Autopsy Its a wrap for 2023 Richmond by 13

[Grand Uncle Horace]

You’d be surprised but it was an ex-player that tossed this little tidbit out. Hasn’t played recently…..so could well be scuttlebutt.

I disagree with your view on his presence however - I think they've looked hopelessly disrupted every time he’s played this year.

bizarre and I don’t believe it for a moment.

Our crowds have been pretty good whether Bud played or not. That the media is only interested in Franklin is their problem.

I cannot believe the AFL would try to influence selection. Tho they may have reminded Norf of their responsibility to the game and it’s image over the Thomas issue.

 

[Grand Uncle Horace]

Gould

Also increased risk on TMac. Rampe probably shouldn't be in the equation over whether we draft one either.

Doubt Gould counts as a KPD.

Hmmn right re TMac. Personally I am happy with Rampe. Was in great form before his injury.

 

[Bloods86]

Doubt Gould counts as a KPD.

Hmmn right re TMac. Personally I am happy with Rampe. Was in great form before his injury.

We count him as one.

I'm just saying that with Melican and Arnold we have 6 KPDs next year. TMac and Melican have injury concerns. Francis, Arnold and Edwards are not proven although I think the former 2 can possibly get there soonish. I think we carry an extra 1 or 2 until we know the longer term for Tom and whether the unknown 3 can make it. Rampe might push someone out next year, but shouldn't be a factor over drafting a KPD.

If we were to get HH or Naughton that would also suffice given they can play back. HH would be primarily back I assume anyway.

 

[Heeney2Franklin]

There is a possibility the Swans have been ‘instructed’ by the AFL to play Buddy….even if Horse thinks he’s disrupting the game plan.

I think the AFL see a need to ‘maintain the profile’ as its his last year- I just can’t see why Horse would keep picking such an obviously out of form player.

That is really out there.

REALLY out there lol.

 

[Bloods86]

That is really out there.

REALLY out there lol.

Yeah, if the AFL really cared about Buddy's profile they wouldn't have hobbled his new club soon after joining.

 

[Grand Uncle Horace]

We count him as one.

I'm just saying that with Melican and Arnold we have 6 KPDs next year. TMac and Melican have injury concerns. Francis, Arnold and Edwards are not proven although I think the former 2 can possibly get there soonish. I think we carry an extra 1 or 2 until we know the longer term for Tom and whether the unknown 3 can make it. Rampe might push someone out next year, but shouldn't be a factor over drafting a KPD.

If we were to get HH or Naughton that would also suffice given they can play back. HH would be primarily back I assume anyway.

haha I think we are mostly in furious agreement. I am optimistic about Arnold and Edwards.

Arnold could get a run this year and I reckon Edwards by this time next year will be putting his name forward.

 

[Parky79]

We are missing Paddy M kicking ability. Very good for a KPD

 

[Punts]

What’s with the last quarters this season

Does this team have any grit at all

Promise land miles off imo

 

[Millky95]

What’s with the last quarters this season

Does this team have any grit at all

Promise land miles off imo

Not fit enough or mentally strong enough imo

 

[Punts]

Not fit enough or mentally strong enough imo

It’s s**t signs to be honestly for this up coming dynasty

 

[Grand Uncle Horace]

Not fit enough or mentally strong enough imo

We play Q4 with defence drilled in, all dare mostly expunged and fear of inevitable defeat in the eyes of the players.

 

[wilsonmatic]

Why did bud try to do a stevie j kick with his final set shot? With the wet footy it was never a good idea.. Should have drop punted it, and he scored a goal earlier from a similar position. Just stupid.

 

[Superstar swan]

Why did bud try to do a stevie j kick with his final set shot? With the wet footy it was never a good idea.. Should have drop punted it, and he scored a goal earlier from a similar position. Just stupid.

Confidence is absolutely shot

 

[Maddo11]

Can someone provide evidence of the "54% of entries were directed to bud" stat? I mean, it's maybe possible if they count every 40m high 20m long parker hack bomb into the f50 that everyone and their dog ends up in a pack underneath but theres no way we deliberately targeted buddy 26 times from 49 entries

 

[Bandicoot]

Care factor 0
Blakey Horrific
Cunningham Horrific
Francis Decent
Franklin still our best forward

Nank killed Hickey, Dusty to stronk

Worse we just lost Smith

Heaven bloody help us if Franklin is still our best forward.

 

[Swans22]

I have been saying this for ages. He has a preconceived way he wants players to play. He never changes his plan to fit the talent at hand. He moulds the talent to the plan which doesn't always work. I think if we retain him for much longer we will start to lose players. I think Logan is very unhappy, hence a 1 year extension. If things do not change by the end of next year expect to see Logan go west. he won't be the only one. There are several contracts up for grabs at the end of the season and as yet no movement. Wicks, McLean, Melican, Rankin, McAndrew, Hall-Khan, Gould & Stephens all come up this year. Gould and Stephens will probably be delisted and go back to SA where either Port or crows will pick them up and make good players out of them.
Gulden, Cunningham, Rowbottom, Florent, Fox & Hayward are contracted until the end of 2024. If they do not see a premiership looming we lose the lot, except Errol & Harry.

I think these players important; Wicks, McLean, McAndrew, Gulden, Rowbottom, Florent, Fox, Rankin & Hayward. I want to explore the natural game of each and see if this is the way they are being used.

Hayward; As a junior Will was a one on pone specialist who kicked many goals. He kicked 9 goals in an U18 prelim and 4.1 out of 8 goals. What sort of player was the younger Hayward and why did we draft him? Well, he was a one on one specialist forward pocket/FF. He could take that special mark and if given enough room he could destroy a side, as he proved in the 2016 Prelim. his ability to get free if the other forwards created space was uncanny. His one on one marking skills are superb.

How do we use him? As a defensive forward on players like Nick Haynes. Is this the best use for him? No way. create a little space for him and he kicks a bag. Same with Heeney. are we getting the best out of him? No. I think with the better use he could be an absolute super star. Should stay but if we do not hit a premiership window soon, Crows will come calling

Rankin; He has been playing very well in the reserves but has not been given a chance. Did not look out of place in his first game, in the very few minutes he played. now that lloyd is out it's time to see what Rankin can do before a Victorian team snatches him up. But we need to look at a new contract if he plays a few good AFL games.

Rowbottom; Longmire might just have been told by some of his assistants to stop misusing Rowie as a tagger and let him play footy. Because lately that is exactly what he has been doing. Playing great in and under footy. Should stay.

McLean: He has been used exactly as he should be. He has improved 100 fold. He must be a sponge because all the ruck lessons have been learned well from Coxy. I am now starting to doubt he will stay because he has not signed yet. His management started negotiations in late June.

Melican: I doubt Lewis will be offered a new contract. There don't seem to be any negotiations.

McAndrew; I don't think we can afford to lose him. He needs to get a new contract ASAP.

Gould; What sort of player did we draft? He is a Medium/Tall defender. His style was as an intercept mark and run on player. He kept medium/3rd talls very quiet as well as getting plenty of ball against them and often going all the way from Fb to the goal at the other end with good penetrating run.
how did we play him? As a lockdown defender. He had to learn to do this as he is not a natural lockdown player. he has also had to play taller than he is in the VFl due to an obvious lack of talls. He has played Fullback, definitely not his bnatural position. We have changed the shape of his game so much it is not recognisable from the type he played at Glenelg so successfully. In other words I think we have totally stuffed what may have been a very good talent. He will be delisted and picked up by Port as a Rookie

Hall-Khan; A lively small forward who can kick goals. He burst into the VFL last year. But again, we get a very smart small forward and then stick him on a wing or half back. What? He kicks goals. Leave him forward. Probably be delisted

Stephens; Give him a go in the mids. He is not a bad winger but is having a dog of a second season. But obviously his papers are stamped. He will go back to Adelaide and star for the Crows.

Florent; I still would like to see him moving through the mids. He is so damaging if he gets the tap out on the run. I think with McAndrew's ability to pinpoint taps he could be a huge weapon. Needs a long term contract. Clubs are already sniffing.

Fox; he will play to the end of next year. I prefer him back and Ollie to the mids. Why this was not made to happen on the weekend is mindboggling when we were getting flogged at the clearances. At one stage in the last there were two fast Tigers and three slow Swans. Yuk.

Gulden; Stays. Should be added to the leadership group.

Cunningham; Harry is not having a bad season even if he had a dog of a match against Richmond. His jovb was to keep players far faster than him quiet and was not up to that task. Last contract.

do you have a man on the inside at the club? His can you assume that the swans aren’t currently in contract discussions with Melican? He is arguably in career best form - has taken the oppositions number 1 the last 2 weeks. Surely we are in discussions and placing a new contract in front of him.
Florent is a great offensive defender. Like Blakey he has found his best position.
To say we will lose that list of players if we don’t win a flag is highly assumptive and pessimistic!
Some interesting observations nonetheless

 

[SuperMal]

bizarre and I don’t believe it for a moment.

Our crowds have been pretty good whether Bud played or not. That the media is only interested in Franklin is their problem.

I cannot believe the AFL would try to influence selection. Tho they may have reminded Norf of their responsibility to the game and it’s image over the Thomas issue.

Fwiw I’m sceptical also - but I’m struggling for a reason for his selection.

I know Horse rates his professionalism - but the fwd line finally got its mojo back 2 weeks ago….and then fell in a hole last night

 

[SuperMal]

That is really out there.

REALLY out there lol.

I got it from a gun ex-forward, in Victoria, whats more.

 

[SuperMal]

Yeah, if the AFL really cared about Buddy's profile they wouldn't have hobbled his new club soon after joining.

I did think about that - but it could be the AFL sees selecting Bud, now it’s almost over, as ‘part of the punishment’.

 

[Deccas]

I think you miss the point re McDonald. What sort of player do you think he is? Well, I know he is not a pack mark player. What is he doing in packs with McLean, a pack mark, and what is Bud doing in the same pack? I know because it was bombed to Bud, who happened to be with McLean and McDonald on many occasions when the ball was bombed, nearly all day. McDonald is a lead up or one on one player not a pack mark. McCartin is a pack mark player. So is McLean. Bud is not. Amartey can but prefers to lead or go one on one. But McDonald is definitely NO pack mark and should not even be in the packs.

I understand that that sort of thing is his strength, but it's not like he did that either. But nonetheless he's a key tall, he needs to hit a pack and bring the ball to ground from time to time, particularly when he's not able to play to his lead up strengths.

I'm not laying the loss at his feet, he didn't have a great game though.

 

[bloodsbigot]

I did think about that - but it could be the AFL sees selecting Bud, now it’s almost over, as ‘part of the punishment’.

Kinda like umpires giving lots of dead time free kicks to make the free kick count not seem so lopsided.

 

[SuperMal]

Kinda like umpires giving lots of dead time free kicks to make the free kick count not seem so lopsided.

You said that..I can’t and won’t comment!

 

[SuperMal]

Kinda like umpires giving lots of dead time free kicks to make the free kick count not seem so lopsided.

I will say this - I can imagine very easily, those few corrupt AFL committee members thinking - “The Swans made their bed, we’ll make sure they lie in it”.

Otherwise…explain the selection process, I can’t?

 

[Superstar swan]

Fair chance we are bottom 4 at the end of the round. At least the boys are trying. Can't be too hard on him. Horse is doing his best aswell. The main thing is everyone has fun.

 

[kickthething]

Bloke at full back for Tigers from Albury.

From North Albury to taking on Buddy: Rookie Tiger's wild journey - From North Albury to taking on Buddy: Rookie Tiger's wild journey

Played at Bundoora as well in the NFNL