my post an hour ago

thnx Eric Schmidt you technocratic pudenda

cos the plural is much more mellifluous than the clunky singular


if you read #HerzlJabotinskyBenGurionBeginNetanyahuDayanMorrisShlaimPappe they have all put it on record but first Zionists are 18C english Protto[sic] religionists balfourwasanantisemite
 
nope , they are on UKusAus us /pleonasm

twitter triangulated my Samsung5Gsurveillencephonebenthampanopticonsurveillance , w my post an hour ago

thnx Eric Schmidt you technocratic pudenda

cos the plural is much more mellifluous than the clunky singular


if you read #HerzlJabotinskyBenGurionBeginNetanyahuDayanMorrisShlaimPappe they have all put it on record but first Zionists are 18C english Protto[sic] religionists balfourwasanantisemite
ugh, that article is depressing - to me its like they are controlling society like they are playing a computer game, with no empathy or sympathy, all unaccountable.
 
Geelong Sicko Jello_B but Brown University in Rhode island estimated 4.5-6 million fatalities on the USUKAustralian excursions qua excursions in AfghanME last two decades , in comparison this ain't a rounding error Geelong_Sicko
Hi there blackcat, long time no jibber. Hope you’re well.
We are beacons of light when we stand on a pedestal, pity the pedestal is freshfruitforrottenvegetables
 
Alistair Crooke was British attache in Oslo negotiations

estimates are Netanyahu was 1.3billion in the can to shoot at 300 drone sortie(s) ^ which I believe i utter above were a cosplay not designed to cause gross fatality , crooke here echoes my sentiment , I missed my calling as international grand strategist , w Kissinger gone , there is a vacancy I can fill innit

if the Persians have the Russians on their side Bibi flirts w fatal roulette
the wedge herein lies wrt Bibi domestic woes
¹legal personal
²Ben-Gavir and Smoltret farfar far-right members of his cabinet
³political antagonism of Likud his party w balance of power

ps.
⁴American ChristianZionist and diasporaZionists pushing him with political funds

this is^ what I mean re:determined / vectors in alinement , no verified pushback nor avenue to detente

cherf: solid contribution blackcat
blackcat: thanks cherf , unlike you to give me credit 🤣


 
An interesting look at one of the Iranian missile strikes. It looks like it was changing its trajectory shortly before impact. The caption lays the praise on a bit thick, but the footage itself is worth a look.


* asterisk publicised known .f.e.a.t.u.r.e. of #hypersonic tech
but remember first casualty of war ...

can we discern actual fact from propaganda

always thought Bibi's secondary aim is to Beta-test and legitimise action / new protocol in laws-of-war for Washington ,

^ above , remember when DJT assassinates Persian general Sulemani , their retaletory strike to US Base™ came with a warning and time scheduled so Americans may extricate forces from target and zero fatalities

This is how the strike back to Israel occurs , like Sydney Harbour bridge 2000 NYE fireworks , not intended to make victims , yeah I know they threw in a few ICBM's and JDAMs for good measure ,

the real victims are the mom's and grandmom's scared witless while Bibi and Tehran play with their joysticks

blackcat: 'yeah cherf , I know , another good post , do you wish for me to continue a running commentary'
 
It looks like it was changing its trajectory shortly before impact. The caption lays the praise on a bit thick, but the footage itself is worth a look.
Then again a fin might have broken off.
 
precisely!



then, just when you read that biden says the yanks won’t be a part of any iran retaliation you see this. and you think, yeah that’s the sort of deal the yanks would agree to.


It is time for the USA to put their big boy pants on and tell Netanyahu to **** off.
  • No to conflict with Iran
  • No to green light in Rafa
  • No codes for the IDF F35's for a week to remind Netanyahu who is actually running this show
 
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