It's time! or is it?

[Righteo]

Pav has been suspended for being clumsy, Fyfe still lashes out like a petulant child.

I can't really understand why so many want to ruin him by rushing him into this position too early.

I think 2 incidents in 2 years isn't really enough to start suggesting he's some kind of wild man.

Why do you think it would ruin him Reg?

 

[Nickos66]

Reg will argue that it's actually 3 suspensions and it's unacceptable from a potential captains perspective.

 

[Reginald Perrin]

I think 2 incidents in 2 years isn't really enough to start suggesting he's some kind of wild man.

Reg will argue that it's actually 3 suspensions and it's unacceptable from a potential captains perspective.

It's not just the incidents he's been suspended for. He's got away with a few as well. He's never going to be a wild man, he's just ill-disciplined when he gets frustrated and needs to get on top of that.

Why do you think it would ruin him Reg?

Thrusting somebody into a leadership role when they're not ready is a recipe for disaster. He's only just turned 23 and he's not exactly ahead of the curve in the maturity stakes.

 

[Bulldocker]

I have always actually been sometimes critical of Pav as captain for one reason only - there have been opportunities for him to iron out an opposition player (fairly) and he's chosen not to. But for every other reason, he should maintain the captaincy as long as he crosses the white line for us. Champion player, loyal and a fine role model off the field as well.
Plenty of time for Fyfe or others of the new chapter to take the mantle. Until then Pav should stay 'til he retires. Just wouldn't seem right to see him out there unless he's our nominated leader.

I reckon the mods should lock this thread right now.

 

[Silent Alarm]

I have always actually been sometimes critical of Pav as captain for one reason only - there have been opportunities for him to iron out an opposition player (fairly) and he's chosen not to. But for every other reason, he should maintain the captaincy as long as he crosses the white line for us. Champion player, loyal and a fine role model off the field as well.
Plenty of time for Fyfe or others of the new chapter to take the mantle. Until then Pav should stay 'til he retires. Just wouldn't seem right to see him out there unless he's our nominated leader.

I reckon the mods should lock this thread right now.

Are you implying Pav is soft?

There's about 16, 17 blokes softer than him in the team. He's an all round champ. Hard enough.

 

[clogged]

Pav has been suspended for being clumsy, Fyfe still lashes out like a petulant child.

So does Hodge.

He has absolute killer instinct, which puts him above everyone other than Pavlich.

 

[Mockcockpit]

Walters has to be in the leadership group this season.His work ethic is unquestioned
He was encouraging Moller this morning when Moller was struggling in the shuttle runs.
It showed his commitment to the team and the ethics associated with being a leader
He will give Fyfe a run for the role of future captain

Absolutely agree. If he's not in the leadership group next year then that already nebulous concept will become completely devoid of meaning.

 

[Sully90]

Pav copped the same amount of attention from defenders as Fyfe has from taggers at the same age, and IMO Pav dealt with it better. Fyfe, while not a dirty player, has shown that he can be provoked.

I think the whole captain apprenticeship ides for 2015 is the perfect option, with him taking over in 2016 or 2017. The fact that he seems so eager for the task says alot about him though which is great for the club and Fyfe both.

 

[Clems Knee]

On the news tonight, the coach of the Eagles was interviewed regarding who would be their next captain.
He stated that the captain would be decided by the board and the executive, not the players.
Fremantle's leadership group is player elected, not coach or board selected.
I know which one I prefer.
And I'll accept whoever the players select, and not chuck a tantie.

 

[Bulldocker]

Are you implying Pav is soft?

There's about 16, 17 blokes softer than him in the team. He's an all round champ. Hard enough.

Nah, soft is not the right description. More like "just too decent". Never seen him pull out of a contest, just thought there have been times he could've done more damage when he got there. That knock was not aimed at him as a "fear" thing. More the fact that I would've always liked him to have a bit more mongrel in him. That's a personal view only and we still always play better with him leading the team. No doubt.

 

[jmadrox]

Nah, soft is not the right description. More like "just too decent". Never seen him pull out of a contest, just thought there have been times he could've done more damage when he got there. That knock was not aimed at him as a "fear" thing. More the fact that I would've always liked him to have a bit more mongrel in him. That's a personal view only and we still always play better with him leading the team. No doubt.

Thats how i read it. He is so motivational and inspirational, and always does the right thing. He is very clean. He will get in a scuffle to defend younger guys etc, but I cant remeber him every laying someone out with a bump Ala Fyfe / McPhee / Sandi etc.

The consummate professional. It has its positives and its negatives.

Fyfe IS a bit reckless still. I remember the last Hawks game at Subi when he was getting involved off the ball. I remember getting angry at him for stupid shit. He SHOULD be captain eventually. Is he ready yet. We shall see. He can lift the team off his own back. He puts his body on the line again and again. He doesn't take a backwards step.

 

[Unique Name]

Loved it in the rnd23 game against Port when Grey(?) did the late tackle on Mayne. Pav just ran through him.

Would love to know what he said to him when he stood over him.

 

[Fred Ziffel]

Nat will need to get his hair cut first.
It is bloody awful.

 

[Palmervich]

Wouldn't mind Pav to relinquish the captaincy, take all the pressure off the great man to enjoy his last year or two, think it would help his game. Whether Fyfe is ready just yet is another matter. I think Mundy as the "interim captain" would work well, and could see him lifting his game even higher under the captaincy. Those saying he is not consistent enough, surely taking the piss.

 

[Arcassius]

Nat will need to get his hair cut first.
It is bloody awful.

No way - he needs to grow a raging beard and look like a wild crazy hobo

 

[Fred Ziffel]

No way - he needs to grow a raging beard and look like a wild crazy hobo

He is halfway there already.

 

[Arcassius]

He is halfway there already.

This is what he should aim for -

 

[apuchar]

He lost his cool once in a while too.

 

[Unique Name]

Those saying he is not consistent enough, surely taking the piss.

Even Mundy said his 'consistency' was an issue.

He had quite a few games where he would drift in and out, dominating one quarter only to go missing the next. 2014 was definitely a down year for Mundy. However I wouldn't be opposed to him being captain if that's what the players want.

 

[Schauermann]

Pav should retain the captaincy until he decides it's time for him to either retire or pass it on to another player. If he gets to the stage where he is struggling to impact games owing to loss of form then the club should be willing to suggest to him a change of captain may be the best move for the club. However I doubt the club would make that call unless the situation was dire as he has been so loyal to the club. If Pav starts 2015 and/or 2016 as Captain he will see the whole year out unless he has a major injury regardless of his form i.e. no change of Captain once the season begins.

I like the fact that Fyfe has the confidence to state he is willing to take on the captaincy and he wants the job at some future time. Not a cocky statement but a pretty down to earth sentiment that can only be good for him and the club. His statement gives him a goal to work towards in as much as he now has to show by his actions on and off the field that he is the next leader of the Dockers. There is little doubt in my mind he has fulfilled almost every criteria that would make him a suitable captain post Pav. Expect a more disciplined Nat Fyfe in 2015 as he works to show he can deal with frustrations he feels at times.

Fyfe's ambition to lead the Dockers is the best news the club will ever get. The best player in the team wants to be captain, he is young and regarded by all as a gun and he has got the runs on the board as far as recognition from his peers, the coaches of the other 17 sides and the umpires as a game winner. He would make a worthy captain and as such it would be near on impossible to pry him away from Freo when he becomes a free agent further down the road. 2017 would be the perfect time to elevate him to the job but if required he could do it well in 2016.

This for me as well.

But like Walters as well. Just wait and see. Think there are quite a view things to a captaincy most spectators never see.

 

[ozzie69]

I remember Damien Martin being in the position of Captain for the WA cricket team when he wasn't quite ready. Under the pressure of captaincy he went from being a young prodigy to meh overnight. Co-captain with Pav for a year, anyone?

 

[Clems Knee]

I think anyone taking on the captaincy should have experience in the leadership group first. Hopefully Fyfe gets in that group for the 2015 season, and takes over one or two years after that.
The current leadership group is Pavlich, Ballantyne, McPharlin, Sandilands, Mundy and DeBoer, I think. Mayne has previously been in the group.
I would expect Pavlich to keep the captaincy next year, but for the leadership group to change, Fyfe and Walters would be worthy inclusions.
But it's down to the players. Lyon mentioned that Fremantle are bringing in Leading Teams to be involved in the process.

 

[jusjoshin]

I'd like Mundy to get the captaincy gig for a few years. I don't think you need to be the best player in a team to get the captaincy (although at his best he is close to it). Some players thrive with the added responsibility. When Mundy has had added responsibilities he has excelled. He has the experience in the leadership group, he plays midfield so he's never too far from the action, he is responsible and well spoken.

 

[estibador]

I remember Damien Martin being in the position of Captain for the WA cricket team when he wasn't quite ready. Under the pressure of captaincy he went from being a young prodigy to meh overnight.

I don't think cricket captaincy is really analogous to other sports. Cricket captains are closer to a coach or manager come gameday - calling all the shots with tactics, player positioning, etc. It's a lot more to handle.

 

[clogged]

Those saying he is not consistent enough, surely taking the piss.

Nope. He was dreadfully mediocre this year.

I want the captain to be a player who demonstrates absolute will to win.