Conspiracy Theory It's coming. COVID vaccine required for entry to games

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Power Raid said:
Perhaps just give the vaccine to the vulnerable and those dying anyway. Then once trials are completed to normal standard, then give it to the healthy.........those not at risk to covid anyway.
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It sounds like good ole Boris volunteered Britain to be the guinea pigs, but it could take years for all the safety data to become obvious. Which is standard really, or used to be.

So why the rush? Many thousands of Drs and specialists from many countries are saying there are safe and effective treatments when given early that can prevent complication and deaths. It could disappear tomorrow, if the PCR tests were set to a replication of 25.
 
BlueE said:
It sounds like good ole Boris volunteered Britain to be the guinea pigs, but it could take years for all the safety data to become obvious. Which is standard really, or used to be.

So why the rush? Many thousands of Drs and specialists from many countries are saying there are safe and effective treatments when given early that can prevent complication and deaths. It could disappear tomorrow, if the PCR tests were set to a replication of 25.
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my punt is this will go away in a similar manner to MERS, SARS and every other serious corona virus within 18 to 36 months of first appearing.

I'm pro vax but I won't be rushing out for a vax for something rushed, especially if history is a guide.
 
BlueE said:
it could take years for all the safety data to become obvious
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Have a listen. Only 9 minutes:

www.bbc.co.uk

BBC Radio 4 - More or Less: Behind the Stats, Vaccines: how safe and who gets it?

Is it too soon to approve a vaccine for use? Plus choosing who goes first.
www.bbc.co.uk www.bbc.co.uk

20,000 test subjects over X months. In the past the big side effects with any vaccine have taken about 6 weeks to become apparent.

It won't pick up the million-to-one side effects, but you can't test a vaccine on everyone. At that point you've given everyone the vaccine anyway.

Is fertility an issue for people 50+ if it saves their lives?
 
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Chief said:
Have a listen. Only 9 minutes:

www.bbc.co.uk

BBC Radio 4 - More or Less: Behind the Stats, Vaccines: how safe and who gets it?

Is it too soon to approve a vaccine for use? Plus choosing who goes first.
www.bbc.co.uk www.bbc.co.uk

20,000 test subjects over X months. In the past the big side effects with any vaccine have taken about 6 weeks to become apparent.

It won't pick up the million-to-one side effects, but you can't test a vaccine on everyone. At that point you've given everyone the vaccine anyway.

Is fertility an issue for people 50+ if it saves their lives?
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Nothing like the dulcet tones of the BBC to lull the population into a false sense of security. Do you have evidence of 20,000 test subjects over any months? I'd like to read it, because the BBC interview said the problem is that not only 20,000 or 30,000 is too little, but no safety results have been published for peer review so science by press release again and based on hundreds not thousands of results. The Phase 3 tests are supposed to be published late Nov, early Dec so have you seen them?

The Pfizer and Moderna are mRNA vaccines which have never been approved before, because of their poor safety record. The success % reported in media only involved success in producing antibodies. None of the studies were designed to see if the vaccinated, with some producing antibodies, were protected against CV 19 or if anyone could catch the virus from them when they were vaccinated.

Other immunity studies showed recovering from naturally getting CV 19, antibodies only lasted around 3 months. But the most important factor in immunity was memory T cells with 40-60% of the population having crossover immunity from SARS CoV1, 4 common cold corona viruses, OC43, HKU1, NL63 and 229E, and MERS. These memory T cells were found to be present 17 years after outbreak of SARS CoV 1 in 2003.

No animal trials were done in the Pfizer vaccine, reports on ferret, mice and primate trials that were done with vaccine trials in SARS CoV 1 which became worse with deaths and serious complications and no human trials of the vaccine were started. The formation of so-called “non-neutralizing antibodies” can lead to an exaggerated immune reaction, especially when the test person is confronted with the real, “wild” virus after vaccination, which is one of the problems experts are warning about with the current vaccines not being properly tested on animals and against CV 19 with the vaccinated group.

Astra Zeneca had primate animal trials that successfully produced antibodies in all 8, but then all of the primates became infected with CV 19 when exposed, even though they had these antibodies. Serious safety concerns stopped the Phase 3 trials, but they were resumed in England with paralysis and MS attributed to being possibly caused by the vaccine. There were 13 serious side effected reported out of 1500 Phase 1/2, 2/3 reported so far.

How many over 60s or 70s or 80s were included in the trials? All immunocompromised subjects were excluded. Why give to over 80s, 90s and clinically extremely vulnerable individuals, when none of these are in the test groups, unless they're just Guinea pigs like the examples given below? So these older people don't have to worry about becoming infertile but with a mRNA vaccine never safely developed there are many side effects, not just possible infertility!

if this was really about saving lives, giving safe and effective medicines would be used. There have been over 6000 case studies and RCT's from Raoult in France to Zelenski, Risch and Cardilo in America with HCQ +Zn + antibiotics curing 95% or more when used early. Invermectin + Zn + antibiotic promoted by Australian Professor Brody and recent study in Argentina in prophylaxis trial formally reported. Of 788 health care workers who took 12mg Ivermectin/week + carrageenan nasal spray 4 x/day -- ZERO caught covid over 3 months. ZERO! vs 58% of control HCWs infected.

BBC say side effects of previous vaccines like narcolepsy for H1N1, Guillane Barr from flu and deaths from polio were found within 6 weeks but those vaccines were continued for years before they were stopped because of the side effects.

The much too short duration of the study does not allow a realistic estimation of the late effects. As in the narcolepsy cases after the swine flu vaccination, which was linked to non coding RNA gene, millions of healthy people would be exposed to an unacceptable risk if an emergency approval were to be granted and the possibility of observing the late effects of the vaccination were to follow.

The mRNA vaccines from BioNTech/Pfizer contain polyethylene glycol (PEG). 70% of people develop antibodies against this substance – this means that many people can develop allergic, potentially fatal reactions to the vaccination.

Indian Dr's blame Bill Gates for his polio vaccine for causing a devastating vaccine strain polio epidemic that paralyzed 496,000 children between 2000 and 2017. In 2017 the WHO admitted that the Global polio epidemic in Afghanistan, Congo and the Philippines is primarily from the Gates polio vaccine program, but it took 17 years to admit.

In 2010 Gates trialed an experimental malaria vaccine killing 151 African children and causing serious adverse side effects like, paralysis, ferbrile convulsions and seizures in 1048 of the 5049 children tested.

During Gates 2002 MedAfrVac Program in Sub Saharan Africa forcibly vaccinated thousands of children against meningitis with hundreds paralysed. He was accused in South African newspapers of using their children as guinea pigs for drug makers and Nelson Mandela's former economist Patrick Bond described Gates Philanthropic practises as "immoral" and "ruthless".

In 2014 Kenyan's Catholic Doctors Association accused WHO of chemically sterilising millions of unwilling Kenyan women through a tetanus vaccine. Independent labs found the sterility chemical in every vaccine tested. After initially denying the charges WHO admitted they had used the chemical for 10 years in the vaccine.

The ex head of Pfizer respiratory research and German immunologist warn against infertility as being a complication of COVID vaccines. “There is no indication whether antibodies against spike proteins of SARS viruses would also act like anti-Syncytin-1 antibodies,” says the petition. “However, if this were to be the case this would then also prevent the formation of a placenta which would result in vaccinated women essentially becoming infertile.”

Pfizer and Astra Zenica have been involved in billions of dollars in vaccine lawsuits as has Bill Gates, but they are indemnified for the COVID vaccines, so they can rush their agenda's, pocket billions of dollars without adequate safely data.
 
BlueE said:
Nothing like the dulcet tones of the BBC to lull the population into a false sense of security. Do you have evidence of 20,000 test subjects over any months? I'd like to read it, because the BBC interview said the problem is that not only 20,000 or 30,000 is too little, but no safety results have been published for peer review so science by press release again and based on hundreds not thousands of results. The Phase 3 tests are supposed to be published late Nov, early Dec so have you seen them?

The Pfizer and Moderna are mRNA vaccines which have never been approved before, because of their poor safety record. The success % reported in media only involved success in producing antibodies. None of the studies were designed to see if the vaccinated, with some producing antibodies, were protected against CV 19 or if anyone could catch the virus from them when they were vaccinated.

Other immunity studies showed recovering from naturally getting CV 19, antibodies only lasted around 3 months. But the most important factor in immunity was memory T cells with 40-60% of the population having crossover immunity from SARS CoV1, 4 common cold corona viruses, OC43, HKU1, NL63 and 229E, and MERS. These memory T cells were found to be present 17 years after outbreak of SARS CoV 1 in 2003.

No animal trials were done in the Pfizer vaccine, reports on ferret, mice and primate trials that were done with vaccine trials in SARS CoV 1 which became worse with deaths and serious complications and no human trials of the vaccine were started. The formation of so-called “non-neutralizing antibodies” can lead to an exaggerated immune reaction, especially when the test person is confronted with the real, “wild” virus after vaccination, which is one of the problems experts are warning about with the current vaccines not being properly tested on animals and against CV 19 with the vaccinated group.

Astra Zeneca had primate animal trials that successfully produced antibodies in all 8, but then all of the primates became infected with CV 19 when exposed, even though they had these antibodies. Serious safety concerns stopped the Phase 3 trials, but they were resumed in England with paralysis and MS attributed to being possibly caused by the vaccine. There were 13 serious side effected reported out of 1500 Phase 1/2, 2/3 reported so far.

How many over 60s or 70s or 80s were included in the trials? All immunocompromised subjects were excluded. Why give to over 80s, 90s and clinically extremely vulnerable individuals, when none of these are in the test groups, unless they're just Guinea pigs like the examples given below? So these older people don't have to worry about becoming infertile but with a mRNA vaccine never safely developed there are many side effects, not just possible infertility!

if this was really about saving lives, giving safe and effective medicines would be used. There have been over 6000 case studies and RCT's from Raoult in France to Zelenski, Risch and Cardilo in America with HCQ +Zn + antibiotics curing 95% or more when used early. Invermectin + Zn + antibiotic promoted by Australian Professor Brody and recent study in Argentina in prophylaxis trial formally reported. Of 788 health care workers who took 12mg Ivermectin/week + carrageenan nasal spray 4 x/day -- ZERO caught covid over 3 months. ZERO! vs 58% of control HCWs infected.

BBC say side effects of previous vaccines like narcolepsy for H1N1, Guillane Barr from flu and deaths from polio were found within 6 weeks but those vaccines were continued for years before they were stopped because of the side effects.

The much too short duration of the study does not allow a realistic estimation of the late effects. As in the narcolepsy cases after the swine flu vaccination, which was linked to non coding RNA gene, millions of healthy people would be exposed to an unacceptable risk if an emergency approval were to be granted and the possibility of observing the late effects of the vaccination were to follow.

The mRNA vaccines from BioNTech/Pfizer contain polyethylene glycol (PEG). 70% of people develop antibodies against this substance – this means that many people can develop allergic, potentially fatal reactions to the vaccination.

Indian Dr's blame Bill Gates for his polio vaccine for causing a devastating vaccine strain polio epidemic that paralyzed 496,000 children between 2000 and 2017. In 2017 the WHO admitted that the Global polio epidemic in Afghanistan, Congo and the Philippines is primarily from the Gates polio vaccine program, but it took 17 years to admit.

In 2010 Gates trialed an experimental malaria vaccine killing 151 African children and causing serious adverse side effects like, paralysis, ferbrile convulsions and seizures in 1048 of the 5049 children tested.

During Gates 2002 MedAfrVac Program in Sub Saharan Africa forcibly vaccinated thousands of children against meningitis with hundreds paralysed. He was accused in South African newspapers of using their children as guinea pigs for drug makers and Nelson Mandela's former economist Patrick Bond described Gates Philanthropic practises as "immoral" and "ruthless".

In 2014 Kenyan's Catholic Doctors Association accused WHO of chemically sterilising millions of unwilling Kenyan women through a tetanus vaccine. Independent labs found the sterility chemical in every vaccine tested. After initially denying the charges WHO admitted they had used the chemical for 10 years in the vaccine.

The ex head of Pfizer respiratory research and German immunologist warn against infertility as being a complication of COVID vaccines. “There is no indication whether antibodies against spike proteins of SARS viruses would also act like anti-Syncytin-1 antibodies,” says the petition. “However, if this were to be the case this would then also prevent the formation of a placenta which would result in vaccinated women essentially becoming infertile.”

Pfizer and Astra Zenica have been involved in billions of dollars in vaccine lawsuits as has Bill Gates, but they are indemnified for the COVID vaccines, so they can rush their agenda's, pocket billions of dollars without adequate safely data.
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I really object to the idea why should it matter using granny and other over 80 or 90s in aged care as guinea pigs, because one of the possible side effects of possible infertility won't matter to them when safe and effective therapeutics that could have been used, have been suppressed.

Added to the above (HCQ, Invercetin, Zn) as preventatives for vulnerable elderly in care homes is Vit D, suggested by Dr Hodkinson (ex-president of the pathology Medical Association, ex-chairman of the Royal College of Physicians and Pathology in Ottawa, and current VP of a PCR test company in US), is the latest review of Vit D studies.
 
Chief said:
What the... ?

You think they are lying?
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Who knows, did they BBC say they had seen a peer reviewed or published study with 20,000 subjects? As far as I'm aware, the only mRNA studies reported, had a few hundred subjects. It's been science by press release with this untried vaccine and while the data of 20,000 to 30,000 subjects should have been out by now, where is it?

Astra Zenica published their primate studies, then Phase 1/2 in Lancet in July and Phase 2/3 in Lancet in November. They reported on approximately 1500 total in vaccine and control groups in both studies, and not sure if there's a crossover with subjects in Phase 2 reported twice and totals were less than that.

 
BlueE said:
Do you have evidence of 20,000 test subjects over any months?
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43,000+

Pfizer and BioNTech Conclude Phase 3 Study of COVID-19 Vaccine Candidate, Meeting All Primary Efficacy Endpoints | Pfizer

Primary efficacy analysis demonstrates BNT162b2 to be 95% effective against COVID-19 beginning 28 days after the first dose; 170 confirmed cases of COVID-19 were evaluated, with 162 observed in the placebo group versus 8 in the vaccine group Efficacy was consistent across age, gender, race and...
www.pfizer.com www.pfizer.com
  • Data demonstrate vaccine was well tolerated across all populations with over 43,000 participants enrolled; no serious safety concerns observed; the only Grade 3 adverse event greater than 2% in frequency was fatigue at 3.8% and headache at 2.0%
 
Chief said:
43,000+

Pfizer and BioNTech Conclude Phase 3 Study of COVID-19 Vaccine Candidate, Meeting All Primary Efficacy Endpoints | Pfizer

Primary efficacy analysis demonstrates BNT162b2 to be 95% effective against COVID-19 beginning 28 days after the first dose; 170 confirmed cases of COVID-19 were evaluated, with 162 observed in the placebo group versus 8 in the vaccine group Efficacy was consistent across age, gender, race and...
www.pfizer.com www.pfizer.com
  • Data demonstrate vaccine was well tolerated across all populations with over 43,000 participants enrolled; no serious safety concerns observed; the only Grade 3 adverse event greater than 2% in frequency was fatigue at 3.8% and headache at 2.0%
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From the above Pfizer press release, the only data mentioned for the pre specified endpoints forming the basis of Pfizer’s and Moderna’s preliminary conclusions about effectiveness, is the difference in COVID-19 symptoms between a tiny subset of 170 or fewer trial participants in the vaccinated and control groups.

Associate Editor Dr. Peter Doshi, who is also a University of Maryland professor, wrote in the BMJ, “None of the trials currently under way are designed to detect a reduction in any serious outcome such as hospital admissions, use of intensive care, or deaths.”

There is controversy with the placebo group's positive cases and pathologist Dr. Sin Hang Lee petitioned the FDA to halt Pfizer Emergency Use Authorization until vaccine efficacy confirmed because The Pfizer/BioNTech vaccine trial primarily uses an RT-qPCR test that employs cycle thresholds possibly up to 44.9 to identify COVID-19 “cases.”. Fauci confirmed cycle threshold should be between 30 and 35 and above this level will give pick up any virus and give a positive COVID test but not a positive COVID case.

There is a strong possibility of generating high rates of false-positive results among qualified trial participants from the placebo group with minor symptoms such as a sore throat or a new cough. This is especially evident when a de facto unblinding among the trial participants has taken place, according to the petition.
https://childrenshealthdefense.org/defender/fda-petition-halt-pfizer-vaccine-efficacy/

They did report 10 serious cases in the placebo group and 1 in the vaccine group but have not specified whether their placebo was the meningococcal vaccine used in Astra Zenica's trials.

43,000 may have been enrolled but they are not and have not reported anywhere on that number. The Pfizer press release reports a review of unblinded reactogenicity data from the final analysis which consisted of a randomized subset of at least 8,000 participants 18 years and older in the phase 2/3 to base their safety data on, but even today Israel news are reporting 6 deaths in the Pfizer study. Again science by press release!

Pfizer say themselves that it will take two years to report on. The data has not been published, Switzerland has refused permission because they don't have the data, Australia haven't seen the data, there is a detailed petition to stop the European Medicine Agency to stop testing, until they have seen the data to answer important questions from ex Pfizer VP and Fauci laughed and said FDA hadn't seen the data (although FDA are looking at giving emergency permission on Thursday).

Pfizer warns this press release contains forward-looking information about Pfizer’s efforts to combat COVID-19 that involves substantial risks and uncertainties that could cause actual results to differ materially from those expressed or implied by such statements, including the ability to meet anticipated clinical endpoints, commencement and/or completion dates for clinical trials, as well as risks associated with clinical data (including the Phase 3 data that is the subject of this release), including the rate of vaccine effectiveness and safety and tolerability profile observed to date, the risk that clinical trial data are subject to differing interpretations and assessments, including during the peer review/publication process, in the scientific community generally, and by regulatory authorities; whether and when data from the BNT162 mRNA vaccine program will be published in scientific journal publications etc.
 

FDA Announces Deaths of Two Pfizer Vaccine Trial Participants as it Prepares to Issue Fast-track Authorization - Medical Kidnap

The FDA released a 53-page "briefing document" for the experimental Pfizer COVID vaccine today in preparation for its December 10, 2020 meeting to discuss giving emergency use authorization (EUA) for the vaccine to Pfizer, the world's largest pharmaceutical criminal organization. As is to be...
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Actually 6 deaths, with 4 of them in the placebo group. Interesting that this article also asks the question which has never been reported or published to my knowledge, that I asked previously. So, what placebo did Pfizer use to try and make it look like their vaccine was “safe?”

'In the AstraZeneca and Oxford University COVID vaccine trials, for example, when one of the participants from the “placebo group” died, it was revealed that the people in the placebo group were getting the meningitis vaccine, a vaccine that has had its own safety issues over the years with serious side effects.

Therefore, for the AstraZeneca COVID vaccine to appear “safe” it simply has to show that less people are injured or killed than the meningitis vaccine.'

Of course, the FDA report claimed that the deaths had nothing to do with the vaccine, while offering no details or evidence to back up this claim. They make mention that one of the vaccine candidates was immunocompromised but Doshi in BMJ correctly states children, adolescents, and immunocompromised individuals were excluded from the trials.

Other countries including a report in the Jerusalem Post, noticed the fact that people died during the Pfizer COVID vaccine trials, a detail completely left out of the U.S. press releases.
 

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The City Boyz said:
Agreed, but only 1% of those vaccinated in the trials who contacted the disease had it spread to their lungs or anywhere serious enough to be requiring of medical assistance - with a vaccine the efficacy of Pfizer's the social gathering risk goes out the window tbh (particularly with Oxford expecting higher results than Pfizer, who've since updated their's to 95%)
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So much this. Yes, it would be nice to have more data, but there's enough data out there (and more is coming our way every day) to show that at least two of the vaccines in development can nix this thing. However, they'll only work if, like other vaccines, enough people get it to trigger herd immunity and protect those who can't take it.

But why think about this logically when we can look up what someone said on Facebook (who heard it down the pub from a mate who once read an old book by a conspiracy theorist) and determine that several months of determined study and experiments by medical experts means less than said Facebook post?
 
General Giant said:
Did the voices in your head tell you that or was it Q.
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I posted an interview where a highly educated expert, who has no vested interest, makes a compelling argument against the need for a Covid-19 vaccine. It's an interesting interview & makes perfect sense.

Your remarks make it clear to me that you're not genuine.
 
carnaroys08 said:
I posted an interview where a highly educated expert, who has no vested interest, makes a compelling argument against the need for a Covid-19 vaccine. It's an interesting interview & makes perfect sense.

Your remarks make it clear to me that you're not genuine.
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I'm pro vax but let's get real......

- we know the vaccines do not prevent one from getting covid, rather they negate the symptoms
- people vaccinated but with covid, will think it is just a sniffle and carry on life spreading the disease
- we know without vaccination 80% of us will achieve what the vaccination delivers for 90% being mild to nil symptoms
- we know 2.5m Australians will still be at risk. Assume a 1% death rate, that's 25,000 deaths.

- we also know SARS just disappeared like other corona viruses 18-36 months.

- so an argument can be made by ordinary healthy people under 65 not to vax given this has been rushed
 
General Giant said:
A mathematician.
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Wrong & I reckon you know you're wrong. I believe you're just pretending to be asleep.

Power Raid said:
I'm pro vax but let's get real......

- we know the vaccines do not prevent one from getting covid, rather they negate the symptoms
- people vaccinated but with covid, will think it is just a sniffle and carry on life spreading the disease
- we know without vaccination 80% of us will achieve what the vaccination delivers for 90% being mild to nil symptoms
- we know 2.5m Australians will still be at risk. Assume a 1% death rate, that's 25,000 deaths.

- we also know SARS just disappeared like other corona viruses 18-36 months.

- so an argument can be made by ordinary healthy people under 65 not to vax given this has been rushed
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You make very good points. FWIW, I'm normally pro vax however I won't be taking the Covid vax. If that means no attending games then so be it.
 
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