Israel, Palestine, and everything related

[Number37]

How nice of you to change tack and write about the arabs in Israel in order to completely ignore, ONCE AGAIN, the brutality that Israel inflicts on the Palestinians in Palestine.

Oh but Hamas is bad...
& Arabs never had it so good...
& if terrorist didn't fire rockets...

Excuse after excuse. Just like Israel.

None of which can hide the fact that Israel continues on its merry way brutalising the Palestinians all in the name of "protecting" Israel.

No doubt in a few months the Israeli army will really need to "protect" their people by once again invading Palestine, blowing to smithereens anything that the Palestinians have rebuilt since the last "Israel is protecting its citizens by blowing up Palestinians" offensive.
As long as the Israeli's are safe who gives a hoot about how the Palestinians live, they come from the same country as Hamas after all.

And just to be sure, if anybody wants to provide aid to the Palestinians they better get Israel's approval or Israel will be left with no choice but to look after the safety of Israeli citizens by blowing up an aid flotilla or killing an activist or 2, just to be sure that Israeli's are safe... I mean who really knows what untold harm an activist bringing medical supplies and food to the Palestinians could cause for Israeli citizens.

 

[The Edukator]

Who is more hospitable to whom:
Israeli to Arab in Israel or Arab to Israeli in gaza/wb.

Answer that.

 

[strauchnyy]

How nice of you to change tack and write about the arabs in Israel in order to completely ignore, ONCE AGAIN, the brutality that Israel inflicts on the Palestinians in Palestine.

Oh but Hamas is bad...
& Arabs never had it so good...
& if terrorist didn't fire rockets...

Excuse after excuse. Just like Israel.

None of which can hide the fact that Israel continues on its merry way brutalising the Palestinians all in the name of "protecting" Israel.

No doubt in a few months the Israeli army will really need to "protect" their people by once again invading Palestine, blowing to smithereens anything that the Palestinians have rebuilt since the last "Israel is protecting its citizens by blowing up Palestinians" offensive.
As long as the Israeli's are safe who gives a hoot about how the Palestinians live, they come from the same country as Hamas after all.

And just to be sure, if anybody wants to provide aid to the Palestinians they better get Israel's approval or Israel will be left with no choice but to look after the safety of Israeli citizens by blowing up an aid flotilla or killing an activist or 2, just to be sure that Israeli's are safe... I mean who really knows what untold harm an activist bringing medical supplies and food to the Palestinians could cause for Israeli citizens.

Amongst ignoring all my questions, and dismissing all the facts, you keep mentioning "Palestine". Where is this "Palestine"? When did a "Palestine" exist?

Maybe Israel should let Hamas run free? thatd be like flying over Isis to run free in Melbourne. I'm sure you'd be fine with that.

In all honesty, if you can't see how Israel needs to protect its citizens, just give up. You just arnt knowledgable enough to have a proper discussion. It's like talking calculus to a 6 year old. You just don't get it.

What you fail to understand (or maybe your just a terrorist sympathiser) is that if Hamas fire rockets over and over again from a building that are aimed at women and children, the natural response, in any country on earth is to stop the rocket attacks. What do you want Israel to do here?

 

[strauchnyy]

Who is more hospitable to whom:
Israeli to Arab in Israel or Arab to Israeli in gaza/wb.

Answer that.

He won't. He's either got no idea whatsoever or he's a supporter of terrorism. Muslim Arab = good, Israeli/Jew = bad in his warped view. Like trying to talk to a tree.

 

[Present Not Past]

Amongst ignoring all my questions, and dismissing all the facts, you keep mentioning "Palestine". Where is this "Palestine"? When did a "Palestine" exist?

Maybe Israel should let Hamas run free? thatd be like flying over Isis to run free in Melbourne. I'm sure you'd be fine with that.

In all honesty, if you can't see how Israel needs to protect its citizens, just give up. You just arnt knowledgable enough to have a proper discussion. It's like talking calculus to a 6 year old. You just don't get it.

What you fail to understand (or maybe your just a terrorist sympathiser) is that if Hamas fire rockets over and over again from a building that are aimed at women and children, the natural response, in any country on earth is to stop the rocket attacks. What do you want Israel to do here?

The earliest recorded history of Palestine existing was 1020 BC.

 

[Present Not Past]

Amongst ignoring all my questions, and dismissing all the facts, you keep mentioning "Palestine". Where is this "Palestine"? When did a "Palestine" exist?

Maybe Israel should let Hamas run free? thatd be like flying over Isis to run free in Melbourne. I'm sure you'd be fine with that.

In all honesty, if you can't see how Israel needs to protect its citizens, just give up. You just arnt knowledgable enough to have a proper discussion. It's like talking calculus to a 6 year old. You just don't get it.

What you fail to understand (or maybe your just a terrorist sympathiser) is that if Hamas fire rockets over and over again from a building that are aimed at women and children, the natural response, in any country on earth is to stop the rocket attacks. What do you want Israel to do here?

I think the point is more that the Palestinians want to live in a free and independent country.

 

[Present Not Past]

In all honesty, if you can't see how Israel needs to protect its citizens, just give up. You just arnt knowledgable enough to have a proper discussion. It's like talking calculus to a 6 year old. You just don't get it.

Like how the IDF protects it's citizens by expanding the borders of Israel?

 

[strauchnyy]

The earliest recorded history of Palestine existing was 1020 BC.

Sure there are recordings, but what was there before Israel? British mandate. Before that? Ottoman Empire. Never been a sovereign country of Palestine, well in the modern world. The area is Israel.

 

[Number37]

Amongst ignoring all my questions, and dismissing all the facts, you keep mentioning "Palestine". Where is this "Palestine"? When did a "Palestine" exist?

Maybe Israel should let Hamas run free? thatd be like flying over Isis to run free in Melbourne. I'm sure you'd be fine with that.

In all honesty, if you can't see how Israel needs to protect its citizens, just give up. You just arnt knowledgable enough to have a proper discussion. It's like talking calculus to a 6 year old. You just don't get it.

What you fail to understand (or maybe your just a terrorist sympathiser) is that if Hamas fire rockets over and over again from a building that are aimed at women and children, the natural response, in any country on earth is to stop the rocket attacks. What do you want Israel to do here?

Palestine doesn't exist so Israel aren't really hurting anyone. Really? You really think that is a sensible argument?
Would explain why Israel threw the toys out of the cot when the rest of world decided to recognise Palestine as a state.

And yes of course I must be a terrorist sympathiser...Just like that aid flotilla that got stormed by the IDF all guns blazing.
No doubt you will say the activists were armed bla bla bla...well using Israel logic, what are they suppsed to do, not defend themselves against terrorists who illegally boarded their ship?

If Hamas was in Melbourne...
What you accept as okay if the government punished all Victorians by not allowing any medical supplies into Vic, or limiting what and how much food is taken into Vic?
Would you say it is okay to kill innocent civilians in Richmond because Hamas is hiding out somewhere in Richmond?

Your only argument is the rockets, the rockets because you have nothing else.
If the rockets stopped, Israel would continue to brutalise the Palestinians because it has nothing to do with the rockets.
Israel wants all the land to itself. That is the end game. By hook or by crook the Israeli's will attempt to achieve their objective.

 

[strauchnyy]

I think the point is more that the Palestinians want to live in a free and independent country.

Side by side with Israel though? The polls indicate they do not.

http://mobile.reuters.com/article/idUSKCN0RL1DF20150921

Also, 67% support random stabbing attacks of Israelis. That is utterly concerning. 2/3s of Palestinians support murder.

http://www.timesofisrael.com/poll-23-of-palestinians-back-stabbing-attacks-armed-uprising/

So majority are against living in a country side by side with Israel and most want to kill Israelis. This is the reason Israel cannot just give land out of goodwill to a people driven to kill them. It is the stumbling block to any peace. Any peace talks must begin with this immovable term: that Israel has a right to exist and to stop trying to murder Israelis. Only then can talks come. Otherwise Israel puts its civilians at risk and has no reason to give land for a 2 state solution.

 

[Present Not Past]

Sure there are recordings, but what was there before Israel? British mandate. Before that? Ottoman Empire. Never been a sovereign country of Palestine, well in the modern world. The area is Israel.

That's a ridiculous argument. Just because a country is enslaved by the Romans, the Ottoman Empire or the British Empire doesn't mean it didn't exist.

 

[Number37]

He won't. He's either got no idea whatsoever or he's a supporter of terrorism. Muslim Arab = good, Israeli/Jew = bad in his warped view. Like trying to talk to a tree.

What a simpleton argument.
Shows your true colours.
The only thing I have expressed is my empathy for the plight of the Palestinians.
To you that means that I support terrorism and all the other rubbish which conveniently allows you to condone all things Israel, because the rockets, the rockets.
You clearly don't give a s**t about the Palestinians. You clearly think it is justified to punish all Palestinians.
Upwards of 30 UN resolutions have condemned what Israel is doing and has done to the Palestinians.
Again, conveniently for you the UN is corrupt. That AGAIN, allows you to deflect deflect deflect without having to show a skeric of empathy for the Palestinians.
According to you the Palestinians are all guilty because Hamas.

You are entitled to your one eyed view of Israel, but you are not on any moral high ground, your complete contempt for anything Palestinian is quite sad.
You have a f*cked up view of the world if you think it is ok for innocent people to be the victims of state sanctioned brutality.
You are a massive hypocrite because the same thing you condone when Israel does it you rail against if the Palestinians do it.

 

[Present Not Past]

So majority are against living in a country side by side with Israel and most want to kill Israelis. This is the reason Israel cannot just give land out of goodwill to a people driven to kill them. It is the stumbling block to any peace. Any peace talks must begin with this immovable term: that Israel has a right to exist and to stop trying to murder Israelis. Only then can talks come. Otherwise Israel puts its civilians at risk and has no reason to give land for a 2 state solution.

The stumbling block has always been, and will always be, Israels refusal to allow Palestine to be recognised as a legitimate country.

 

[Lemma]

Oh look who it is. It's our "partner for peace".

"Mahmoud Abbas Claims Rabbis Urged Israel to Poison Palestinians’ Water"
http://www.nytimes.com/2016/06/24/w...israel-to-poison-palestinians-water.html?_r=0

What a pathetic excuse for a human

 

[Number37]

Who is more hospitable to whom:
Israeli to Arab in Israel or Arab to Israeli in gaza/wb.

Answer that.

Great logic.

Arabs aren't hospitable to Israeli in gaza therefore all that Israel does is ok.

You are having a laugh.

 

[strauchnyy]

Palestine doesn't exist so Israel aren't really hurting anyone. Really? You really think that is a sensible argument?
Would explain why Israel threw the toys out of the cot when the rest of world decided to recognise Palestine as a state.

And yes of course I must be a terrorist sympathiser...Just like that aid flotilla that got stormed by the IDF all guns blazing.
No doubt you will say the activists were armed bla bla bla...well using Israel logic, what are they suppsed to do, not defend themselves against terrorists who illegally boarded their ship?

If Hamas was in Melbourne...
What you accept as okay if the government punished all Victorians by not allowing any medical supplies into Vic, or limiting what and how much food is taken into Vic?
Would you say it is okay to kill innocent civilians in Richmond because Hamas is hiding out somewhere in Richmond?

Your only argument is the rockets, the rockets because you have nothing else.
If the rockets stopped, Israel would continue to brutalise the Palestinians because it has nothing to do with the rockets.
Israel wants all the land to itself. That is the end game. By hook or by crook the Israeli's will attempt to achieve their objective.

If that was Israels objective, Gaza would be flattened in minutes. Your example is also wrong, it would be like melbournians causing thousands of attacks on innocent people, suicide bombings, standings, kidnappings on a daily basis. In an attempt to protect innocent civilians, security would go around Melbourne. Aid would continue but the melbournians leaders would confiscate it, starve their own population and use money and aid to build tunnels outside the wall to continue above terror.

You keep forgetting Israels world standards in sending warnings via text, leaflets etc to minimise civilian casualties. No army in the world goes to these prevention measures. None.

I'm sorry mate, but your warped view is wrong, without fact and you continue to refrain from using logic and reason to a problem. Instead you have a narrow view and are incapable of seeing it from Israels perspective.

Answer this: Hamas shoot rocket at Israeli civilian residential area. Again and again. Israel warns, Hamas continue. Hamas are fully aware that shooting rockets will draw Israeli response yet they continue to put their own (Palestinian) civilians in danger. The entire Israeli town is in and out of bomb shelters as the rockets continue. You're Israel. What do you do? Do you let the rockets fall on your civilians heads?

If rockets get a response from Israel yet they continue to shoot them from a civilian area in gaza, on purpose. Do these actions by Hamas impact on Palestinian casualties? Yes or no?

 

[strauchnyy]

Great logic.

Arabs aren't hospitable to Israeli in gaza therefore all that Israel does is ok.

You are having a laugh.

Number37s logic: Palestinians are allowed to stab Israeli women and children because the country of Israel exists.

You're a cracker mate!

 

[Present Not Past]

Number37s logic: Palestinians are allowed to stab Israeli women and children because the country of Israel exists.

You're a cracker mate!

Israeli militiamen are allowed to shoot and kill Palestinian children for throwing stones because they aren't Israelis and Palestine is not a recognised country anymore.

 

[Number37]

If that was Israels objective, Gaza would be flattened in minutes. Your example is also wrong, it would be like melbournians causing thousands of attacks on innocent people, suicide bombings, standings, kidnappings on a daily basis. In an attempt to protect innocent civilians, security would go around Melbourne. Aid would continue but the melbournians leaders would confiscate it, starve their own population and use money and aid to build tunnels outside the wall to continue above terror.

You keep forgetting Israels world standards in sending warnings via text, leaflets etc to minimise civilian casualties. No army in the world goes to these prevention measures. None.

I'm sorry mate, but your warped view is wrong, without fact and you continue to refrain from using logic and reason to a problem. Instead you have a narrow view and are incapable of seeing it from Israels perspective.

Answer this: Hamas shoot rocket at Israeli civilian residential area. Again and again. Israel warns, Hamas continue. Hamas are fully aware that shooting rockets will draw Israeli response yet they continue to put their own (Palestinian) civilians in danger. The entire Israeli town is in and out of bomb shelters as the rockets continue. You're Israel. What do you do? Do you let the rockets fall on your civilians heads?

If rockets get a response from Israel yet they continue to shoot them from a civilian area in gaza, on purpose. Do these actions by Hamas impact on Palestinian casualties? Yes or no?

OH thank god the Israeli's send out leaflets, how kind of them.
Are you effing serious?

You are dreaming if you think Israel can just waltz in and flatten gaza.
They want to, but they can't.
Next best thing is to do it incrementally. That is exactly what Israel is doing.

You can keep making excuse after excuse after excuse.
There is no excuse for killing innocent people.
I don't give a hoot what Hamas does.
To you what Hamas does justifies what Israel does. To me there is no justification for killing innocent people. Not EVER. That includes Hamas, Israel and anyone else that does it.
There is simply no excuse no matter how much bullshit you want to write.

 

[Number37]

Number37s logic: Palestinians are allowed to stab Israeli women and children because the country of Israel exists.

You're a cracker mate!

Run out of arguments have we?

Why don't you just stick with the tried and true...the rockets, the rockets...instead of embarrassing yourself.

 

[strauchnyy]

The stumbling block has always been, and will always be, Israels refusal to allow Palestine to be recognised as a legitimate country.

Kind of hard to carve out a piece of your own country to a people whose primary goal is to wipe you off the earth. Last time Israel gave land (the first time any land has been given to a Palestinian leadership to rule) was gaza and look how that turned out.

No. The first step in every road to peace starts with the Palestinians wanting to live side by side with Israel. There can be no further step until this is done.

 

[Number37]

Israeli militiamen are allowed to shoot and kill Palestinian children for throwing stones because they aren't Israelis and Palestine is not a recognised country anymore.

Palestine is not a real country so the Israeli settlements are all good.

 

[Present Not Past]

If that was Israels objective, Gaza would be flattened in minutes.

That's right. Israel is prepared to flatten in minutes thousands of innocent men, women and children in minutes - but boy do they hate the hamas rockets

 

[Present Not Past]

Kind of hard to carve out a piece of your own country to a people whose primary goal is to wipe you off the earth. Last time Israel gave land (the first time any land has been given to a Palestinian leadership to rule) was gaza and look how that turned out.

No. The first step in every road to peace starts with the Palestinians wanting to live side by side with Israel. There can be no further step until this is done.

Really? How much does Israel want to live in peace with the Palestinians though?
How about Israel lives side by side with the nation of Palestine?

 

[The Edukator]

Great logic.

Arabs aren't hospitable to Israeli in gaza therefore all that Israel does is ok.

You are having a laugh.

I'm not trying to make that point so please answer the question.